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Claims of MI6/CIA/Triad/Illegal Drug Trade link to Clarement Serial Killings


There is  an ongoing investigation into claims that  their is a MI6/CIA/MossadTriad and Illegal Drug Trade link to the Claremont Serial Killings and other abductions and murders in Western Australia from the 1970's onwards ...
Part of the ongoing investigation is looking into the links that  Mark Dixie and the former Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough had with MI6/CIA/MossadTriad and Illegal Drug Trade .... information has come forward that Mark Dixie and was working with  MI6/CIA/Mossad/Triad and Illegal Drug Trade and was protected in Australia by ASIO and the Australian federal Police .. as a favour for MI6/CIAMossad ..... who work closing with ASIO ( Australian Security Intelligence Organisation) ...
Part of the investigation indicates that there was many levels and reasons for the Claremont Serial Killings and other abductions and murders in Western Australia from the 1970's onwards ... being allowed to be carried out and organised by people people who were given the effective "Green Light" to commit what every crimes that they were either instructed to carry out or did not as part of their criminal personal make up ..... in the end these type of criminal undercover operatives have to either take their own life, be murdered and/or locked given a long prison sentence after they have passed their used by date ..... sometimes they are told to commit suicide .... and they have no choice but to carry such these orders ... and sometimes they are murdered in or out of prison ... and sometimes even though they are given a long prison sentence  .... the general public do not know what happens to them after their are put in jail ... they are often let out the back door and given a complete new identity ... and sometimes they are transferred to a comfortable room in a mental institution .. where they are seen tom be treated and could be eventually released under such treatment under complete new identity...

Richard Branson, Rupert Murdoch, Bill Gates, Kerry And James Packer, Len Buckeridge, and all the other Billionaires are in effect MI6/CIA Stooges .



The Late Len Buckeridge  who was a billionaire Building magnate with the approval of  MI6/CIAMossad/Triad sleint partners in the BGC Group of companies,
who since his death in March 2014, are now in full control of the powerful Multi Billion Dollar BGC Companies


Tom Hurd is the British Government Director General, the Office of Security and Counter Terrorism stated that ...

".. nobody becomes a billionaire without us... (British Intelligence) ..."...

Richard Branson is a secret British Medieval Hell Cult MK Ultra Handler ..

Richard Branson and his mother (who is in British Military Intelligence) sold his soul to the devil early   ..
Richard Branson (Virgin Records) controlled and handled Sid Vicious and his band the Sex Pistols .. and their song "God Save The Queen "
By 1979 Sid Vicious was dead..
Richard Branson was allowed to purchase his Nector Island for a bargain of £180,000 pounds when at the time was worth over £5 million pounds .. on the condition that he front for a private resort to be built on Nectar Island in the British Virgin islands.. where British Freemason MI6 Arch Royal Games are played which involves completely immoral sick and sometimes violence etc. as part of the Arch Royal Games. . which become all part of the initiation ceremonies to reach the level of Royal Arch Freemason ...
Many successful actors such as Brad Pitt and Clooney are senior Freemason Brothers and also MK Ultra Handlers who help control lower level MK Ultra Mind and Sex Slaves and Assassins whose minds have many various layers and many Departments created in them which can be opened to up and accessed by various signals with the help of their MK Ultra Mind Handlers..
Brad Pitt stated. 
" ... we in the Brotherhood have no morals .. and we are happy about that"...

https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/category/mk-delta/







Former Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough confesses to three murders before death and suspect in the abduction and/or murders of Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon

 

Mark Dixie has left a world-wide trail of shattered lives - and several possible murder victims.




There have been claims of MI6/CIA with Trial connection for help ... using the Claremont Serial Killings and other abductions and murders in Western Australia from the 1970's onwards ... as part of a social experience to see whole a small city like Perth would react to such violent crimes that seem to be unsolvable continually happening in a luxury rich trendy suburb of Perth, where no serious crimes rarely happens .. right in front of the noses of a major police investigation in  Claremont ... after Sarah Spiers completely disappeared on January 1996.  

Insiders have spoken over the years to the investigators monitoring the development of Perth and Western Australia since the 1960's and they have been told from reliable sources that

 MI6/CIA/ASIO/Mossad because the city of Perth is one of the most isolated cities in the world ... it has been since the 1960's used to experiment various response and control techniques over a city's population by using various experiments on the population ... and then monitor the populations response ...

Thus the investigators have been told that the Claremont Serial Abductions and Murders and other abductions and murders in Perth, Western Australia have been part of these various experiments organised by the security agencies such as MI6/CIA/Mossad .... to see how the population reacts .... and responds .... there other purposes as well ...... and they need psychopathic criminally minded people such as Mark Dixie, Richard Dorrough, 

Donald Morey, aka Matusevich .... to help them carry out such criminal acts as part of their social experiments  on a population ..... such as the city of Perth  .. the capital city of Western Australia ... and have to give these career criminals and others that help in theses most horrendous violent crimes the "Green Light" from serious criminal investigation and arrest .... but sometime they have to be arrested for some of their crimes .... because they get out of hand .... and have to be controlled in some way ....  but they never do  it hard in a prison or a mental institution were they end up for a while ... however ..... sometimes it is necessary to have them murdered and make it look like they have committed suicide ...

Another example of this is the death of Simon Rochford .. who it has been alleged committed suicide after publicly been named the major suspect in the murder of Pamela Lawrence ...after Andrew Mallard was cleared ... there are serious allegations and reasons why it may well have been that Simon Rochford was murdered in Albany Prison ... and did not commit suicide ... at the very least based on the evidence that came forward at the inquest into Simon Rochfords death  in Albany Prison .... the police officers that was meant to be monitoring Simon Rochford 24 hours a day ... with a listening advice ..... seemed to allow Simon Rochford to sharpen a sharp instruments which could be used to kill himself or someone else ... or used by someone else to murder Simon Rochford ..... and make it look like a suicide .... it was quite unbelievable that Simon Rochford was not in a more modern prison nearer Perth, which had 24 hour a day video serveylence in the cell so that he was on a 24 hour a day suicide watch ..... in particular in the light of Simon Rochford being suddenly publicly named as the major suspect in the murder of Pamela Lawrence on the  23 May 1994 ... it seems very likely that Simon Rochford knew too much about other powerful people involved in one form or another in the arranging of the murder of Pamela Lawrence .... and Simon Rochford had to be quickly silenced in case to started talking ... and exposing powerful well connected people that for one reason or another wanted Pamela Lawrence murdered ... maybe Pamela Lawrence knew too much .... and for that reason also had to be silenced .... and it wwas important that someone like Andrew Mallard was quickly set up and framed and charged for the murder of Pamela Lawrence .. to make the murder investigation did not lead down the wrong rabbit hole .. that let to well connected and powerful people .... even if at a later date ...as it turned out .... Andrew Mallard was finally cleared 12 odd years later ... and millions were paid out in compensation to Andrew  Mallard ... it would all be too late and too much time past to seriously investigate any other people to be involved in the organising or carrying out the murder of Pamela Lawrence ... and the $3.25 million compensation payout to Andrew Mallard. was paid by the State of Western Australia .. and did not come out of any of the pockets of anyone  involved in the organising or carrying out the murder of Pamela Lawrence ...  and in fact Andrew Mallard, even though wrongly convicted for a murder he did not commit ... and wrongly spent 12 years in prison .... for his wrongful murder conviction ... the way Andrew Mallard's life was going and heading at the time of his wrongful arrest for the murder of Pamela Lawrence .... Andrew Mallard was a self confessed con man and scam artist and a petty thief .. who was destined to spend many years in and out of police lockups, prisons and mental institutions .... for his continual conning, scamming and petty theft offences ..... and would been classed as a low life by society .. even though such a description would be fair ... because it seems that Andrew Mallard's criminal behaviour was because he was mentally unwell .... at the age Andrew Mallard was released from prison .... he he would likely still be on the social security and living from week to week .... yet now Andrew mallard has become a well respected multi-millonaire who has gone back to the United Kingdom, his country of birth .. with $3.25 million dollars  in his pocket and able to live the high life in London.. where is was previously living on scamming and conning people fr food and accommodation to survive each day .... goo luck to Andrew mallard he did seem to deserve a break as he never seemed to be a bad person ... just mixed up and not mentally well ...

Pamela Lawrence was brutally murdered in her shop premises, Flora Metallica, at Mosman Park on 23 May 1994. Following a police investigation, Andrew Mark Mallard was charged with her murder on 17 July that year. He was subsequently convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment. Ultimately, in 2006, an appeal to the High Court of Australia on the grounds of nondisclosure to the defence of relevant material was successful and a new trial was ordered, but because of changes to the law relating to the admissibility of interviews which had not been video-recorded, the Director of Public Prosecutions decided not to proceed with the new trial and Mr Mallard was released from prison, after serving almost 12 years.

Further investigations then undertaken showed that Mr Mallard had not killed Mrs Lawrence, but that her likely killer was one Simon Rochford, then serving a sentence for the murder of his girlfriend, Brigitta Dickens. The morning after he was named in the media as a new suspect in the Pamela Lawrence homicide, Simon Rochford was found dead in his cell from wounds apparently self inflicted. His death is currently being investigated by the Coroner.




 
Donald Morey, aka Matusevich


A serious question that needs to be answered by Karl O'Callaghan, the Western Australian Commissioner of Police is:
Why did it take over a week for the Western Australian Police for come and collect a bag belonging to career criminal and convicted attempted murderer Donald Morey which the two owners of the house in Marangaroo, Mr and Mrs Gareth Allen who were the bosses of Donald Morey say contained a real of silver, gaffer tape, two knives and explicit pornographic material of what looked like dead women in sexual positions...
which is similar to the items that Western Australia Police officer  Con Bayers, who was the former head of the prostitution task-force said he found in Donald Morey's Commodore Holden car boot driving through Northbridge, Perth, Western Australia, that looked liked and unmarked police car 

 Sarah Anne McMahon

Name: Sarah Anne McMAHON, Age when missing: 20 years, Eyes: Green, Hair: Auburn, Height: 173cms, Build: Slim
Circumstances: Sarah McMahon has not attended work since Wednesday 8 November 2000. Sarah was last seen driving her vehicle, a 1986 White Ford Meteor Sedan, registered  number 7FO-731 in an easterly direction on Great Eastern Highway, Greenmount. 
Sarah Anne McMahon  was last seen wearing dark jeans, black turtle neck sweater and black suede jacket. Concern is held for her safety and welfare.
Fears for the safety of a 20-year-old woman missing for 13 days 
have increased following the discovery of the woman's car at a hospital carpark. 
Sarah McMahon was last seen leaving her workplace in suburban Claremont on November 8, although there have been a number of unconfirmed sightings of her since then. She has made no contact with her family. Ms McMahon's white Ford Meteor sedan was found last night in the emergency department car park of Swan District Hospital.  Police today refused to say who discovered the vehicle or whether anything of significance 
had been found inside.


Sarah McMahon was 20 when she disappeared after leaving work in the Perth suburb of Claremont on Wednesday, November 8, 2000. She lived with her parents Danny and Trish and younger sister Kate. Ten days later, her white Ford Meteor sedan was found in the car park of Swan Districts Hospital. A bag containing personal items was on the front seat, her empty wallet was in the boot and her mobile phone was on the ground nearby. Her mum Trish tells her story ... 
"We haven't seen or heard from Sarah since November 8, 2000, when she left for work in the morning. Apparently she received a call at work from a friend who was "suicidal" and intended to visit the mysterious caller. The police believe she's been murdered and we have all tried to accept this as a possibility, but in our hearts we know she is out there somewhere. At the time of Sarah's disappearance she was depressed ... a romance had soured, university had lost its appeal and she had a mobile phone bill for $800 she hadn't mentioned to us. Sarah felt as though she was in rough waters being tossed this way and that, and she had mentioned to a family friend that she wished she could just "go away and start again". We thought a visit to her older brother Paul and his family, who live near Melbourne, might break the cycle, but unfortunately that wasn't so. I visited Melbourne and Sydney putting up posters, giving out photos and talking to anyone who was willing to listen. Two years ago, a couple who had taken a photograph of Sarah rang to say they had distributed it at a youth seminar. The father of one of the children worked in security at Newcastle nightclubs, and he came across a young man who recognised her and confirmed her name when shown the photograph. But that was it. There have been no further sightings or news. We, Sarah's family, believe with all our hearts that our darling daughter, sister and granddaughter is out there. We will never believe otherwise. We love you, Sarah, please let us know you're all right. May the sun shine warm on your face, and until we meet again may God hold you in the palm of His hand." 
If you have any information, call Crimestoppers on 1800 333 000.






 "... It seems to me that the Macro Taskforce was a situation where the cops really mucked up and now we've got a cover-up.
And that's the saddest part, that they've never just sort of said,
"Oh, we made a mistake.".. CON BAYENS ... retired Western Australian Police Officer former head of a WA prostitution taskforce, says he could have met the Claremont killer...

Claremont Serial Killings

ttps://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-7

quickstraw Club Legend

ClokesShankedIt said: 

All good points. I compare this to the Mr Cruel case in Melbourne where the police supposedly "know" who did it and are watching him .... yet don't arrest him ... reeks of bullshit.

It seems likely WA Police have made some glaring mistakes on this case and have not been honest about it to cover their own arses.

Very experienced Major Crime Investigator Paul Ferguson was be moved off the Macro Taskforce, when the INL News and AWN News Group sent information to Paul Ferguson that pointed the finger at Western Australia Police and billionaire building magnate, the late Len Buckeridge being involved in the Claremont Serial Abductions and Murders and other abductions and murders of women in Western Australia ...
... witnesses have since come forward verifying that Western Australia Police and billionaire building magnate, the late Len Buckeridge being involved in the Claremont Serial Abductions and Murders and other abductions and murders of women in Western Australia .... the witnesses have stated that the reason why Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon felt safe getting to the car that led to their abductions .. because it was an unmarked police car and a  person showing a police ID, along with a female in the car that made them confidence to get into the car ..... in fact it was very experienced Top Major Crime Investigator Paul Ferguson .. that made the public statement that he believed that is could well be a person who was a police officer, a taxi driver and/or a security person ... or someone purporting to be either ... that gave the confidence to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon to feel safe getting to the car that led to their abductions ... and in the case of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon their violent murder .... with no public information being available about the whereabouts of Sarah Spiers .. with the hope of her family and the general public ..... that Sarah Spiers is still alive .... even though .. for what ever reason .. can not contact her family and friends ... however after all this time  .. naturally there is fears of the worst has happened to Sarah Spiers ...


"... Paul Ferguson is a good top investigator, um, been in the criminal investigation branch for years, obviously a highly trained investigator and all of a sudden, he's been thrown out..."
... CON BAYENS ... retired Western Australian Police Officer former head of a WA prostitution taskforce, says he could have met the Claremont killer







STEVE PENNELLS_ Chanell 7 Journalist:
Con Bayens is another retired cop. And he's speaking out for the first time.
He'll take us back to a chilling incident that for him says everything about the secretive, dysfunctional operation of Macro.

STEVE PENNELLS: Very soon, Paul Ferguson would be moved off the Macro Taskforce.

CON BAYENS: Like, he's a good top investigator, um, been in the criminal investigation branch for years, obviously a highly trained investigator and all of a sudden, he's been thrown out. What can you make of that? Once again, you can only speculate. Because in the absence of any explanation, that's all the officers are left with.

STEVE PENNELLS: What did you speculate?

CON BAYENS: He'd rubbed somebody the wrong way and they wanted him out of the show.

STEVE PENNELLS: He was shafted?

 

CON BAYENS: Yeah. Yeah. And rather undiplomatically as well.

What happened next ?

 

STEVE PENNELLS: "...A rising star named David John Caporn took the helm at Macro.
 David John Caporn had made a name for himself cracking a high-profile murder case..."

JOHN QUIGLEY: "...The police force regard Caporn at that stage as the gun investigator who had in very quick time solved the Pamela Lawrence murder by arresting Andrew Mallard.
Just a mere technicality that he arrested the wrong bloke and got him stitched up for a life term.
That was just a mere technicality. But apart from that, he was, in the eyes of the police department, their top investigator.
 It's just tragic..."

Further AWN News Group Comment:


In fact Det Sgt David John Caporn, along with Det Sgt Malcolm William Shervill, who were senior in the Pamela Lawrence murder investigation were quickly promoted to Assistant Commissioners of Police by the Freemason bother Red Lodge Freemason, Western Australian Police Commissioner, Dr Karl Joseph O'Callaghan .... and I well informed Western Australian Police insider sources have stated that the now Assistant Western Australian Commissioner David John Caporn was being groomed by his Freemason Brothers in the Western Australian Police Force and  the Western Australian Government .... to be the next Western Australian Police Commissioner, to be appointed to take over from Dr Karl Joseph O'Callaghan ..... however as is always the  case .... for Assistant Western Australian Commissioner David John Caporn to be allowed by his Freemason Brothers to be appointed the Western Australian Police Commissioner .... Assistant Western Australian Commissioner David John Caporn has be move up in the Freemason ladder from being a member of a Freemason Blue Lodge .... to be a member of a Freemason Red Lodge ... which as in confirmed by other Freemason Red Lodge Brothers ... involved certain serious obligations which involve satanic rituals and practices ....
However ..... when Andrew Mallard's family in 1998 managed to obtain the interest of  enlisted the help of investigative journalist Colleen Egan, who in turn managed to get John Quigley MLA and Malcolm McCusker QC involved. All were appalled at the manner in which Mallard's trial had been conducted and eventually came to be convinced that he was innocent. Based on fresh evidence uncovered by this team, including a raft of police reports that, against standard practice, had never been passed to the defence team, the case was returned to the Court of Criminal Appeal in June 2003. Despite the fresh evidence and an uncontested claim that the DPP had deliberately concealed evidence from the defence, the Court of Criminal Appeal again dismissed the appeal.

However, in October 2004, Mallard's legal team was granted special leave to appeal to the High Court of Australia and on 6 and 7 September 2005, Mallard's appeal was heard in the High Court and the Justices subsequently judged unanimously that his conviction be quashed and a re-trial be ordered. During the hearing, Justice Michael Kirby was reported to have said that on one of the pieces of evidence alone—a forensic report not disclosed to the defence, showing that Mallard's theory about the weapon used in the murder could not have been true—a re-trial should have been ordered.

The DPP did not immediately drop charges against Mallard but did so six months later immediately before a directions hearing was due. After almost twelve years in prison, Mallard was released on 20 February 2006. However, in announcing that the trial would not proceed the DPP stated:

Then the Western Australian Corruption and Crime Commission on the 7th of October, 2008 published a
REPORT ON THE INQUIRY INTO ALLEGED MISCONDUCT BY PUBLIC OFFICERS IN CONNECTION WITH THE INVESTIGATION OF THE MURDER OF MRS PAMELA LAWRENCE, THE PROSECUTION AND APPEALS OF MR ANDREW MARK MALLARD, AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS

CORRUPTION AND CRIME COMMISSION

http://netk.net.au/Mallard/CCCReport.pdf

REPORT ON THE INQUIRY INTO ALLEGED MISCONDUCT BY PUBLIC OFFICERS IN CONNECTION WITH THE INVESTIGATION OF THE MURDER OF MRS PAMELA LAWRENCE, THE PROSECUTION AND APPEALS OF MR ANDREW MARK MALLARD, AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS ... with the CCC's finding including damming conclusions on serious 'misconduct' under 'the Corruption and Crime Commission Act 2003', made against the Western Australian Police Officers ...  Assistant Police Commissioners David John Caporn and  Malcolm William Shervill, and the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Kenneth Bates who were involved in the Pamela Lawrence Murder Investigation and charging and prosecution of Andrew Mallard for the alleged murder of Pamela Lawrence ... which after they present misleading information and facts and withheld material information and facts from the defence and the jury ...at the trial of Andrew Mallard which ended up with Andrew Mallard being wrongly found guilty of the murder of Pamela Lawrence .... as now confirmed by the High Court of Australia ... the Western Australian Corruption and Crime Commission and the Western Australian Police .....
However, it  appears, other than criminal charges of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice being paid by the Western Australian Police Service, against former Assistant Police Commissioners David John Caporn and  Malcolm William Shervill, and the former Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Kenneth Bates (who are all well repsected high level Freemasons) which would never happen because they are fully protected by the Freemason controlled Police ... and Western Australian Gocvernment .... which is also behind the scenes controlled by the large funding and influence from the ASIO/CIA/MI6/Mossad/USA/UK given through various CIA fronts to both the Liberal Party and the Labor Party and the Unions ... which all started in in a well organised way, with  the ASIO/CIA/MI6/Mossad/USA/UK involvement in the 1970's with the sacking on Gough Whitlam as Prime Minister of Australia .. who was replaced by the ASIO/CIA/MI6/Mossad/USA/UK appoved Malcom Fraser as the new prime minister of Australia ....

.... it seems fairly clear that since the CIAS/MI6/USA/UK approved Malcolm Fraser was approinted as the prime minister of Ausralia,  on 11 November 1975 with the dismissal from office of the Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam of the Australian Labor Party (ALP), by Governor-General Sir John Kerr, who then commissioned the Leader of the Opposition, Malcolm Fraser of the Liberal Party, as caretaker Prime Minister ...
... that only politicians that are approved and vetted by ASIO/CIAS/MI6/USA/UK are allowed to be appointed the prime ministers of Australia ... one of the various methods this is done ... is by various entities, organsiationa dn companies fronting for ASIO/CIA/MI6/MossadUSA/UK provided large amounts of cash each year to both the Liberal Party and Labor Party ... and in this way are able to vet and influence who neds up being appointed the leader of both the Liberal Party and Labor Party .. so regardless of which party wins the Australian Federal Elections .... only a vetted and approved politicial becomes  the prime minister of Australia ... if by any unforseen circumstances a politician who is not vetted and approved the ASIO/CIA/MI6/Mossad/USA/UK .... they are quickly told that unless they play by the rules set by the ASIO/CIA/MI6/Mossad/USA/UK .... they will quickly be removed from being from being  the prime minister of Australia ..... and replaced by vetted and approved the ASIO/CIAS/MI6/Mossad/USA/UK ....
What the general public do not realise and fully understand ... is that all the major security organisations in each country such as 
 ASIO/CIA/MI6/Mossad etc... are are all controlled aand financed behind the scenes by power international  industrialists and bankers ... and the Australian, UK, USA and Israeld Goverments etc., are no in real control of the security agency that is meant to relate to each country ... and that a lot of their funding comes from illegal activities such as illegal drug profits which as laundered through major corportations and banks ... such as happened with the Nugan Hand Bank in the 1970's ... before is collapsed in amjor public scandall .... which was used as a slush fund foer a number of things including finding the things that needed to be done to make sure that Gough Whitlam was dismmissed as prime minister of Australia and replaced by Malcolm Fraser ... and the payment of hit men ....








7 October 200I

ISBN: 978 0 9805050 6 1

Corruption and Crime Commission

Postal Address PO Box 7667 Cloisters Square PERTH WA 6850

Telephone (08) 9215 4888

1800 809 000 (Toll Free for callers outside the Perth metropolitan area.)

Facsimile (08) 9215 4884

Email info@ccc.wa.gov.au

Office Hours 8.30 a.m. to 5.00 p.m., Monday to Friday

The Commission has formed a number of opinions as to misconduct and made a number of recommendations which are set out in Chapter 14 of the Report.

[76] The opinions as to misconduct may be summarised as follows.
                    

1. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in writing the letter to the Police Prosecutor dated 17 June 1994 containing incorrect and misleading information.

2. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in requesting Mr Lynch to amend his reports by deleting all reference to the salt water testing.

3. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

4. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

5. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in making false entries in the Running Sheets relating to the amendments to the witnesses’ statements.

6. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the original statements of the witnesses including Mr Lynch’s original report and details of the unsuccessful attempts to locate a weapon capable of inflicting wounds similar to those found on Mrs Lawrence.

7. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in running the trial on the basis that a wrench as drawn by Andrew Mallard was the murder weapon,but, at the same time, failing to put Andrew Mallard’s drawing to Dr Cooke and asking whether the deceased’s injuries were consistent with the use of such an instrument.

8. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the pig’s head testing of the wrench or ensuring that it had been disclosed by the police.

[77] The recommendations are detailed below.

1. That the Commissioner of Police give consideration to the taking of disciplinary action against Assistant Commissioner Malcolm William Shervill and Assistant Commissioner David John Caporn.

2. That the Director of Public Prosecutions gives consideration to the taking of disciplinary action against Mr Kenneth Paul Bates.

3. That consideration is given by the Commissioner of Police to making special provision for the interviewing by investigating police of mentally ill suspects.

4. That whenever there is legislation, fresh authoritative case law, or DPP guidelines which relate to the conduct of criminal investigation or the admissibility of evidence in such cases, senior police officers affected by such matters be required to attend formal seminars or meetings at which they can be made familiar with such matters.

5. That whenever the police obtain advice from the Office of the Director of Public Prosecution such advice be furnished in writing setting out, at least, the material considered, the opinion and the grounds upon which such opinion is based; or in cases of urgency, a detailed contemporary note should be made, preferably by the DPP officer or his secretary, and also by the police, setting out the matters specified.

6. That Mr Andrew Mallard gives consideration to raising a complaint with the Legal Practitioners Complaints Committee (LPCC) regarding the conduct of the trial by Mr Bates. [Division 3 of the Legal Practice Act 2003 deals with complaints made about legal practitioners. Section 175(2) specifies who can make a complaint to the LPCC including the Attorney General, the Legal Practice Board, the Executive Director of the Law Society, any legal practitioner or any other person who has had a direct personal interest in the matter].

[78] Finally the Commission acknowledges the efforts and expertise of those persons who were instrumental in securing justice and vindication for Andrew Mallard, especially Ms Colleen Egan, journalist, Mr Quigley MLA, Mr Malcolm McCusker QC, and Clayton Utz, solicitors, who acted pro bono.




Deliberate false and misleading information provided by the Marco Task Force as agents for the police Western Australian Police Service and Government

It seems tha  false and misleading information was provided by the police to the media and by the media to the general public about the last known sightings of  Sarah Spiers, James Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.


Petedavo a registered member on the WebSleuths.com discussion Website forum on the Claremont Serial Killer, states that another member of Bunnie, registered member on the WebSleuths.com, while working for Swan Taxis, and was asked to check the Swan Taxi call in records for Sarah Spiers call for a Swan Taxi states, …..  that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers rang Swan Taxi's at 2.03 am and requested a taxi to pick her up from the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont, stating that her destination was South Perth, and when the Swan Taxi arrive did pick her up a few minutes later the taxi driver could not locate Sarah Spiers anywhere, and thus eventually drove off without picking up Sarah Spiers and driver her to her requested destination of South Perth, which is where Sarah Spiers shared an apartment with her sister Amanda Spiers, which was owned by their parents, who lived in the country.

 

 

 

However, for some strange reason the Macro Task Force headed by David John Caporn gave false information to the Channel Nine Producers who produced the documentary on the Claremont Serial Abductions and Murders  entitled Crime Investigation Australia - Hunt for a Killer The Claremont Murders...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c

 

….  that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers requested a taxi to Mosman Park ... when the truth of the matter was that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers at around 2.03 am rang Swan Taxi's and requested a taxi to take her to South Perth ... not Mosman Park..

The other possibility that has never been put forward by the police and/or the  mainstream media is that the girl that …..   a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers rang Swan Taxi's at 2.03 am and requested a taxi to pick her up from the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont, stating that her destination was South Perth .. may not have been Sarah Speirs …  there does no seem to be any evidence that is available proving  that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers rang Swan Taxi's at 2.03 am and requested a taxi to pick her up from the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont, stating that her destination was South Perth .. was really Sarah Spiers … it could have been a girl pretending to be Sarah Spiers, who was connected to those involved in the Claremont Serial Abductions and Killings… to make the false impression that Sarah Speirs ha dnot been abducted at 2.03, when Sarah Spiers left Club Bayview, at around 1.30 am wihich was only a few minutes walk from the phone box on the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont …

 






 Sarah Spiers has never been found



Petedavo a registered member on the WebSleuths.com discussion Website forum on the Claremont Serial Killer, states that another member of Bunnie, registered member on the WebSleuths.com, while working for Swan Taxis, and was asked to check the Swan Taxi call in records for Sarah Spiers call for a Swan Taxi states, …..  that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers rang Swan Taxi's at 2.03 am and requested a taxi to pick her up from the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont, stating that her destination was South Perth, and when the Swan Taxi arrive did pick her up a few minutes later the taxi driver could not locate Sarah Spiers anywhere, and thus eventually drove off without picking up Sarah Spiers and driver her to her requested destination of South Perth, which is where Sarah Spiers shared an apartment with her sister Amanda Spiers, which was owned by their parents, who lived in the country.

 

However, for some strange reason the Macro Task Force headed by David John Caporn gave false information to the Channel Nine Producers who produced the documentary on the Claremont Serial Abductions and Murders  entitled Crime Investigation Australia - Hunt for a Killer The Claremont Murders...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNF1E3mg3c

….  that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers requested a taxi to Mosman Park ... when the truth of the matter was that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers at around 2.03 am rang Swan Taxi's and requested a taxi to take her to South Perth ... not Mosman Park..

The other possibility that has never been put forward by the police and/or the  mainstream media is that the girl that …..   a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers rang Swan Taxi's at 2.03 am and requested a taxi to pick her up from the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont, stating that her destination was South Perth .. may not have been Sarah Speirs …  there does no seem to be any evidence that is available proving  that a girl calling herself Sarah Spiers rang Swan Taxi's at 2.03 am and requested a taxi to pick her up from the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont, stating that her destination was South Perth .. was really Sarah Spiers … it could have been a girl pretending to be Sarah Spiers, who was connected to those involved in the Claremont Serial Abductions and Killings… to make the false impression that Sarah Speirs ha dnot been abducted at 2.03, when Sarah Spiers left Club Bayview, at around 1.30 am wihich was only a few minutes walk from the phone box on the corner of Stirling Street  and Stirling Highway, Claremont …




Title: We Saw Jane Rimmer Hitching - Uni Student says
Author: Andrew Clennell Date: 19th June, 1996
Publisher: Community Times, News Chronical, Nedlands Edition

University student Emma Clayton and her friends almost picked up a blonde girl she is sure was Jane Rimmer early on the Sunday Morning Jane Rimmer disapeared.
Miss Clayton (21 years old uni student) said she saw the girl staggering along Stirling Highway, thumb out, hitching a lift at 12.30 am. Emma Clayton told police about the incident and her description of the cloths Jane was wearing matched that of a police description which had not been released to the media. Ms Clayton said she and her friends had been in Stirling Highway after leaving a 21st birthday party at Claremont Yacht Club. "Down near Lock Street we saw a girl Hitchhiking," she said. The Girl had her thumb out and we just slowed down and thought maybe we should pick her up but didn't." The conversation between the two couples in the car had been that she was a silly girl for trying to hitch in the area and they discussed whether they should pick the girl up. The decided at the last minute to move on. "we said of all placed for a girl to be hitchhiking alone, this was probably the worst," Miss Clayton said. She said initially, after she had heard of Jane Rimmer's disappearance, she felt guilty that that hadn't picked her up. "If we had picked her up things would have been a lot different, " Miss Clayton said. When she and her friends saw the girl there were no other cars on the Stirling Highway ...







Then when it came to the claimed last sighting of Jane Rimmer on the TV documentary backed up by all the other main stream media ... it was deliberarely presented as a false fact by the Macro Task Force to the producers of the TV documentary that the last known sighting of Jane Rimmer was at around 12 pm standing outside the Continental Hotel in Bay View Terrace, Claremont ... when it was well known to the Macro Task Force and the other main stream media that four University Students from the University of Western Australia saw Jane Rimmer looking quite drunk and hitchhiking along Stirling Highway walking towards the city of Perth direction at around 12.30 am  ... around the corner of Stirling Highway and Loch Street, Claremont ... they were nearly going to pick her up ... but last minute decided not to pick her up .... a decision that they have sincerely regretted ever since ... because if they had picked up Jane Rimmer at around 12.30 am, Jane Rimmer would be likely to have been alive today ... they reported their sighting to the police and correctly discribed what Jane Rimmer was wearing before the police publicly released to the media a description of what Jane Rimmer was wearing the night she was abducted and murdered ...

Also the Nedlands area local community newspaper the ...... Community Times, News Chronical, Nedlands Edition  ..... 

reported the story of their sighting of Jane Rimmer hitchhiking along Stirling Highway walking towards the city of Perth at around 12.30 am..

Why have the Western Australian Police Service and the main stream media colluded to trick the general public into falsely believing that the last known sighting of Jane Rimmer was at around 12am standing outside the Continental Hotel in Bay View Terrace Claremont, and this having all possible witnesses and the general public, that could help the Western Austyralian Police Service and the Western Australian Government solve this most devastating and abhorent crime of the abduction and murder of Jane Rimmer on early Sunday morning  the 9th of June, 1996 ...

What happened to Jane Rimmer from 12.30 am on Sunday the 9th of June, 1996 onwards ...
and
why did the Western Australian Police and the media deliberately lie 
to the Western Australian Public for 20 years about the last sighting of Jane Rimmer,
which was at around 12.30 am on Sunday the 9th of June, 1996 hitchhiking on Stirling Highway near Loch Street, Claremont, Western Australia...
was it because as witnesses have stated according to USA media investigators, that some members of the Western Australian polie Service were involved in picking up Jane Rimmer on Sunday Morning on Stirling Highway ... and these police officers have not come forward to say what they did with Jane Rimmer after they picked up Jane Rimmer on Sunday Morning on Stirtl#ing Highway ....  

Jane Rimmer was 23 when she went missing in 1996 after a night out in Claremont
Jane Rimmer above

after the four twenty-one year old uni students saw Jane Rimmer Hitchhiking on Stirling Highway
near Lock Street at around 12.30 am staggering as though she was quite drunk.
TheyweregoingtopickupJaneRimmerbutforsomereasondidnotpickupJaneRimmer
even though they commented to each other
that it  was a dangerous place to be hitchhicking at that hour of the morning

Below is the false statement that the police and all the Western Australian media
have stated to the public for the last 20 years about the last sighting of Jane Rimmer at 4 minutes past midnight on Sunday June 9th 1996 

Sunday June 9, 1996: Childcare worker Jane Rimmer, 23, was last seen leaving Claremont’s Continental Hotel at 00.04am after a Saturday night out with friends.

Jane Rimmer was seen on video footage standing outside Club Bay View after she declined a lift home with friends, with whom she had been drinking. Her parents had expected their bubbly daughter for lunch that Sunday at their Wembley home.

The Western Australian Police Service and their Macro Task Force set up to investigate the Claremont Serial Abductions and Murders, after

However,  the true last sighting of Jane Rimmer was at around 12.30 am hitchhiking on Stirling Highway near Loch Street,Claremont,
which is going towards Perth from where Jane Rimmer had been at the Continental Hotel in Bay View Terrace

The corner of Loch Street and Stirling Highway from the
Continental Hotel in Bay View Terrace is only about 10 to 15 minutes walk.
The Uni Students   were driving back to near the Nedlands Uni after attending a 21st birday party at the Claremont Yatch Club,
which is near the bottom of Bay View Terrace, Claremont.
They would have drived up Bay View Terrace andf turned right on the Stirling Highway,
towards Nedlands w
here  they lived near the university of Western Australia
So Jane Rimmer was hitchhiking towards Nedlands/Perth on the left side of the road if one was driving to Perth


 

Above photos of Jane Rimmer and a Mystery Man talking to Jane Rimmer, taken from the video footage released by the Macro Taskforce around 12 years after this video was recorded by the Continental Hotel Security camera at around 12.04 am on the Sunday the 9th of June, 1996 ...
The release of this edited video footage  and all media hype around trying to now ask the general public to help identify this mystery man (MM) some 12 years later, as being the alleged key to solving the abduction and murder of Jane Rimmer on 
Sunday morning, the 9th of June, 1996 ....with none of the main stream media or the police even mentioning the later sighting of Jane Rimmer at around 12.30 am hitchhicking  along Stirling Highway< Claremont, heading toward the city of Perth, in the complete opposite direction of Mosman Park, where the main stream media and the police try to imply all three girls were attempting to head to when they disappeared, or Wembley, where Jane Rimmer had a flat and where her parents lived as well ....

 

Mark Dixie has left a world-wide trail of shattered lives - and several possible murder victims.

In Britain, he was responsible for a series of violent sex attacks on women.

In Spain, he was suspected of battering and molesting three women within minutes.

And while he was working as a chef in Perth, Western Australia, there were three unsolved killings of attractive young women.



Model 'murdered by knifeman in search of sex'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1577795/Model-murdered-by-knifeman-in-search-of-sex.html

12:01AM GMT 06 Feb 2008

A girl who dreamed of being a top model was murdered in her driveway by a knifeman determined to commit a violent sex act, a court has heard.

Sally Anne Bowman, 18, whose ambition was to appear on the front page of Vogue, was stabbed, bitten and sexually assaulted before and after she died.

The attack by 37-year-old chef Mark Dixie was so brutal that the blade of his knife passed through his victim's neck and abdomen, the Old Bailey was told.

Dixie admitted having sex with Miss Bowman after she had died while he was high on drink and drugs. But the convicted sex offender claimed he stumbled across her body and that she had been murdered by someone else.

Brian Altman, prosecuting, said of Dixie's defence: "The idea that in one and the same place there was not only a homicidal maniac who motivelessly stabbed a beautiful young woman to death but also a sex offender is a ludicrous claim borne out of desperation," he said.

"All you have to do is look at the state in which Sally Anne had been left after she was murdered to realise that, no matter how intoxicated the defendant claims to have been, having sexual intercourse with Sally Anne in that state and in those circumstances is simply beyond the pale as to be pure fiction."

Judge Gerald Gordon told the jury of seven women and five men that Dixie's admission that he had sex with the teenager might be regarded with revulsion but their responsibility was to decide if he had killed her.

On the first day of an expected four-week trial, the jury was given graphic details of the murder.

Miss Bowman's parents and two of her sisters were in court. One sister walked out as details and photographs of her sister's injuries were produced.

Mr Altman said that Dixie had armed himself with a knife "to commit a violent sex act", regardless of the identity of his victim.

Miss Bowman had celebrated her 18th birthday two weeks before she was attacked.

"Sally Anne Bowman's murder was motivated by sex," Mr Altman said. "He clearly murdered her for his own sexual gratification. There is no other way of describing it, other than to say that Sally Anne had been savagely and brutally killed."

Miss Bowman's naked body was discovered by a neighbour in Blenheim Crescent, Croydon, south London, on Sept 25, 2005. She had been dropped off by her boyfriend, Lewis Sproston, at about 4am after a night out in Croydon with her sister, Nicole.

As she walked to her front door she was attacked and although her screams were heard by several neighbours no one saw the killing.

A post mortem examination revealed that she had been stabbed seven times, bitten four times and suffered cuts to her arms and hands as she tried to fight off her attacker. She had been seriously sexually assaulted.

Mr Altman said the defendant's DNA was found on her body, his bloody fingerprint on her shoe and his bite marks on her face and body.

London-born Dixie, dressed in a black suit and blue tie, listened impassively, occasionally taking notes. The jury was told that he had spent several years in Australia in the 1990s before returning to Croydon in 2003.

Known as a "recreational drug user" with significant mood swings, the court heard that he had had several failed relationships, which produced three children.

Mr Altman said Dixie had turned 35 the night before Miss Bowman was murdered and had gone for a prolonged drinking session and taken two lines of cocaine with friends.

He was depressed about the breakdown of his latest relationship with his girlfriend, Stacey Nivet, with whom he had a son.

On the night of the murder, he stayed with a friend in Avondale Road, two streets from Blenheim Crescent, and was seen slumped on the sofa at 2.30am and then again at 10.30am, several hours after Miss Bowman's body was found.

Dixie was arrested in June 2006, at a pub in Horley, Surrey, where he worked as a chef. DNA swabs linked him to the crime scene, the jury heard.

Mr Altman said that police found a video dated March 2006, in which Dixie recorded himself committing a sex act in front of a newspaper bearing Miss Bowman's image.

He told the jury: "The defendant was reliving not just the sexual acts and other indignities he had performed on Sally Anne's body that night in September 2005 but he was also reliving killing her."


12:01AM GMT 06 Feb 2008

A girl who dreamed of being a top model was murdered in her driveway by a knifeman determined to commit a violent sex act, a court has heard.

Sally Anne Bowman, 18, whose ambition was to appear on the front page of Vogue, was stabbed, bitten and sexually assaulted before and after she died.

The attack by 37-year-old chef Mark Dixie was so brutal that the blade of his knife passed through his victim's neck and abdomen, the Old Bailey was told.

Dixie admitted having sex with Miss Bowman after she had died while he was high on drink and drugs. But the convicted sex offender claimed he stumbled across her body and that she had been murdered by someone else.

Brian Altman, prosecuting, said of Dixie's defence: "The idea that in one and the same place there was not only a homicidal maniac who motivelessly stabbed a beautiful young woman to death but also a sex offender is a ludicrous claim borne out of desperation," he said.

"All you have to do is look at the state in which Sally Anne had been left after she was murdered to realise that, no matter how intoxicated the defendant claims to have been, having sexual intercourse with Sally Anne in that state and in those circumstances is simply beyond the pale as to be pure fiction."

Judge Gerald Gordon told the jury of seven women and five men that Dixie's admission that he had sex with the teenager might be regarded with revulsion but their responsibility was to decide if he had killed her.

On the first day of an expected four-week trial, the jury was given graphic details of the murder.

Miss Bowman's parents and two of her sisters were in court. One sister walked out as details and photographs of her sister's injuries were produced.

Mr Altman said that Dixie had armed himself with a knife "to commit a violent sex act", regardless of the identity of his victim.

Miss Bowman had celebrated her 18th birthday two weeks before she was attacked.

"Sally Anne Bowman's murder was motivated by sex," Mr Altman said. "He clearly murdered her for his own sexual gratification. There is no other way of describing it, other than to say that Sally Anne had been savagely and brutally killed."

Miss Bowman's naked body was discovered by a neighbour in Blenheim Crescent, Croydon, south London, on Sept 25, 2005. She had been dropped off by her boyfriend, Lewis Sproston, at about 4am after a night out in Croydon with her sister, Nicole.

As she walked to her front door she was attacked and although her screams were heard by several neighbours no one saw the killing.

A post mortem examination revealed that she had been stabbed seven times, bitten four times and suffered cuts to her arms and hands as she tried to fight off her attacker. She had been seriously sexually assaulted.

Mr Altman said the defendant's DNA was found on her body, his bloody fingerprint on her shoe and his bite marks on her face and body.

London-born Dixie, dressed in a black suit and blue tie, listened impassively, occasionally taking notes. The jury was told that he had spent several years in Australia in the 1990s before returning to Croydon in 2003.

Known as a "recreational drug user" with significant mood swings, the court heard that he had had several failed relationships, which produced three children.

Mr Altman said Dixie had turned 35 the night before Miss Bowman was murdered and had gone for a prolonged drinking session and taken two lines of cocaine with friends.

He was depressed about the breakdown of his latest relationship with his girlfriend, Stacey Nivet, with whom he had a son.

On the night of the murder, he stayed with a friend in Avondale Road, two streets from Blenheim Crescent, and was seen slumped on the sofa at 2.30am and then again at 10.30am, several hours after Miss Bowman's body was found.

Dixie was arrested in June 2006, at a pub in Horley, Surrey, where he worked as a chef. DNA swabs linked him to the crime scene, the jury heard.

Mr Altman said that police found a video dated March 2006, in which Dixie recorded himself committing a sex act in front of a newspaper bearing Miss Bowman's image.

He told the jury: "The defendant was reliving not just the sexual acts and other indignities he had performed on Sally Anne's body that night in September 2005 but he was also reliving killing her."

The trial continues.







Former Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough confesses to three murders before death
 
KATE CAMPBELL, PerthNow - October 10, 2015


http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/former-australian-navy-mechanic-richard-dorrough-confesses-to-three-murders-before-death/news-story/5db2ff7d9fb88ad450c7711d90050452

Former Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough confesses to three murders before death  KATE CAMPBELL, PerthNow - October 10, 2015
THE former head of the WA Police homicide squad which investigated a navy sailor – now linked to three killings – has admitted his “strong suspicions”.

Former detective Paul Ferguson, whose team investigated the disappearance of a Broome woman 20 years ago, said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Richard Edward Dorrough. Explosive allegations have now emerged that Dorrough, 37, confessed in a suicide note to killing three unnamed people, believed to be 21-year-old Broome woman Sara-Lee Davey, an unknown victim, and Sydney prostitute Rachael Campbell, 29 – the murder case Dorrough stood trial over but was acquitted.

Dorrough, originally from Queensland, killed himself at Belmont’s Lone Ranges Shooting Gallery in August last year. Ms Davey disappeared on January 14, 1997 after it’s believed she met Dorrough, a navy mechanic on shore leave from the HMAS Geelong, at a Broome night spot. Mr Ferguson yesterday stood by his homicide squad’s “thorough” investigation. State Crime Assistant Commissioner Michelle Fyfe said the investigation was “in line with policy and practice for 1997” and was directed by four witness statements from people known to Ms Davey and her family claiming they saw her after January 14.

Mr Ferguson sent two detectives to Darwin to interview Dorrough a few months later, but couldn’t strengthen their case against him.

“We were relatively confident that he was the killer, but you don’t convict people on gut feelings, you convict them on evidence,” he said.

“In that particular case, there was no body, there was no admissions and you had not strangers, but members of (Ms Davey’s) family saying they’d seen her after the time of the incident. “I was satisfied with the calibre of the investigation and I’d be more than satisfied to go before the coroner and answer any questions relating to what was done and why it was done at that particular point in time.” A coronial inquest into Ms Davey’s disappearance will be held in Broome in April next year. WA Police have reviewed all cold cases and continue to work with other jurisdictions cross-matching Dorrough’s known whereabouts with unsolved crime files. “We are unable to find any link with any unsolved serious crimes that we’re aware of,” Ms Fyfe said, adding any connection with the Claremont serial killer case had been ruled out as Dorrough was not living in Perth at the time. “There are members of the public who knew Mr Dorrough, who associated with him or who may very well recognise him. They may hold the key to us solving an unsolved crime.” Dorrough’s criminal history includes being charged with attempted murder after he deliberately ran down a pedestrian in Queensland in 2000. He was convicted of a lesser charge and sentenced to five years, serving just a year. NSW Police yesterday said its unsolved homicide team would “continue to review new evidentiary information”

Disappearance in 1997 of 21-year-old Kimberley woman Sara-Lee Davey from Broome.


Another murder allegedly mentioned in the suicide note was of Sara-Lee Davey - who has been on the national missing persons list since she vanished in 1997.

The former navy mechanic was also a suspect in the 1997 disappearance of 21-year-old Kimberley woman Sara-Lee Davey from Broome.

 Dorrough was questioned over her disappearance at the time.

Sara lee Davey was last seen: Tuesday, 14 January 1997 Year of birth: 1973 Height: 175cm Build: Slim Eyes: Brown Hair: Black Complexion:Olive Gender: Female Distinguishing Feature: Circumstances Sara was last seen driving a four wheel drive type vehicle in Saville Street, Broome at 5.00 pm on Tuesday January 14, 1997. This is the last known location that she visited in Broome prior to her disappearance. Despite extensive inquiries by police and family her whereabouts are not known











 Ciara Glennon

Then when it came to the last known sighting of Ciara Glennon ... the Macro Task Force and the Western Australian Police Service gave false information to the producers of the TV documentary about the Claremont Serial Abductions and Murders  .. falsely describing what happened when Frankie and his friends saw a girl that looked like Ciara Glennon walking down Stirling Highway towards Mosman Park direction ... it was falsely stated that Frankie and his friends saw Ciara Glennon standing with her hands on her knees talking to someone or people in a car that had stopped on Stirling Highway... they stated that they saw the back lights of a car that had passed them and saw what looked like Ciara Glennon walk past them ... but they never saw Ciara Glennon standing in Stirling Highway with her hands on her knees leaning over talking to someone or some people in a car that had stopped on Stirling Highway...

//www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?342744-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-15/page154





Inspector Paul Ferguson ex Macro Taskforce boss,

spoke to The West Australian on the 20th anniversary of Sarah Spiers' disappearance

Coping With A Void ...Outrage That Led To Suicide Bids



TRANSCRIPT: Catching the Claremont killer
https://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/sunday-night/transcripts/a/28471453/transcript-catching-the-claremont-killer/



The probe into the Claremont serial killings is the longest active criminal investigation in the country. It is also the most expensive in Australian history.

CHRIS BATH: We begin tonight on the streets of Perth in the leafy suburb of Claremont and the burning mystery - who is the Claremont serial killer?
Three young women disappeared after visiting the same nightclub and bar strip and making the mistake of getting into the wrong car. The bodies of two of the women were found in bush-land, the other is still missing.
 Almost two decades on, the original lead investigator has agreed to take us inside the case in the hope of sparking new leads.
While another senior retired cop has come forward with explosive claims about the competence of the investigation and concerns key information he provided wasn't taken seriously and other, possibly helpful intelligence, was ignored.
We'll hear also from those most desperate for answers - the families of the victims.
Steve Pennell’s has our special report.


PAUL FERGUSON: Most parents expect their children to go to their funeral. When you raise a child and that person is in their late teens, early 20s, and they're murdered, the family have to, first and foremost, come to the realisation that they've lost their child, they've outlived their child...the trauma that the child went to prior to the death. And the person responsible, are they going to be held accountable? It's huge, absolutely huge.



STEVE PENNELLS: On a quiet road in northern Perth, former homicide cop Paul Ferguson is heading back to a defining scene.

PAUL FERGUSON: The killer has taken her out of the vehicle, gone down the slope and 20 metres or so down the base of the bottom of the slope, has dumped her body. Just effectively dumped her body. We had a third victim.

STEVE PENNELLS: It was 3 April 1997. Her name was Ciara Glennon.

PAUL FERGUSON: She was a lawyer, quite an intelligent young lady, didn’t take a lot of risks. There was no doubt that she was the third victim. The fact that Ciara's body was just dumped could mean a number of things. First and foremost that he was arrogant.

STEVE PENNELLS: He wanted the body found.

PAUL FERGUSON: He wanted the body found. He gets a buzz twofold - one, out of the killings and two, out of all the publicity he’s getting.

STEVE PENNELLS: 27-year-old Ciara Glennon, 23-year-old Jane Rimmer, and 18-year-old Sarah Spiers, all victims of Perth's notorious Claremont serial killer. They just got into the wrong car.

PAUL FERGUSON: Got into the wrong car and it cost them their lives. The answer is out there. Someone who is listening has the answer.

STEVE PENNELLS: Paul Ferguson was the original head of Macro, the taskforce formed to find a killer. Almost 20 years on, he’s agreed to talk because he, and the families of the victims, are as desperate as ever for answers.

PAUL FERGUSON: That's why I'm talking to you because WA Police have chosen not to be part of this program. And, yeah, I'm fully aware of that. I gave up two years of my life working on the Macro Taskforce. I know that the offender thinks at this stage that he is, she is, they are smart and they've got away with it.

STEVE PENNELLS: Did you look at absolutely everything?

PAUL FERGUSON: Everything.

STEVE PENNELLS: Lots of dead ends.

PAUL FERGUSON: A lot of dead ends, yes.

STEVE PENNELLS: How resource-intensive was this?

PAUL FERGUSON: Oh, huge. Huge. Absolutely huge.

STEVE PENNELLS: If the Macro Taskforce was huge when Paul Ferguson ran it for its first two years, it was about to go off the scale. Under later leadership, the Claremont investigation would become the biggest and most expensive in Australian criminal history. A massive, at times bizarre investigation, it has never found its target.

MICHELLE ROBERTS: Do I have confidence in them to conduct these high-level investigations into serious crimes? I have to say, looking from the outside, no, I don't.

CON BAYENS: It seems to me that the Macro Taskforce was a situation where the cops really mucked up and now we've got a cover-up. And that's the saddest part, that they've never just sort of said, "Oh, we made a mistake."

STEVE PENNELLS: Con Bayens is another retired cop. And he's speaking out for the first time. He'll take us back to a chilling incident that for him says everything about the secretive, dysfunctional operation of Macro.

ACTOR: This is not good.

STEVE PENNELLS: And straightaway your mind went to the Claremont killer?

CON BAYENS: Yes.

STEVE PENNELLS: 14 years on, the former vice officer is wondering what happened to a brief he prepared on a very suspicious character he pulled over during a major undercover operation.

CON BAYENS: What happened in Highgate that night, what I saw that night, has haunted me for a lot of years.

ACTOR: Just want to step out of the car, please?

STEVE PENNELLS: And he's at a loss to understand just why the Claremont investigation wasn’t interested in the potential treasure-trove of intelligence his operation was gathering. What do you think the reaction will be to what you're saying?

CON BAYENS: They won't be happy with it. They definitely won't be happy with it. Um, I'm not under that veil of secrecy. I've never signed any of their secrecy clauses. Um... Yeah, they would prefer that I didn't speak, without a doubt, but here we are.

STEVE PENNELLS: You're breaking the code.

CON BAYENS: Yeah, but for the right reasons.

DON SPIERS: Oh, I think about her fondly. I think about her every day. Fortunately no bad thoughts. They’re all, you know, happy thoughts. Only bad thoughts about when she actually disappeared. I felt as though someone had opened me up with a scalpel.

STEVE PENNELLS: Don Spiers was shearing outside Darkan in southern WA when his wife Carol called with worrying news - their daughter, Sarah, was missing.

DON SPIERS: I was working at a friend's property. His wife came up to the shed on the Monday morning and said, "Carol wants you to ring her straightaway." And with that sort of message I knew there was something seriously wrong. And so we jumped in the car and drove to Perth and just thinking of different scenarios that may have happened and maybe she'd walk in the door at four o'clock. But that never happened. And things just deteriorated from there. Each time, you know, you think of a worse scenario, but hoping that she'd be safe.

PAUL FERGUSON: She was a quiet girl, a very intelligent young lady, had a very close circle of friends. Didn't put herself at risk unnecessarily. Um...and was relatively quiet.

STEVE PENNELLS: A few months later, another girl went missing.

DON SPIERS: Yes. Jane Rimmer, 9th June.

STEVE PENNELLS: So, straightaway you thought they might be linked.

DON SPIERS: Without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt.

ADAM RIMMER: Obviously there was something drastically wrong. We had invited her to the movies as a group; there was a group of us going. She declined. We didn't see her after that.

STEVE PENNELLS: Months apart, Sarah's, then Jane's fateful nights unfolded with chilling similarity. They began with drinks at beachside Cottesloe and moved on to neighbouring Claremont. Both decided late in the evening to leave the pack and go it alone. They never made it home. When did you first believe it was a serial killer?

PAUL FERGUSON: Early in the disappearance of Jane Rimmer, the coincidence, or the links between Jane and Sarah were quite strong. And the team were very, very comfortable they were looking at the same offender responsible for both girls' disappearance.

ADAM RIMMER: I remember getting the phone call from the police. And they said that they had found a body and they believed it to be... to be Jane. They were just going through some final confirmations, but it was... Yeah, it was a pretty... pretty dark day.

STEVE PENNELLS: Do you remember the first time you came down here?

PAUL FERGUSON: Oh, yes. Yeah. It was the day that Jane's body was found. It was a Sunday if I remember correctly. Got a phone call to say that a body had been found and they suspected it was one of the... one of the girls from Claremont. The area was sealed off and Jane was there.

COLIN BARNETT: That confirmed everyone’s worst fears. I think it was expected, but still, when it came, it was a shock that this was a murder.

STEVE PENNELLS: Now State Premier, Colin Barnett’s electorate takes in Claremont. And then, a few months later, Ciara went missing.

COLIN BARNETT: Yes. And again, Ciara Glennon, a very well-known family throughout the area. And this, again, I think created a sense that this was not a one-off event - this was a serial killer.

STEVE PENNELLS: Ciara's night out was almost a blueprint of Sarah's and Jane's. Once again, it's drinks with friends at Claremont. And later, a decision to leave the group and head eventually to Stirling Highway to make her way home. As Ciara walks down the highway, a man at this bus stop yells out to her that she's crazy for hitchhiking. A few minutes later she's seen leaning into the window of a car, having a conversation. When the man turns back, both the car and Ciara are gone.

PAUL FERGUSON: So, you walk down the hill and what there was, there was some scrub, similar to this one here, which was about 25 metres down, and her body was just placed on the ground underneath that low-lying scrub.

STEVE PENNELLS: Investigators figured the women must have trusted whomever it was who picked them up, so much of their effort was focused on taxi drivers. At one stage, Macro set about swabbing thousands of Perth cabbies for DNA. All the time, pressure was building for a breakthrough.

COLIN BARNETT: People would come to me, just to talk about it, to get some sort of reassurance that the investigations were proceeding and every effort was being made. I don't know why they came to the local Member of Parliament. They would have talked to local police. But there was a lot of suspicion in the community. And people felt a need to talk about it.

PAUL FERGUSON: (SIGHS) it certainly increases the pressure, I can assure you. What's going on? And like a lot of other people, why hasn't this been solved? So, from a management point of view and from a pressure point of view, internally it escalated, externally it escalated.

STEVE PENNELLS: Very soon, Paul Ferguson would be moved off the Macro Taskforce.

CON BAYENS: Like, he's a good top investigator, um, been in the criminal investigation branch for years, obviously a highly trained investigator and all of a sudden, he's been thrown out. What can you make of that? Once again, you can only speculate. Because in the absence of any explanation, that's all the officers are left with.

STEVE PENNELLS: What did you speculate?

CON BAYENS: He'd rubbed somebody the wrong way and they wanted him out of the show.

STEVE PENNELLS: He was shafted?

CON BAYENS: Yeah. Yeah. And rather undiplomatically as well.

STEVE PENNELLS: A rising star named David Caporn took the helm at Macro. He'd made a name for himself cracking a high-profile murder case.

JOHN QUIGLEY: The police force regard Caporn at that stage as the gun investigator who had in very quick time solved the Pamela Lawrence murder by arresting Andrew Mallard. Just a mere technicality that he arrested the wrong bloke and got him stitched up for a life term. That was just a mere technicality. But apart from that, he was, in the eyes of the police department, their top investigator. It's just tragic.

DAVID CAPORN: Never before have people on a taskforce been able to make a difference that we can make by resolving these crimes.

STEVE PENNELLS: Before long, Macro would fix on one suspect and one suspect only - a public servant named Lance Williams.

LANCE WILLIAMS: I always said all the time that I've had nothing to do with it.

STEVE PENNELLS: And, according to Con Bayens, they didn't want to know about anyone else.

CON BAYENS: Look, the type of people I was encountering every night, every one of them had the potential to be the Claremont serial killer. And I said, "And, Dave, look, "I understand you're heading the Macro Taskforce.” I'm assuming that these murders are sexually motivated or whatever, "so if there's anything I can help you with..." "I'll let you know every offender we intercept." His response, I didn't expect. He said, "Don't worry about it, Con, we’ve got our man." And those words will stick with me forever. And I just went, "Really?" Well, that just hit about 10 on my weird shit-o-meter.



Why we didn't catch the Claremont killer

https://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/sunday-night/features/a/28288144/why-we-didnt-catch-the-claremont-killer/
Reporter: Steve Pennells | Producers: Lisa Ryan, Debi Marshall
Sunday Night / May 31st, 2015
Con Bayens, former head of a WA prostitution taskforce, says he could have met the Claremont killer
The former head of the Western Australian Police task-force responsible for catching the notorious Claremont killer has spoken out about the investigation that never hit its mark.
It’s haunted investigators for nearly two decades. Australia’s biggest and most expensive police investigation into the Claremont murders has never been solved.
Paul Ferguson, the former head of the taskforce charged with finding the serial killer, has spoken out to try and generate new leads.

Video The Claremont killer - part one
https://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/sunday-night/-/watch/28288354/the-claremont-killer-part-one/

Video Catching the Claremont killer: Part two
https://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/sunday-night/-/watch/28370015/catching-the-claremont-killer-part-two/

"I gave up two years of my life working on the Macro task-force. I know that the offender thinks at this stage that he is/she is/they are smart and they've got away with it," Ferguson told Sunday Night.
"That's why I'm talking to you because WA Police have chosen not to be part of this program. And, yeah, I'm fully aware of that."
After he was removed as head of Macro task-force in 1997 David Caporn was appointed but also had no luck finding the killer.

But the former head of WA’s prostitution task-force, Con Bayens, told Sunday Night that Macro’s secrecy and obsessive focus on one suspect derailed the investigation behind the scenes.

All victims of Perth's notorious Claremont serial killer, 27-year-old Ciara Glennon, 23-year-old Jane Rimmer, and 18-year-old Sarah Spiers were intelligent women who were abducted during a night out in Claremont, WA.
Their fateful nights unfolded with chilling similarity. They began with drinks at beachside Cottesloe and moved on to neighbouring Claremont. Both decided late in the evening to leave the pack and go it alone.
Ciara and Jane's bodies were both found dumped in bushland.

"The fact that the body was just dumped could mean a number of things. First and foremost it means he's arrogant... He wanted the body found," Paul Ferguson said.
The women were all similar in appearance and age and particular focus was given to taxi drivers in the hunt for the killer.
Bayens said he picked up a man in Highgate, an area notorious for prostitution, with all the hallmarks of a killer, but he was ignored by those in charge.
He stopped a man he believed to be loitering in an unmarked police car.

"The boot was lined in blue plastic. There was wire ties, a pair of pliers, some masking tape," Bayens said.
"We had one girl murdered, we had another one missing. He could have been the killer."
But Bayens said he was told by the head of the taskforce that they already had their man.

He never saw a response to the brief he prepared on the man in Highgate, despite his striking similarities to the killer profile.
"What happened in Highgate that night, what I saw that night, has haunted me for a lot of years," Bayens said.
The man Macro set its sights on was a public servant named Lance Williams.
Williams always maintained his innocence and after years of heavy scrutiny, including round-the-clock surveillance, he was simply dropped as a suspect without explanation.

As our program was going to air, WA police responded to our queries about the brief prepared by Bayens.

Read the full correspondence here.
They claim Bayens did receive a response, which he adamantly denies.
"This seems to me that the Macro task-force was a situation where police have really mucked up and now we have got a cover up, and that's the saddest part.
That they never said 'we made a mistake'."
Paul Ferguson says he wants to renew the search for the killer in the hope of finding justice and peace, particularly for Sarah's family.
Unlike the other women, Sarah Spiers was never found. Her father has spent nearly 20 years following every lead he can to locate her body.
"Most parents expect their children to go to their funeral," Ferguson said.
"When you raise a child and that person is in their late teens, early 20s, and they're murdered, the family have to...
 come to the realisation that they've lost their child, they've outlived their child and the trauma that the child went to prior to the death."
If you can help investigators, call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

 



https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/murder-victims-daughter-breaks-silence-on-mallard-injustice-ng-ya-197224

Murder victim's daughter breaks silence on Mallard injustice

ANGELA POWNALL

Sunday, September 26, 2010

The daughter of murdered Mosman Park jeweller Pamela Lawrence has spoken for the first time about her mother's death and the man wrongfully convicted of the crime.

Katie Kingdon told the ABC's Australian Story that police and prosecutors reassured her grieving family of their confidence that Andrew Mallard, whose conviction for murder was quashed by the High Court, was Mrs Lawrence's killer.

Mrs Kingdon said she and her family had still believed Mr Mallard was guilty of Mrs Lawrence's murder when he was released in 2006 after 12 years in jail and it did not occur to them that WA's justice system could fail so dismally.

"I have enormous regrets at how long it took me to realise that Andrew was innocent," she said. "I really want people to know that my family believe Andrew's innocent, 100 per cent, and we have nothing but regret for what he's been put through."

Mrs Kingdon said she was never angry towards Mr Mallard's family, but she could not understand his supporters' battle to see him exonerated.

"When there seemed to be this team around him of quite senior and important people working for his side, we were - we felt as though they were fighting to get Mum's killer out of jail," she said. "We felt as though no one cared what we'd been through and that he'd somehow convinced them of his innocence. At the time, it didn't occur to us that the justice system could have failed so dismally."

Mrs Lawrence was bludgeoned to death in her jewellery shop in 1994.

She was found by her husband Peter, who stopped his daughter from seeing the bloody horror of the attack.

"I couldn't see what was happening in there and (Dad) told me that Mum had been attacked," Mrs Kingdon said.

"Dad looked like he'd seen a ghost. He had no colour in him, but I still didn't think that it could be anywhere near as serious as it was."

Mrs Kingdon said police and prosecutors always made Mrs Lawrence's family feel "quite comfortable that they were doing everything they could to make sure Andrew stayed in jail".

A subsequent cold case review discovered a previously unidentified palm print left at the scene belonged to Simon Rochford, who was already behind bars for killing his girlfriend. Rochford committed suicide hours after learning he was a suspect in Mrs Lawrence's murder.

"I think I was just in shock. I just never expected this to happen. I really did have faith in the justice system until all this happened," Mrs Kingdon said.

Australian Story's two-part program The Wronged Man, will be broadcast on ABC1 tonight and next Monday at 8pm. The program also features interviews with Mr Mallard and two supporters who worked for his release, _The West Australian _journalist Colleen Egan and MP John Quigley.




He Who Waits  ABC Program Transcript: Monday, 9th February, 2004

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm#

CAROLINE JONES: Hello, I'm Caroline Jones. Tonight's story takes us inside Australia's longest-running and most expensive murder investigation. Eight years ago, three young women went missing from the wealthy Perth suburb of Claremont. Two of the girls were found murdered. The body of the third has never been discovered. Now some are suggesting that the subsequent disappearance of other young women from different areas of Perth could possibly be linked, an idea strongly rejected by the Claremont investigators. What's not in dispute is that the heartache and controversy surrounding the Claremont killings has not faded with time. Now pressure is building for a fresh approach.

ROBIN NAPPER – FORENSIC SCIENCE UNIT: People have to realise that serial killers don't walk around with horns sticking out of their head. They look like normal people. They look like your neighbour. But by night, that's when the really evil side comes out and they go off hunting and prowling for victims. And they simply just can't stop. They have to keep on and on. It's like food and water, to us.

So, there is this compulsion to kill and to keep on killing and to get better and better each time that they do it. They can't take victims unless they can actually get close to victims and be friendly and actually lure them into cars or take them away. So, the persona they will present to the world is one of a very friendly - maybe a little bit offbeat, maybe a little bit strange, but nevertheless a non-dangerous person.

BRET CHRISTIAN – EDITOR, POST NEWSPAPERS: Claremont was never looked on as a dangerous place. Claremont's a well-heeled area which has something of an entertainment centre. There's a nightclub and a hotel there. In the mid-1990s, three girls in a fairly short space of time went missing after visiting those nightspots.

Well, it totally traumatised our backyard. The girls had been there probably as kids shopping with their mothers, and then at night they would go there, you know, for fun, to have a few drinks, meet some friends, and suddenly it became a hellhole, somewhere where people disappeared from.

DON SPIERS: Sarah had been at Club Bayview in Claremont with friends of hers. When she left, her friends weren't ready to go, so she left early to make a phone call for a taxi. When the taxi-driver arrived she was not there. It was probably only three minutes after the appointment. Well, initially you like to presume that there's something minor wrong and that, you know, everything will work out - that maybe she's gone with friends somewhere and hasn't been able to return. But we knew that there was something serious wrong because Sarah just simply would not fail to communicate with us under any circumstances. You know, our love was so strong that she wouldn't do that to us, you know?

CAPTION: Sarah Spiers disappeared about 2am on 27th January 1996. She has never been found.

DON SPIEARS: People ask me, "How do you cope?" And you don't "cope" - you learn to preoccupy yourself. I mean, I keep myself so busy that my mind's occupied all the time. I only have to have two or three hours off and I start to, you know, become a bit depressed. My day starts at 5:00 in the morning and I very rarely knock off before 8:00 in the evening. I admit now - I've always sort of probably been accepted as a fairly...fairly strong and rugged sort of a character, but, um, you know, I confess I cried myself to sleep for over 12 months in the initial... in the initial journey. And, you know, I'm not ashamed. Not ashamed of that at all.

CAPTION: On 9th June 1996, four months after Sarah Spiers vanished, Jane Rimmer disappeared in similar circumstances. Believing there was a connection, the next day police set up the MACRO Task Force.

TREVOR RIMMER: The police came round and they told me that, um... .that they'd found Jane's body. And, um... .that was the... the end of the night. That just... Everything broke down. That was just so hard. Because at that time, I guess, we were still hoping against hope, in our hearts... .that she was still alive...even though we knew in our heads that the odds were very much against it.

JENNY RIMMER: You wonder when it happens, "Why was it my daughter that night?" I mean, which is not a very nice thing to say, but you naturally think that. And I think she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. You know, it could've been anyone. I just couldn't believe it.

CAPTION: Two months later, Jane Rimmer’s body was found.

POLICE RE-CREATION: On 14 March, just over a week ago, was a night just like this. Ciara Glennon left the hotel that's just behind me and hasn't been seen since. She's the third young woman that this has occurred to in 14 months in this area.

DENIS GLENNON – PRESS CONFERENCE: Only now do I even begin to understand, um, the terrible trauma that the parents of Jane and Sarah went through, and...and the degree of empathy that I have with them now is just enormous. No parent who loves their child, even a child of 28 like Ciara was, can even begin to comprehend the devastating thing that this is in any family.

CAPTION: Nine months later, in march 1997, a third girl, Ciara Glennon went missing from Claremont.

NEWS REPORT: We want to move quickly to see if we can get information while it is fresh in people's minds. 

NEWS GRAB: We certainly have fears that there is a serial killer at loose in Perth. 

NEWS REPORTER: Police are collecting body specimens from potential suspects. NEWS GRAB: It wasn't, like, a prostitute or anything - just a normal family girl. It's really quite terrifying.

DET. SGT PAUL COOMBES – MACRO TASK LEADER: The State of Western Australia, I believe, was in a state of shock upon the disappearance of Ciara Glennon. For three people to disappear from relatively safe streets without a trace was very disturbing.

The investigation has continued full-time for over seven years, and that in itself is very unique. It is the biggest ever in this State and in the history of WA policing, and possibly the largest investigation ever conducted in Australia.

DAVID CAPORN – HEAD MACRO TASK FORCE: I think one of the very tangible ways that this crime could be solved is in the tracing of the particularly significant items of jewellery that are missing in relation to this case.

DET. SGT LEE: What I'm showing you now is replicas of the clothing worn by all of the girls on the night of their disappearance, firstly starting with Sarah's clothing. And in particular we'd like to locate a key ring, a sunflower key ring. Um, most notable with Jane's clothing and property is the small bag. And with Ciara's clothing, the most notable is the small brooch.

DAVID CAPRON: Those are the sort of pieces of information that could assist the task force to resolve this matter.

NEWS REPORTER: Amid growing fears the killer would strike again soon, a breakthrough - MACRO Task Force detectives swooping on a suspect at 3 o'clock Sunday morning as he prowled around Claremont streets in his car.

BRET CHRISTIAN: There is a man that the police have been watching from very early on in the investigation, and he appears to be a prime suspect. Vast amounts of resources have gone into watching his every movement, to following him, to surveilling him in all sorts of different ways.

JENNY RIMMER: Well, the only thing I can say is that if he had nothing to do with it, I feel really sorry for him. If they're so confident, I can't understand why he hasn't been charged. There's obviously something lacking after, like, seven years. They still can't put their finger on it, so it's very hard to comprehend.

BRET CHRISTIAN: I think our community's been lulled into a false sense of security by the - sort of the sly nod and the wink that, "Look, we really know who's done this. We've been watching him. "And since we've been watching him there's been no other murders." That's actually wrong. There HAVE been other murders - just not any more in Claremont.

DAVID CAPORN: We can't eliminate the possibility that there is another crime that's been committed that's linked to the Claremont crime, but there is no indication of any significance that we have had a linked one since Ciara Glennon's disappearance and, ultimately, her murder. Certainly, there have been times when the media have led the community to believe that we're only interested in one person. I can assure you that we've looked far and wide, and that as every year goes by, several people are looked at very closely.

JENNY RIMMER: I don't think it'll be solved. I think too much time has gone past. They should have caught the person by now. We know there are other girls that have gone missing, and... .I mean, I haven't heard much about a lot of those other girls.

ROBIN NAPPER: You cannot divorce the three missing girls from Claremont with all the other missing people, because it's unsolved. He's still out there.

CAPTION: At 5pm on November 8 2000, Sarah McMahon left her workplace in Claremont. She said she was going to meet a friend. She vanished without a trace. Ten days later her car was found at the Swan District Hospital.

TRISH MCMAHON: The police said no, it had nothing to do with the Claremont girls missing. We just didn't have to even think about that. It was nothing to do with that at all. But they said because of the circumstances of Sarah's disappearance, that it was highly likely that Sarah had been murdered or that she was dead. I took it the only way I could - I don't believe it. I want facts.

I don't want to have to deal with what the police THINK. I want to be able to have tangible facts. People say, "Well, you know, it's been three years, you know. "You have to get on with your life." How can we? How can we? There are so many unanswered questions.

DON SPIERS: You know, people that perpetrate these sort of activities have no...no grasp of the torment and pain that they put families through. If they could just have a bit of an insight as to what they've done to numerous people... It's not just the families - like, the brothers, sisters and parents - but there's the uncles, the cousins, the aunties, the grandparents.

JENNY RIMMER: But it's also impacted on a lot of our friends and our relations. 
We pour three glasses of champagne and an extra one for Janie, and we drink ours and enjoy it, and then we pour hers on the plaque. My girlfriends and I do that quite often, actually, on her birthday - go down there with the Blush champagne, which was her favourite. 
We...that makes you feel really good. I think, anyway. Mmm.

DON SPIERS: Our situation's a little bit different to the Glennons' and the Rimmers', because their two girls have been found. We still haven't had either of the questions answered as to where Sarah is and what's actually happened to her. Another big problem that we've had has been clairvoyants. They have been a huge torment to myself and my family in giving cryptic clues as to where Sarah might be. I remember one night early days I was down Salter Point, you know, thrashing around the swampy areas down there at 11 o'clock at night. Um...probably walking around bawling my eyes out and getting nowhere. I mean, a lot of times I've known I shouldn't have listened, but I've always thought that maybe they're using that excuse of being a clairvoyant to give me some honest facts.

TRISH MCMAHON: I've been to Melbourne, put up posters in Melbourne. I've been to Sydney, going out with the soup van. My son's travelled up the coast putting up posters. We've done as much as we can. I don't know what else to do... ..you know? I haven't got the resources. I just haven't got the resources. I...I want to be out there now.

BRET CHRISTIAN: There are about 16 murders or disappearances of women since the late 1980s that remain unsolved in Perth. That's something that hasn't really registered in the public mind - that the 16 disappearances, or a large proportion of those, could be the work of one person. I think MACRO should live up to its name and go and look at the really big picture again and try and connect the dots.

ROBIN NAPPER: The UK police service learnt a very painful lesson in the 1970s with the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe. He was found almost by accident. Because of information overload, they'd been chasing other leads down the wrong path and they'd missed him, and lives could have been saved. As a result of that, one of the recommendations was the creation of the National Crime Faculty, who would do independent case reviews, so in the future when complex murder investigations occurred, an independent team would come in and look at the whole case independently to get another perspective on the investigation.

An independent case review will bring in experts from all the different fields - geographic profilers, forensic profilers, different pathologists, different investigators. And the host force gives them the material, then they literally stand back and leave them to it to do the whole review. This Claremont case has now remained unsolved for eight years, and in my view it's almost crying out for a full, comprehensive case review where we get experts from round the world, we look at world's best practice, and we adopt it to this case to try and solve it once and for all.

DAVID CAPORN: I don't know of any other investigation that has been audited and reviewed as much as the MACRO investigation. We have employed people in this State and also people in other parts of Australia with significant homicide investigation background, particularly in relation to serial crime, to conduct comprehensive reviews of the inquiry. Other things that we've done is to employ investigators within this State to review particular streams of evidence, so rather than give them the whole investigation review, we'll give them bite-sized pieces. We've also sent our case file to numerous experts throughout the world - United Kingdom, United States - allowing those people full access to our information to get opinions, views.

ROBIN NAPPER: It's how you look at the word "review". A complex investigation is like a huge jigsaw puzzle, and you cannot solve that by sending one piece of the jigsaw puzzle off to an expert overseas and asking him to tell you what the picture is. The whole point of an independent review is, you get everyone together at the same time and at the same place with the same material. That's the synergy that's solved some of the most complex murders since the Yorkshire Ripper case.

COMMANDER ANDY BAKER – HEAD HOMICIDE: Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees. You're so close to it, you may have tunnel vision. So, you need someone to come in and say, "Step back." We have found it's been difficult for other offices, whether in the UK or across the world, to accept others coming in, but the parameters are that this is a search for truth every single time. It may hurt someone, but it's got to be a search for the truth, 'cause the truth will come out.

ROBIN NAPPER: There is so much help in there, like the National Crime Faculty in the UK, who are experts and skilled in these case reviews, who, without a doubt, would come and help in this case review.

DAVE BARCLAY: We're certainly supporting MACRO here at National Crime Faculty, but with some specific things that we have that other people don't, like the injuries database. It would be fair to say that we have not made an effective contribution to MACRO. I've had a go at it. A colleague of mine who's a specialist advisor has had a go too. We just don't have enough information at this distance.

PAUL COOMBES – MACRO TASK FORCE: I believe that the investigation team itself are still very well positioned to be able to resolve the matters. We're very confident in the advances in forensic technology, and that is one of the reasons why we have instigated a forensic review to go back to the beginning and look at what we do hold on this case. We believe that that may, with what we hold, open the case up to enable us to get to a stage where we can prosecute.

DAVE BARCLAY – NATIONAL CRIME FACULTY: Most opportunities arise from lack of thought, not lack of technology. When you look at it, it isn't DNA that solves these crimes. It's basic reassessment of the crime scene by somebody else. Helps a lot.

COMMANDER ANDY BAKER: I think if the Claremont case had been investigated in the UK, I'm not confident that it would've been detected in the UK, either. Now, from what we've seen of what's been done, it's been pretty good and pretty extensive. The thing that HASN'T been done, I think, is this giant workshop where we all get together.

The review system certainly has brought success around locking up the guilty. And more importantly, there's families that have had unanswered questions. At least we've answered some of those questions, and I've actually seen some families and communities, a weight removed from them. And as time goes on, they're a bit more at peace with what happened to their loved one.

DON SPIERS: The police that have been involved with us have been absolutely outstanding in the way that they've conducted themselves and gone out of their way to assist us. You know, even the guys that are still on the case today are always right behind us. I mean, there's no question that doesn't get answered. If I've got a problem, I tell them what it is and they make sure that I've got an answer. They're...they've been remarkable.

PAUL COOMBES: On a personal level, I suppose it is with you the whole time. I've got to know Don, in particular, fairly well and I do feel very close to him. At times it is very frustrating for me not being able to...talk to Don about where Sarah is. And we've spoken a number of times about that day, should and when we do locate Sarah - you know, how we would deal with it.

BRET CHRISTIAN: I think it's more like the Eric Cooke saga than people believe, and I think we'll find out one day that it very closely approximates that dreadful period of serial killings through the same residential area that happened in the 1960s. The women who were killed and injured by Eric Cooke - at the time that they happened, the police made public statements saying, "It's not the work of the same person." Later on, it was discovered that he was using all sorts of different methods of locating and murdering the women. He was running them down with cars, he was stabbing them, he was attacking them with axes and he was shooting people. So, there seems to be a Hollywood myth that serial killers use only one method, they operate in only one area, and that stamps them as that particular killer.

DAVID CAPORN: We can only do everything within our power to complete the investigation and hopefully have a successful resolution. It's not crystal ball stuff. It's not about a 1-hour television program where the crime occurs, you put your resources in and at the end of the show it's solved - it's just not as simple as that. But it's a matter of history that all over the world there will be crimes that are not resolved.

JENNY RIMMER: I don't feel revenge. I don't think that does any good. But I'd just like to know...you know, maybe how it all happened and who it was and...save some other poor young girl from going through the same thing.

DON SPIERS: There's probably not an hour of any day that passes that I don't think of Sarah. Until the day that she is found, there'll never be closure. No matter what the circumstances, I would like to have someone come forward. I don't want clairvoyants, but if there's someone out there that knows where our Sarah is, for them to come forward and tell me...somehow.

CAPTION: W.A. Police say there have been 10 independent reviews of ‘MACRO’, including one in the UK and four in the USA. Later this year after the current forensic review, police will ask overseas experts to conduct another comprehensive review.

Crime Stoppers: 1800 333 000




Former Macro Take Force Boss Paul Ferguson was in about 1997 removed by the the then Western Australian Police Commissioner Robert Falconer, who was the former head of the well known to be corrupt Victorian Drug Squad, from being the Macro Take Force Boss and replaced by Inspector David Caporn, who was later made Assistant Commissioner, until David Caporn had to resign from the Western Australian Police Force be cause of a ruling of the High Court of Australia that set aside the murder conviction of Andrew Mallard, because the High Court stated that the evidence that Inspector David Caporn
 put together to that was the basis of Andrew Mallard's murder conviction was false and manufactured evidence
                                        
   Former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn, who had been named in Western Australian Parliament as being corrupt. and serious questions have been asked as to whether  former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn was seriously trying to catch and arrest the real Claremont Serial Killer or Killers.... 
......one would expect there to be more than one person involved in the 
Claremont Serial Killings....




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'Don't worry about it, we've got our man': Is this the moment police let the Claremont Killer

walk free because they were too focused on tying another man to the crime?

  • The Claremont Killer serial murders is a notorious Australian cold case
  • Three women were abducted in 1996 and 1997 from the Perth suburb
  • The cases were all strikingly similar, yet the killer has never been found
  • A former detective speaks out about a potential suspect who walked
  • Says investigators were fixed on one man, rejected all other possibilities
  • Con Bayens recalls a chilling incident which set off alarm bells
  • Case is Australia's longest running and most expensive investigation 

The Claremont killer, who abducted and murdered three young blonde women, was never captured and could still be walking the streets almost 20 years on – and it's suggested police may have let the culprit go.

Taskforce Macro have been investigaing the Perth serial murders in what has become Australia's longest running and most expensive active man hunt

The FBI, Nassar and a former Mossad agent have been called on to assist - yet the person or people responsible remain at large.

The bodies of Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ciara Glennon, 27, were found dumped in bushland in 1996 and 1997 respectively.

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Despite ongoing investigation Taskforce Macro the mass murderer who killed three women in affluent Perth suburb Claremont hasn't been found

Despite ongoing investigation Taskforce Macro the mass murderer who killed three women in affluent Perth suburb Claremont hasn't been found


Jane Rimmer's (left) body was found in 1996 two months after she disappared, Ciara Glennon's (right) was found just under three weeks after her 1997 disappearance



However, the body of the first victim, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers is yet to be found after she disappeared from a pub in the affluent Perth suburb of Claremont on Australia Day in 1996.

Police officers have now spoken out to allege the investigations were bungled, with potential suspects allowed to walk and key pieces of evidence disregarded.

A terrifying encounter with a sinister man in a car equipped with 'abduction tools' has been pinpointed as a potential moment the police allowed a prime suspect to walk away without inquiry, as they were too focused on a man they believed to be the killer.

'It seems to me the Macro taskforce was a situation where the cops really mucked up and now we've got a cover up. And that's the saddest part, that they've never said 'we made a mistake', said former West Australian officer Con Bayens.




Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer both disappeared after spending time at Bayview Terrace in Perth's Claremont (pictured). Ciara Glennon had been at another establishment in the precinct, just 200 metres away

The former head of WA's prostitution taskforce says police looking for the Claremont serial killer in the 1990s and 2000s were dismissive of a suspect because they were too focused on trying to tie another man to the crime.

In 2008 the man, public servant Lance Williams, was finally dismissed as a suspect after years of round-the-clock surveillance.

Mr Bayens fears investigators failed to adequately probe potential suspects he encountered while running his taskforce between July 2000 and August 2002.

One particularly harrowing night has 'haunted' him 'for years' and Mr Bayens is adamant the disturbing man he found was never properly investigated by the taskforce.

The former head of WA's prostitution taskforce Con Bayens believes the taskforce missed crucial opportunities to explore suspects - including a suspicious character he encountered in 2002

Mr Bayens recalls the chilling night he pulled over a man during an undercover operation in Highgate in 2002 - 11 kilometres away from Claremont.

The boot was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction.

The driver was questioned but Mr Bayens does not know why he was cleared in inquiries by officers on Task Force Macro, which was set up to investigate the killings.

The boot was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction

Mr Bayens said the head investigator into the killings had rejected his offer to pass on information from the undercover operation, which was uncovering people every night 'and every one of them had the potential to be the Claremont serial killer.'

However, his offer was rejected by the chief investigator, to his astonishment.

'He said, 'Don't worry about it, Con, we've got our man.' And those words will stick with me forever,' he said.

'That just hit about 10 on my weird s***-o-meter.'

WA Police insist they looked into the sinister man Mr Bayens encountered, but the former constable insists the enquiry never took place.


12 years after her disappearance, CCTV footage of Jane Rimmer outside Claremont's Continental Hotel was finally released. She ran into a man she seemed to recgonise just minutes before she disappeared

'What happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I'd love to see the proof,' he said.

Police still believe they will find the killer, who abducted and murdered the women after they partied at nightspots in the affluent suburb of Claremont.

The three disappearances were extremely similar – as former Ferguson puts it 'they each got into the wrong car and it cost them their lives.'

Investigators believe the women trusted the drivers of the vehicles so focussed their attention on taxi drivers –taking DNA samples from thousands of registered cab drivers in the city.

The three disappearances were extremely similar – as former Ferguson puts it 'they each got into the wrong car and it cost them their lives' (the taskforce pictured in the 1990s)

The three disappearances were extremely similar – as former Ferguson puts it 'they each got into the wrong car and it cost them their lives' (the taskforce pictured in the 1990s)

The women disappeared in 1996 and 1997 in the ritzy western Perth suburb, Claremont in an area that was a hub of activity.

Sarah Spiers was just 18 years old when she became the first victim in the Claremont serial murders.

She left a nightclub in Claremont, Club Bayview, on Australia Day 1996 and called for a cab from a payphone at 2.06. By the time the taxi arrived at 2.14am, she had disappeared. Her body has never been found.

On June 6 of that year childcare worker Jane Rimmer, 23, disappeared from the same Claremont pub – Club Bayview after declining a lift with friends.

Her body was found two months later August 3 in dense bushland south of Perth. She was found naked, partially decomposed and covered with leaves and twigs.

The third incident occurred early the following year on March 15, 1997. Ciara Glennon, a 27-year-old lawyer, disappeared from Claremont's Continental Hotel, just 200 metres from Club Bayview in the same party precinct.

She wandered out onto the Sterling Highway, potentially in search of a taxi. A witness told police they saw her talking to someone in a car. When the witness looked back a moment later, Ciara and the car were both gone.


Sarah Spiers was just 18 years old when she became the first victim in the Claremont serial murders

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the police wil never and have never admitted that they make mistakes thats the main reson ppl dont trust them anymore they seem to think their infalable

I thought it was just Victoria Police that were useless!!!

The Police are bungling idiots. No wonder the culprit has never been caught. Caper Cops, I'd call it.

I lived in that area during that time and the cops really did stuff this whole thing up BIG TIME.

Typical police



Mark Philip Dixie who was also known as Shane Taylor, 
has left a world-wide trail of shattered lives - and several possible murder victims.


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Revealed: Violent past of Sally Anne's killer - and how he may have struck before

Last updated at 21:14 22 February 2008



Mark Dixie has left a world-wide trail of shattered lives - and several possible murder victims.

In Britain, he was responsible for a series of violent sex attacks on women.

In Spain, he was suspected of battering and molesting three women within minutes.

And while he was working as a chef in Perth, Western Australia, there were three unsolved killings of attractive young women.

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Police believe Mark Dixie may have committed other serious crimes in Australia


He was also involved in several incidents of violence or perverted behaviour. But he managed to avoid leaving any crucial DNA evidence and was deported back to Britain - to murder Sally Anne Bowman.
Sally Ann Bowman 

Sally Ann Bowman,  was brutally murdered by Mark Philip Dixie, who is also known as Shane Taylor, who a witness says was working in with powerful, corrupt and evil  police and  business people, who gave Mark Philip Dixie the Green Light to commit what ever crimes he wanted to.... as long as Mark Philip Dixie 
abducted and murdered certain selected innocent attractive females under orders  of these powerful, corrupt and evil  police and  business people .. A witness that the Western Australian Police, the Western Australian Attorney General the Hon. Michael Mischin MLC LLB (Hons), BJuris (Hons) , the Western Australian Premier, Colin Barnett, the Western Australian Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan, and the Western Australian Minister of Police, Liz Harvey,  are not interested in even talking to, or knowing what the witness can and will say ... says that these powerful, corrupt and evil  police and  business people in Western Australia used the handsome very good womaniser, Mark Philip Dixie, to lure the innocent victims from the well known Claremont Night stop to a his car, and also was given a undercover police badge as an extra tool to make the women fell more safe getting into his unmarked police car ...and form then hooded and tied up and take to a place where they were sexually used and the most horrific ways, then, when those involved had finished used their girl's bodies, they were then given to Mark Philip Dixie, who is also known as Shane Taylor, to be murdered in the most gruesome way...  as Mark Philip Dixie, who is also known as Shane Taylor ... sated at his trial of the murder of Sally Ann Bowman .... he like dot have sex with women after they are dead... as he said he did  with Sally Ann Bowman....


Mark Phillip Dixie was born in Balham, south London on September 24, 1970 to advertising manager Phillip Dixie and his wife Lesley. Eighteen months later the couple divorced and Dixie never saw his father again.


His mother remarried in 1980 and his stepfather Ronald McDonald regularly beat and abused him. Two years later, his mother dumped him on the doorstep of a children's home in Streatham and has never bothered to make contact since.

Dixie was taken into care and started his criminal career at 14 with a series of muggings in Plumstead. At 15 he was expelled from school for punching a teacher, and spent six weeks at a young offenders' unit as a punishment for vandalism.

At 16 he was referred by the children's home to a psychiatrist following concerns about his emotional problems and the effect of his heavy cannabis abuse on his mental state, which led to at least two indecent assaults on women.

At the home he met his first girlfriend, Sandra Beckhaus, and they moved in together to a flat in Plumstead where a Jehovah's Witness called one day. Dixie, then 17, punched her, fracturing her jaw, and grabbed her throat demanding sex. She managed to escape but said the attack by the 'monster' had ruined her life.

Dixie was jailed for six months for indecent assault and actual bodily harm in August 1988. Less than a year later he was given a community service order after exposing himself to two women.

In 1993 he went to Australia where he fathered two children with Sandra - neither of whom is now in contact with him. He overstayed his visa and faced deportation, so he disappeared and turned up with a new name.

When Dixie strolled into a cafe in Perth in January 1996, he introduced himself as Shane Turner, a top chef who had worked in restaurants around Europe and Australia. The owner, Anthony McMahon, hired him for £160 a week. Mr McMahon recalls: "He could be moody at times, but I put that down to him being a chef."

Dixie rented a flat a few miles away, near the coastal suburb of Claremont. Sarah Spiers, 18, went missing the same month that Dixie arrived at the cafe. Her body has never been found.

That June, Jane Rimmer, 23, was killed and her body was found in bushland two months later. Ciara Glennon, 27, was the last known victim and disappeared in March 1997. Her body was found north of Perth in bushland. All the women lived near Dixie.

That year Dixie was sacked after holding a knife to a waiter's throat. He got a new job at the Dunsborough Beach Lodge where he smoked huge amounts of cannabis in his quarters. Police suspect he loitered on the beachfront looking for victims and local papers at the time carried several reports of 'flashers'.

It later emerged that he broke into a flat yards from his home before stabbing and raping a Thai student, leaving her for dead.

Miraculously she survived to describe her ordeal, but Dixie managed to evade capture.

On January 1, 1999 a woman out running was horrified when a naked man jumped out of a car. When she screamed, he ran back to the car and drove off, but she gave police a full description of the vehicle.

They tracked Dixie down and he was deported on April 23, 1999. Crucially, British police were never told about his Australian offences. After his arrest for the Sally Anne Bowman murder, detectives from a Perth 'cold case' squad investigated Dixie. But without any DNA to link him to any of the cases, the inquiry had to be dropped.

Back in Britain, he was referred to Croydon mental health services by his GP after he complained of 'desperate thoughts' and said he feared he was going 'potty'.

He told doctors that he was suffering from insomnia, severe depression, mood swings, violent temper tantrums, anxiety attacks and fear of public places.

In one paranoid outburst, he punched a friend just because he approached him from the right.

But despite his deteriorating mental state, experts sent him off with anti-depressants and recommendations of counselling after Dixie convinced them that he would take up Tai Chi to soothe his troubled mind.

He never received any counselling because he failed to keep follow-up appointments and his case was closed by June 2002.

That month he began a relationship with 23-year-old Stacey Nivet and they moved to Spain where she became pregnant with a son.

On the Costa del Sol, police believe he robbed, battered and sexually assaulted three women in Fuengirola.

Returning to Britain in October 2003, Dixie and Miss Nivet moved into a flat on Blenheim Crescent, Croydon, ten doors from where he would attack Sally Anne. There is, however, no suggestion that Dixie ever met the would-be model.

The couple then moved to East Grinstead in East Sussex. After three stormy years together, their relationship broke down under the strain of Dixie's heavy cocaine habit, which took up most of his wages.

Miss Nivet, who said Dixie would often get rough and bite her, threw him out of their two-bedroom flat on September 1, 2005, just over three weeks before Sally Anne's death.

Dixie responded by leaving on a coach bound for Amsterdam to 'fulfil a lifelong dream' where he took cannabis, Ecstasy and cocaine while visiting prostitutes. He returned when he ran out of cash and went to stay with his cousin Anthony Down in Coulsdon, near Croydon.

On the night of Sally Anne's murder, Dixie tried to persuade Miss Nivet to take him back and celebrate his 35th birthday with him. But she refused. Furious, he went on a bender with friends consuming lager, wine, spirits, cocaine and cannabis.

By the time he arrived at the home of a friend where he planned to stay the night, he was desperate for sex, so he picked up a knife and walked into the night.

At 3.30am on September 25, less than an hour before Sally Anne died and four streets from the murder scene, a 36-year-old mother-of-three had her mobile phone stolen and was assaulted by a man police are convinced was Dixie.

Disturbed by a taxi, he ran off with her mobile phone and headed for his old stamping ground of Blenheim Crescent where, at 4.15am, he saw Sally Anne being dropped off by her boyfriend Lewis Sproston. Lying in wait behind a skip, he attacked the teenager yards from the safety of her front door.

He repeatedly bit her and knifed her seven times before sexually assaulting her as she lay dying.

Finally, he removed her underwear and handbag as souvenirs - just as he had during the attacks in Spain and Australia.

He calmly returned to a friend's flat where he had been staying, smoked a spliff and dozed off.

Six months to the day after the murder, he celebrated by filming himself committing a sex act in front of a newspaper bearing Sally Anne's image.

Dixie embarked on a new relationship with Kate McConaghie, a fellow-chef at the pub where he worked in Horley, Surrey. The 20-year-old blonde describes him as 'moody' but 'nice looking' and says he initially 'treated me like a princess'.

But before long he was viciously biting her during sex.

Miss McConaghie said: "When I learned he had been arrested for Sally Anne's murder and remembered how she had been bitten during the attack it sent a chill of fear and revulsion through me."

The Bowman murder team, meanwhile, were searching for Sally Anne's killer.

Although he had left a DNA sample at the scene, no match could be found on the national database as Dixie's previous convictions dated back before samples were routinely taken from suspects.

Then, last June, Dixie got drunk and became involved in a brawl in Horley. He burst into tears when Surrey Police arrested him and took a DNA sample. The killing spree was over.



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Mark Dixie's history of violence

At the age of 16, he was charged with indecent assault after allegedly putting a knife to a woman’s throat and fondling her breasts. Although the case was withdrawn in court, it was the first of many brushes with the law.

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Mark Dixie has a history of sexual violence dating back 20 years, the court heard.

In 1988, he was convicted of attacking a married mother-of-three after she knocked on the door of his flat in Plumstead, south-east London.

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was a Jehovah's Witness who had approached his then girlfriend several weeks before and the pair had struck up a relationship.

Mr Altman, prosecuting, said Dixie had punched the woman in the face before fumbling with his trousers and saying: "You're going to have to help me. I need it, I need it."

The barrister told the Old Bailey: "Understandably, the woman feared the defendant was intending to rape her."

After a struggle, he grabbed the woman by the neck, threatened to kill her and lifted her skirt with his knee.

She managed to escape and complained to the police. Dixie pleaded guilty to indecent assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

Ten years later, he was suspected of carrying out a "savage and sexual assault" on a Thai student in Perth, Western Australia.

The woman, who also cannot be named, was attacked by a man who leapt through a window of her house, wearing a stocking over his face and armed with a knife.

He ordered her to remove her top before forcing her to the ground and stabbing her repeatedly.

The woman collapsed unconscious and could not remember if she had been raped.

Her assailant was never charged but a breakthrough in DNA evidence was made last year when semen found in her underwear matched the profile of Dixie.

Mr Altman said that although Dixie was never charged or faced trial over the attack, his link to the Australia case was relevant to the murder of Miss Bowman.

"If you are satisfied on the evidence that Dixie violently attacked in 1988 and then 10 years later assaulted another woman in circumstances of extreme violence, then there is evidence which will assist you in concluding not only that this defendant sexually assaulted Sally Anne but also that it was he, and no one else, who murdered her by stabbing her to death before he had intercourse with her," he said

Model 'murdered by knifeman in search of sex'

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Neighbours heard Sally Anne Bowman screaming as she was attacked outside her home 

Model 'murdered by knifeman in search of sex'

Neighbours heard Sally Anne Bowman screaming as she was attacked outside her home 

12:01AM GMT 06 Feb 2008

A girl who dreamed of being a top model was murdered in her driveway by a knifeman determined to commit a violent sex act, a court has heard.

Sally Anne Bowman, 18, whose ambition was to appear on the front page of Vogue, was stabbed, bitten and sexually assaulted before and after she died.

The attack by 37-year-old chef Mark Dixie was so brutal that the blade of his knife passed through his victim's neck and abdomen, the Old Bailey was told.

Dixie admitted having sex with Miss Bowman after she had died while he was high on drink and drugs. But the convicted sex offender claimed he stumbled across her body and that she had been murdered by someone else.

Brian Altman, prosecuting, said of Dixie's defence: "The idea that in one and the same place there was not only a homicidal maniac who motivelessly stabbed a beautiful young woman to death but also a sex offender is a ludicrous claim borne out of desperation," he said.

"All you have to do is look at the state in which Sally Anne had been left after she was murdered to realise that, no matter how intoxicated the defendant claims to have been, having sexual intercourse with Sally Anne in that state and in those circumstances is simply beyond the pale as to be pure fiction."

Judge Gerald Gordon told the jury of seven women and five men that Dixie's admission that he had sex with the teenager might be regarded with revulsion but their responsibility was to decide if he had killed her.

On the first day of an expected four-week trial, the jury was given graphic details of the murder.

Miss Bowman's parents and two of her sisters were in court. One sister walked out as details and photographs of her sister's injuries were produced.

Mr Altman said that Dixie had armed himself with a knife "to commit a violent sex act", regardless of the identity of his victim.

Miss Bowman had celebrated her 18th birthday two weeks before she was attacked.

"Sally Anne Bowman's murder was motivated by sex," Mr Altman said. "He clearly murdered her for his own sexual gratification. There is no other way of describing it, other than to say that Sally Anne had been savagely and brutally killed."

Miss Bowman's naked body was discovered by a neighbour in Blenheim Crescent, Croydon, south London, on Sept 25, 2005. She had been dropped off by her boyfriend, Lewis Sproston, at about 4am after a night out in Croydon with her sister, Nicole.

As she walked to her front door she was attacked and although her screams were heard by several neighbours no one saw the killing.

A post mortem examination revealed that she had been stabbed seven times, bitten four times and suffered cuts to her arms and hands as she tried to fight off her attacker. She had been seriously sexually assaulted.

Mr Altman said the defendant's DNA was found on her body, his bloody fingerprint on her shoe and his bite marks on her face and body.

London-born Dixie, dressed in a black suit and blue tie, listened impassively, occasionally taking notes. The jury was told that he had spent several years in Australia in the 1990s before returning to Croydon in 2003.

Known as a "recreational drug user" with significant mood swings, the court heard that he had had several failed relationships, which produced three children.

Mr Altman said Dixie had turned 35 the night before Miss Bowman was murdered and had gone for a prolonged drinking session and taken two lines of cocaine with friends.

He was depressed about the breakdown of his latest relationship with his girlfriend, Stacey Nivet, with whom he had a son.

On the night of the murder, he stayed with a friend in Avondale Road, two streets from Blenheim Crescent, and was seen slumped on the sofa at 2.30am and then again at 10.30am, several hours after Miss Bowman's body was found.

Dixie was arrested in June 2006, at a pub in Horley, Surrey, where he worked as a chef. DNA swabs linked him to the crime scene, the jury heard.

Mr Altman said that police found a video dated March 2006, in which Dixie recorded himself committing a sex act in front of a newspaper bearing Miss Bowman's image.

He told the jury: "The defendant was reliving not just the sexual acts and other indignities he had performed on Sally Anne's body that night in September 2005 but he was also reliving killing her."

The trial continues.

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Mark Dixie: 20 years of sexual violence

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Mark Dixie, who lived an itinerant life high on drink and drugs, had a history of sexual violence dating back two decades before he murdered Sally Anne Bowman on the night of his 35th birthday.

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At the age of 16, he was charged with indecent assault after allegedly putting a knife to a woman’s throat and fondling her breasts. Although the case was withdrawn in court, it was the first of many brushes with the law.

ust a year later, he attacked a Jehovah’s witness, threatening the married mother-of-three with her life and ending up in jail for six months. 

The trained chef, now 37, committed three other sexual offences in the UK, assaulted a police officer and was charged with theft on eight different occasions.

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His criminal past was also international with DNA links to the “savage and sexual” attack of a Thai student in Western Australia and he was investigated in connection with the most notorious unsolved murders in Perth - the Claremont killings.

Police sources are sure he struck several times in Australia, as he travelled the length of the country in the 1990s. They are convinced Miss Bowman is not the first person he killed and believe if there is another victim, it would have been in Australia.

Miss Bowman’s killer lived through aliases, changing his name on at least four occasions to Mark McDonald, Steve McDonald, Mark Down or Shane Turner.

Born in Streatham on September 24, 1970, Dixie lived with his mother and step-father in south east London and started smoking cannabis at 14.

After two convictions for robbery in 1987, he was found guilty of indecent exposure and indecent assault in 1988 when he exposed himself to a woman and forced her to the ground.

Just a few months later, he attacked a woman who had struck up a relationship with his then girlfriend. Trapping the woman in the lift in his tower block in Plumpstead, south east London, he punched her in the face before rubbing his leg against hers.

“I definitely thought he was going to rape me,” she said. “He was holding my arms, I fought a lot and it was then that he hit me, it was my eye mostly and my upper jaw.

“After I struggled to my feet, he got hold of me by the throat with both of his hands. When we got outside, he told me not scream or else he would kill me.”

The woman - now in her 60s - escaped and Dixie was sentenced to six months in prison for indecent assault. In 1993, he moved to Australia with the girlfriend and their two sons, and they moved from Sydney to Queensland, Melbourne to Perth.

Arrested in 1999 for exposing himself, he was deported back to the UK and returned to Croydon. A year before he came home, a Thai student was set upon by a man with a knife who forced her to strip and nearly killed her. No one was ever caught.

But in 2006, a scientific breakthrough identified the DNA found in her underwear as belonging to Dixie. That same year, Dixie was named as suspect in the Claremont killings, where two women died and a third went missing in 1996 and 1997 in Perth. Again, no one has been convicted, but Dixie was cleared of any connection.

On his return to the UK, Dixie moved from working in one pub to another in south east London and Islington, never settling.

In 2003, he went to Spain to work in a restaurant with his new girlfriend Stacey Nivet, then only 19, who discovered she was pregnant. They came back in October 2003 just before she gave birth to their son and lived in Blenheim Crescent where Miss Bowman was murdered two years later.

Dixie and Miss Nivet separated in 2005 - just three weeks before the murder - although they continued to see each other and had a sexual relationship until April 2006.

He kept his violent past from the many women he met over the years, most of whom recalled a man who regularly smoked cannabis, took cocaine and ecstasy. They also described him as moody and unpredictable.

Another ex-girlfriend remembered him regularly drinking 10 pints at a time.

Miss Nivet, now 24, said they would “get a bit rough” when having sex after taking drugs, with him biting her on the neck and sides. Miss Bowman was found with four bite marks on her body.

Miss Nivet said he would “get angry at the slightest thing” but speaking to him only hours after he killed Miss Bowman he appeared his normal self.

He claimed to be “repulsed” by the murder, but refused to offer his DNA when local men were asked to do so to eliminate themselves from the inquiry.

A total of 1,170 men came forward. A few weeks after the killing, he went to Amsterdam but returned in January 2006. Six months after Miss Bowman’s death, he filmed himself committing a sex act in front of a newspaper bearing her image.

Nine months passed as police trawled through thousands of suspects, but it was only when Dixie was arrested in a drunken brawl in Crawley during the 2006 World Cup that his DNA was matched with evidence found at the scene.

Just five hours after his name came up on the DNA database on June 27, he was arrested in his chef whites at the Ye Old Six Bells in Horley, Surrey.

Officers asked if was mentally fit to be arrested and chillingly, he replied: “I must be mad to something like that, eh?”

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Call for DNA database after Mark Dixie jailed

12:01AM GMT 23 Feb 2008

A senior police officer called for a new nationwide DNA database after details emerged about how close killer Mark Dixie came to escaping justice for the murder of Sally Anne Bowman.

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Det Supt Stuart Cundy, who led the investigation, spoke out as Dixie was jailed for 34 years for murder.

He said every adult in Britain should be placed on a national register to help fight crime.

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The Association of Chief Police Officers responded by saying the"time was right" for formal discussions on the idea.

Tony Lake, the Chief Constable of Lincolnshire Police and chairman of Acpo's forensics panel, said: "It would have clear benefits as a crime-fighting tool. Other considerations involve cost and whether this is something we want as a society."

Dixie, 37, who stabbed the 18-year-old model seven times before having sex with her dying body, started attacking women while still a teenager.

He was deported from Australia in 1999 but, crucially, officials did not pass on any intelligence suggesting he was a danger, although he had been linked to at least two sex offences there.

British police are convinced Dixie has murdered before. Mr Cundy said: "I am all for a DNA register, set up with the appropriate safeguards.

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"If we had one, we could have identified Sally Anne's murderer in 24 hours, which means we could have protected everyone else out there."

The officer stressed this was a personal view, but his plea has the backing of Sally Anne's mother, Linda, who has previously petitioned for the move.

Dixie, a chef, killed Miss Bowman in what a pathologist described as the most "horrific" attack he had seen in his 20-year career. Judge Gerald Gordon said what Dixie had done was "so awful and so repulsive" it was not worth repeating at the Old Bailey as he sentenced him.

Although the evidence against Dixie was overwhelming, senior detectives believe he pleaded not guilty to have the "thrill" of his crime being played out in court.

Miss Bowman's family, including father Paul and sisters Danielle, Nicole and Michelle, cheered as the jury returned their unanimous guilty verdict after three and a half hours of deliberation. One shouted "rot in hell, pervert" as he was sent down.

Unidentified DNA was found on Sally Anne's body and matched to a 2001 sex offence, in which the DNA was also unrecognised. It was only found to be Dixie's by chance — nine months after the murder — when he was arrested in a brawl at a Sussex pub and police took a DNA sample.

They said that without the breakthrough it could have taken two years to track him down, once they had eliminated 22,500 names on a suspects' list.



UK LINK IN WESTERN AUSTRALIAN SERIAL MURDERS?

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/garyhughes/index.php/theaustralian/comments/uk_link_in_wa_serial_murders/

One of Australia’s longest-running serial murder investigations, the Claremont killings in Perth, has taken a new twist with the emergence of a suspect in Britain. The 35-year-old British man, who has been charged with the brutal murder of an 18-year-old girl, lived in WA at the time of the three unsolved Claremont murders. And there are intriguing similarities between the Perth murders and the killing in Britain. Perth police have asked for DNA records of the British suspect and are reportedly preparing to fly to London to question him. But if he does turn out to be the elusive Claremont serial killer, it will raise serious questions about how he was able to slip through the net, given he had been arrested for a sex offence in Perth about six years ago and deported.

Mark Dixie, a pub chef, was arrested in June and charged with the murder of 18-year-old model Sally Anne Bowman in the south London suburb of Croydon in 2005. He had been caught after providing a DNA sample to police following a pub punch-up earlier this year. The DNA sample tied him to the Bowman murder and an incident in south London in 2001, when he allegedly masturbated in front of a woman making a call from a public phone box.

The possible link between Dixie and the Claremont murders was revealed by a south London newspaper last week.

Sally Anne Bowman fits the profile of the three young women killed in Perth. All were attractive young blondes. And all were killed on their way home after being out at nightspots with friends.

Sally Anne was knifed to death, then sexually assaulted not far from her home. Bite marks were found on her body. Only two of the bodies of the Claremont murderer have been found. Police have always refused to reveal details of the cause of death or the injuries they suffered. Sarah Spiers, 18, disappeared in January 1996 and her body has never been found. Jane Rimmer, 23, was murdered in August 1996 and Ciara Glennon, 27, was killed in March 1997. Perth police have also always refused to say whether DNA of their killer was recovered from the bodies, although this seems likely because DNA testing has since been used to eliminate a number of suspects. It would also explain why Dixie’s DNA samples are being sent to Perth for testing.

According to the Perth Sunday Times, Dixie used the alias Shane Turner while working as a chef in Perth and other areas of WA in the 1990s. He became an illegal immigrant when he overstayed his visa and was eventually caught when he exposed himself to a woman in a telephone box about six years ago — the same type of crime he allegedly committed in London in 2001. He was deported back to the UK about six years ago.

WA police will only say that their contact with London police over Dixie was “standard practice of looking at perpetrators of major crimes and their possible links to offences that occurred in WA during their time here”. London police are believed to have already interviewed former friends of Dixie’s in WA.

If Dixie proves to be the Claremont serial killer, it will solve one of the intriguing aspects of the case — why the string of abductions and murders suddenly stopped. Most serial killers keep offending until they are caught.

Perth police had all but given up on ever catching the Claremont killer. In November 2004 a special panel comprising two Australian, two British and one US criminal experts was assembled to review all the evidence gathered to date in the investigation.  In September last year the Macro taskforce which had been working on the killings was scaled back and the investigation handed to a new cold case unit. 

Your Comments

David Daniel Ball
Mon 02 Oct 06 (02:14am)

I think this illustrates that cooperation between law enforcement of different nations .. and press, works. Still, I wonder how many more crimes might be solved through sharing databases of criminal DNA.

Jacqui_R
Mon 02 Oct 06 (09:12am)

I’m wondering how on earth some of these people get jobs? A tax file number is required if you’re to get work, also, I would have thought this guy was bound to have some sort of criminal record, if so, how did he manage to enter the country in the first place? you’d think some sort of flag would be raised?.

Jacqui_R
Mon 02 Oct 06 (10:59am)

Which still leaves the question of how he got in, in the first place, I would have thought this guy would have some sort of prior history, I know that in the case of Americans that have committed a felony, it shows on their passports, therefore they can be denied an entry visa, if this doesn’t apply to other countries it should, the last thing we need is criminals from other countries coming in and committing crimes here. Co-operation between law agencies of various countries is all well and good, but we need it to happen before the fact, not after a crime has been committed.

animal
Mon 02 Oct 06 (11:25am)

It would be interesting to know if there were bite marks found on the bodies of the 2 victims here. These 2 bodies were also found at opposite ends of the Perth metro area, not too far from the main freeway that runs through Perth. Therefore it makes sense that if the suspect was a tourist then he dumped the bodies close to a main road and where the residential area was getting sparser. I really hope the DNA does match as this has been 10 years since the killings and the investigation has gone nowhere. There has been a suspect watched intensely for at least the last 5 years (detectives watching his house 24/7 early on) and this was mainly on the basis that he was a loner who used to drive around the city at all hours and saw one of the victims on the night she disappeared. He also lived in the suburb next to Claremont. The intense scrutiny and focus on this individual has cost thousands of dollars and it will make the WA Police look real bad. Especially considering the head of the Macro task force was recently suspended from duty for the for the handling of the Andrew Mallard case. In this case, Mallard was convicted on circumstantial evidence, and recently got released from jail after new evidence proved he didn’t do it.

Anne
Mon 02 Oct 06 (12:14pm)

I was living in WA and in my late teens when the serial killings begain the in mid 90’s. It was a really scary time especially for women who were going out at night. I have always hoped they would have some kind of breakthrough with this case. Thanks for keeping us updated.

Criminologist
Mon 02 Oct 06 (12:49pm)

What would you say if the WA Police had suspects and they weren’t watching them?

How loud would the outcry be if one of these were the murderer and the Police had not kept them under observation?

It may not be pleasant, but no doubt, it is necessary.

cathy
Mon 02 Oct 06 (03:49pm)

This bit I don’t understand and hope that someone can clarify. 
In the “which Shorty” case the DNA was flown to UK for more exhaustive DNA testing than capable here (according to the newspapers).

I don’t understand why it can’t be done in this case?

ian
Mon 02 Oct 06 (05:27pm)

The primary suspect seemed to have been followed around the clock for a very long time.  His life became unliveable.  If it turns out not to be him, we are in for the mother of all compo payments.

Jacqui_R, I think he would have no problem getting in and out of the country.  Our immigration policies seem to be more racial than qualitative!

Kim
Mon 02 Oct 06 (09:18pm)

All I can think is that if the police checked immigrants leaving Perth around that time the killings stopped & took a close look at why they have left ie deported, maybe the life of that young UK girl could have been saved.

fed up
Mon 02 Oct 06 (11:15pm)

Here we go again, remember little Jon Benet, perhaps we should all wait for DNA results before there is any more speculation.  There should be some consideration for the families involved (ie victim’s families). They have probably got their hopes up again and they will be (possibly) dashed.  I know this stuff sells newspapers but pleeaassee have a bit of consideration for victims families.

Grandfanali
Tue 03 Oct 06 (12:43am)

Jacqui_R: Australia has MILLIONS of visitors a year, millions, so checking all of them who wish to come here is impossible. Think of how many tourists show up all round the country each and every day, and then try to imagine a system that could keep up with that sort of inflow of information with accuracy and competence. THEN try to imagine the government paying for it. As we see here, it doesn’t work.

Jonny
Tue 03 Oct 06 (02:40am)

Her name is spelt Sally Anne Bowman - not Sally Ann.

charles hedbring
Tue 03 Oct 06 (09:29am)

As a tourist staying near Fremantle at the time, I for one can attest that the police were doing their job re the Claremont slayings. I was sunbathing on a beach near Woodmans Point and was approached one afternoon by three policeman. Courteous and pleasant, they just chatted with me a few moments (where I was from, where I was staying, my name, how was I enjoying my vacation) and then moved on south along the beach. Just doing their job....

LeastDone - WA Police & Sexual Assault
Thu 05 Oct 06 (01:02pm)

Hi Gary, 
Can “we” put pictures up with our posts?

LeastDone - WA Police & Sexual Assault

AussieinUK
Fri 06 Oct 06 (11:50pm)

Am following this story with interest. Was in my early 20s in Perth when the Claremont muders happened. My female friends and I were very wary of going out by ourselves and made sure no-one walked to their cars at night unaccompanied after that.

Since have been living in the UK and rather scarily lived in the very street in Croydon where Sally Anne was murdered. So got the shock of my life watching the news in Perth the other night and seeing the link between the two cases.

Dr. Phibes
Mon 09 Oct 06 (11:26pm)

I believe Sarah Spiers is in water either in Ankatel (south)or north of Wanneroo.And Sarah Mc Mahon is near Mundaring Wier.Just a feeling i get. Andyinwa@hotmail.com

author
Tue 10 Oct 06 (11:27am)

Hi Gary. I’m a true crime author now finishing a book on the Claremont serial killings for an Australian publishing company. I read this site with interest. If anyone has any stories to share re Claremont I’ll gladly take them. My deadline is three weeks. 

author
Wed 11 Oct 06 (11:17am)

Thanks Garygrin

MightBeWorthAdding
Thu 12 Oct 06 (03:11am)

Actually, the ABC’s ‘Australian Story’ did a special on the Claremont serial killings a few years back and some of the victim’s parents expressed consternation at the police attitude that the Claremont serial killer just “suddenly stopped”. It was pointed out that it isn’t true that there have been no other disappearances/unsolved murders of women besides these three. Other young women in Perth or near Perth have also disappeared in highly suspicious circumstances - and after Ciara Glennon in 1997 too.

Some of the families of the other missing young women were concerned by the police insisting their daughter’s disappearances were definitely not connected to the Claremont serial killings. Understandably, in my opinion. Isn’t it a bit short sighted?  Claremont’s just one small suburb. It’s crazy to think every other missing young woman couldn’t have met the same horrible fate too. Why shouldn’t other missing women be considered possible victims too? Just because they either didn’t have blonde hair or didn’t go missing in Claremont? That’s assuming a lot.

I’m glad they are apparently looking at new suspects though - stories like this renew my faith in the police and I hope and pray that the serial killer will be caught eventually.

Dr.Phibes
Sat 21 Oct 06 (01:11am)

I met Sarah Mc Mahon in early nov 2000. She came to my place for a visit with 2 friends on a Friday.I saw her on the Sunday afterwards. She disappeared on the day after Melbourne Cup in Nov 2000. The Police flew their chopper (Polair 61) over my 1/2 acre place near the Swan Valley, as cause i had met her.They bugged my phone for a while. I have had a woman giving me probs for ages. Don`t ya hate that, ppl accusing ya of bopping sum 1 off then annoying ya to hell thinking they can do that & sleep ok?Andy. PS:  ffs, some ppl do not learn to leave some ppl alone.

missclaudia
Fri 27 Oct 06 (10:27pm)

The WA police force has a deplorable record of investigating the disappearance of and attacks on woman in Perth.

When the Birnies were hunting girls in the ‘80s, the police, despite credible and consistent reports from families and friends of the missing girls, refused to take the disappearances seriously. I was, at the time, a neighbour of one the murdered girls and heard first-hand the appalling treatment that her parents received at the hands of police. They accused the missing 15 year old, a straight A student with no problems and good references, of variously being a run-away, a prostitute, troubled, drug addled and attention-seeking.

All this in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary from fellow students, teachers, the parents, various teen counsellors and her neighbours.  The police, either too incompetent or too shiftless to act, upped the ante against the teenager, accusing her of being an accomplished scammer and liar, experienced in hiding aberrant behaviour behind an angelic facade.

In fact, this poor young child was an innocent teenager, being brutally assaulted, and latterly murdered, by the Birnies.

Young women have been routinely disappearing from Perth streets since the early 80s and the police have resolutely refused to do anything about it.

The reason that the police have been brought to account, and their ineptitude exposed, more recently is that two of the parents of the missing Claremont girls had the political clout to compel the police to firstly, act and secondly, tacitly admit that they were, and had always been, out of their depth in major criminal cases.

Whilst no public statements have been issued by the international experts called in to assist WA police, it is well known by journalists that many of these experts were horrified by the lack of police process, diligence and expertise in the early stages of this investigation.

The fact that the police continue to dismiss further disappearances of women is not surprising given that at times their desire to cover their ineptitude and plain laziness has by far outweighed their commitment to preventing any further incidences.

If this UK fellow does turn out to be the Claremont killer then the police will have some serious questions to answer, not the least of which will be why they continued to harass and bully suspects long past the date when ANYONE believed the suspects had a case to answer.

I fervently hope that the Spiers can bury Sarah, that Julie Cutler’s parents find out where she is, that Ciarra and Jane’s family can at last walk down Perth streets without peering into the faces of every male they pass and that Sarah McMahon’s mother can at least know if her daughter is dead or alive.

Goldie
Sat 04 Nov 06 (05:38pm)

Hello Gary, 
Did the police ever come up with a clear profile for the killer (or killers) of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer?
 
I wonder why they’ve never stated one way or the other whether they have any DNA of the killer/s? What advantage could there be in holding this back from the public?  - Goldie

Linda Bowman
Fri 10 Nov 06 (12:17pm)

i am the mother of SALLY ANNE BOWMAN, my 18year old daughter was murdered on 25th september 2005. she was brutally stabbed to death and sexually assaulted. i keep reading about the clairmont murders in perth western australia, but to my knowledge no! D.N.A. has been requested from london on mark dixie, alias shane turner from the australian police, i wish it had so the families in australia of these younge girls who have been murdered there can maybe have some closure if the D.N.A. is a match. The parents in australia need to push this matter with the Australian police A.S.A.P.

pye
Sun 12 Nov 06 (08:24am)

. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=150338 Not according to this report .I dont think the Brit police will state publicly any information about this until the outcome of the trial of Dixie ,It could interfear or influence his plea

phantom62
Wed 15 Nov 06 (05:08am)

This is very interesting, but as far as I know, the police have NO DNA found on the bodies of the two victims so far found. They have stated that the bodies were in too advanced a state of decomposition to obtain any. But here is something I have suspected for a while. It is based on the fact that the police warrant stipulated that they were searching for human body tissue and flesh when they were searching Mr Weygers properties. The police have stated that they killer washed his car on site after dumping the bodies. I suspect that the killer only washed the part of the car that may have bloodstains on it. The killer probably drives a utility or station wagon and would have used the tailgate to “process” the body before dumping them. That is to say, the killer needed to remove body parts that may have got DNA on them during the course of the murder. Sally Anne Bowman was found to have bite marks on her body. So it would seem for the murder victims here too. Maybe also the killers DNA was under their finger nails. So these parts may have been missing from the bodies. They may even have been discarded close to the vehicle. I wonder if any one can tell me the eye colours for Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon? I know it seems gruesome but Catherine Birnie claimed she amputated the parts of their victims breasts that may have DNA after they were dead. David Birnie also mutilated the bodies to make them more difficult to find where they were buried. With regard to the person writing a book about these killings, I may have some data he could use that ties the murders and disappearances together. Before you ask, no I am not the killer. I was a military intelligence analyst before I retired, so I like to keep my mind turning over by doing some armchair detective work. But I can show you or the author that there is a direct link between these killings and the disappearance of Lisa Mott.

David Daniel Ball
Mon 02 Oct 06 (02:14am)

I think this illustrates that cooperation between law enforcement of different nations .. and press, works. Still, I wonder how many more crimes might be solved through sharing databases of criminal DNA.

Jacqui_R
Mon 02 Oct 06 (09:12am)

I’m wondering how on earth some of these people get jobs? A tax file number is required if you’re to get work, also, I would have thought this guy was bound to have some sort of criminal record, if so, how did he manage to enter the country in the first place? you’d think some sort of flag would be raised?.

Jacqui_R
Mon 02 Oct 06 (10:59am)

Which still leaves the question of how he got in, in the first place, I would have thought this guy would have some sort of prior history, I know that in the case of Americans that have committed a felony, it shows on their passports, therefore they can be denied an entry visa, if this doesn’t apply to other countries it should, the last thing we need is criminals from other countries coming in and committing crimes here. Co-operation between law agencies of various countries is all well and good, but we need it to happen before the fact, not after a crime has been committed.

animal
Mon 02 Oct 06 (11:25am)

It would be interesting to know if there were bite marks found on the bodies of the 2 victims here. These 2 bodies were also found at opposite ends of the Perth metro area, not too far from the main freeway that runs through Perth. Therefore it makes sense that if the suspect was a tourist then he dumped the bodies close to a main road and where the residential area was getting sparser. I really hope the DNA does match as this has been 10 years since the killings and the investigation has gone nowhere. There has been a suspect watched intensely for at least the last 5 years (detectives watching his house 24/7 early on) and this was mainly on the basis that he was a loner who used to drive around the city at all hours and saw one of the victims on the night she disappeared. He also lived in the suburb next to Claremont. The intense scrutiny and focus on this individual has cost thousands of dollars and it will make the WA Police look real bad. Especially considering the head of the Macro task force was recently suspended from duty for the for the handling of the Andrew Mallard case. In this case, Mallard was convicted on circumstantial evidence, and recently got released from jail after new evidence proved he didn’t do it.

Anne
Mon 02 Oct 06 (12:14pm)

I was living in WA and in my late teens when the serial killings begain the in mid 90’s. It was a really scary time especially for women who were going out at night. I have always hoped they would have some kind of breakthrough with this case. Thanks for keeping us updated.

Criminologist
Mon 02 Oct 06 (12:49pm)

What would you say if the WA Police had suspects and they weren’t watching them?

How loud would the outcry be if one of these were the murderer and the Police had not kept them under observation?

It may not be pleasant, but no doubt, it is necessary.

cathy
Mon 02 Oct 06 (03:49pm)

This bit I don’t understand and hope that someone can clarify. 
In the “which Shorty” case the DNA was flown to UK for more exhaustive DNA testing than capable here (according to the newspapers).

I don’t understand why it can’t be done in this case?

ian
Mon 02 Oct 06 (05:27pm)

The primary suspect seemed to have been followed around the clock for a very long time.  His life became unliveable.  If it turns out not to be him, we are in for the mother of all compo payments.

Jacqui_R, I think he would have no problem getting in and out of the country.  Our immigration policies seem to be more racial than qualitative!

Kim
Mon 02 Oct 06 (09:18pm)

All I can think is that if the police checked immigrants leaving Perth around that time the killings stopped & took a close look at why they have left ie deported, maybe the life of that young UK girl could have been saved.

fed up
Mon 02 Oct 06 (11:15pm)

Here we go again, remember little Jon Benet, perhaps we should all wait for DNA results before there is any more speculation.  There should be some consideration for the families involved (ie victim’s families). They have probably got their hopes up again and they will be (possibly) dashed.  I know this stuff sells newspapers but pleeaassee have a bit of consideration for victims families.

Grandfanali
Tue 03 Oct 06 (12:43am)

Jacqui_R: Australia has MILLIONS of visitors a year, millions, so checking all of them who wish to come here is impossible. Think of how many tourists show up all round the country each and every day, and then try to imagine a system that could keep up with that sort of inflow of information with accuracy and competence. THEN try to imagine the government paying for it. As we see here, it doesn’t work.

Jonny
Tue 03 Oct 06 (02:40am)

Her name is spelt Sally Anne Bowman - not Sally Ann.

charles hedbring
Tue 03 Oct 06 (09:29am)

As a tourist staying near Fremantle at the time, I for one can attest that the police were doing their job re the Claremont slayings. I was sunbathing on a beach near Woodmans Point and was approached one afternoon by three policeman. Courteous and pleasant, they just chatted with me a few moments (where I was from, where I was staying, my name, how was I enjoying my vacation) and then moved on south along the beach. Just doing their job....

LeastDone - WA Police & Sexual Assault
Thu 05 Oct 06 (01:02pm)

Hi Gary, 
Can “we” put pictures up with our posts?

LeastDone - WA Police & Sexual Assault

AussieinUK
Fri 06 Oct 06 (11:50pm)

Am following this story with interest. Was in my early 20s in Perth when the Claremont muders happened. My female friends and I were very wary of going out by ourselves and made sure no-one walked to their cars at night unaccompanied after that.

Since have been living in the UK and rather scarily lived in the very street in Croydon where Sally Anne was murdered. So got the shock of my life watching the news in Perth the other night and seeing the link between the two cases.

Dr. Phibes
Mon 09 Oct 06 (11:26pm)

I believe Sarah Spiers is in water either in Ankatel (south)or north of Wanneroo.And Sarah Mc Mahon is near Mundaring Wier.Just a feeling i get. Andyinwa@hotmail.com

author
Tue 10 Oct 06 (11:27am)

Hi Gary. I’m a true crime author now finishing a book on the Claremont serial killings for an Australian publishing company. I read this site with interest. If anyone has any stories to share re Claremont I’ll gladly take them. My deadline is three weeks. 

author
Wed 11 Oct 06 (11:17am)

Thanks Garygrin

MightBeWorthAdding
Thu 12 Oct 06 (03:11am)

Actually, the ABC’s ‘Australian Story’ did a special on the Claremont serial killings a few years back and some of the victim’s parents expressed consternation at the police attitude that the Claremont serial killer just “suddenly stopped”. It was pointed out that it isn’t true that there have been no other disappearances/unsolved murders of women besides these three. Other young women in Perth or near Perth have also disappeared in highly suspicious circumstances - and after Ciara Glennon in 1997 too.

Some of the families of the other missing young women were concerned by the police insisting their daughter’s disappearances were definitely not connected to the Claremont serial killings. Understandably, in my opinion. Isn’t it a bit short sighted?  Claremont’s just one small suburb. It’s crazy to think every other missing young woman couldn’t have met the same horrible fate too. Why shouldn’t other missing women be considered possible victims too? Just because they either didn’t have blonde hair or didn’t go missing in Claremont? That’s assuming a lot.

I’m glad they are apparently looking at new suspects though - stories like this renew my faith in the police and I hope and pray that the serial killer will be caught eventually.

Dr.Phibes
Sat 21 Oct 06 (01:11am)

I met Sarah Mc Mahon in early nov 2000. She came to my place for a visit with 2 friends on a Friday.I saw her on the Sunday afterwards. She disappeared on the day after Melbourne Cup in Nov 2000. The Police flew their chopper (Polair 61) over my 1/2 acre place near the Swan Valley, as cause i had met her.They bugged my phone for a while. I have had a woman giving me probs for ages. Don`t ya hate that, ppl accusing ya of bopping sum 1 off then annoying ya to hell thinking they can do that & sleep ok?Andy. PS:  ffs, some ppl do not learn to leave some ppl alone.

missclaudia
Fri 27 Oct 06 (10:27pm)

The WA police force has a deplorable record of investigating the disappearance of and attacks on woman in Perth.

When the Birnies were hunting girls in the ‘80s, the police, despite credible and consistent reports from families and friends of the missing girls, refused to take the disappearances seriously. I was, at the time, a neighbour of one the murdered girls and heard first-hand the appalling treatment that her parents received at the hands of police. They accused the missing 15 year old, a straight A student with no problems and good references, of variously being a run-away, a prostitute, troubled, drug addled and attention-seeking.

All this in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary from fellow students, teachers, the parents, various teen counsellors and her neighbours.  The police, either too incompetent or too shiftless to act, upped the ante against the teenager, accusing her of being an accomplished scammer and liar, experienced in hiding aberrant behaviour behind an angelic facade.

In fact, this poor young child was an innocent teenager, being brutally assaulted, and latterly murdered, by the Birnies.

Young women have been routinely disappearing from Perth streets since the early 80s and the police have resolutely refused to do anything about it.

The reason that the police have been brought to account, and their ineptitude exposed, more recently is that two of the parents of the missing Claremont girls had the political clout to compel the police to firstly, act and secondly, tacitly admit that they were, and had always been, out of their depth in major criminal cases.

Whilst no public statements have been issued by the international experts called in to assist WA police, it is well known by journalists that many of these experts were horrified by the lack of police process, diligence and expertise in the early stages of this investigation.

The fact that the police continue to dismiss further disappearances of women is not surprising given that at times their desire to cover their ineptitude and plain laziness has by far outweighed their commitment to preventing any further incidences.

If this UK fellow does turn out to be the Claremont killer then the police will have some serious questions to answer, not the least of which will be why they continued to harass and bully suspects long past the date when ANYONE believed the suspects had a case to answer.

I fervently hope that the Spiers can bury Sarah, that Julie Cutler’s parents find out where she is, that Ciarra and Jane’s family can at last walk down Perth streets without peering into the faces of every male they pass and that Sarah McMahon’s mother can at least know if her daughter is dead or alive.

Goldie
Sat 04 Nov 06 (05:38pm)

Hello Gary, 
Did the police ever come up with a clear profile for the killer (or killers) of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer?
 
I wonder why they’ve never stated one way or the other whether they have any DNA of the killer/s? What advantage could there be in holding this back from the public?  - Goldie

Linda Bowman
Fri 10 Nov 06 (12:17pm)

i am the mother of SALLY ANNE BOWMAN, my 18year old daughter was murdered on 25th september 2005. she was brutally stabbed to death and sexually assaulted. i keep reading about the clairmont murders in perth western australia, but to my knowledge no! D.N.A. has been requested from london on mark dixie, alias shane turner from the australian police, i wish it had so the families in australia of these younge girls who have been murdered there can maybe have some closure if the D.N.A. is a match. The parents in australia need to push this matter with the Australian police A.S.A.P.

pye
Sun 12 Nov 06 (08:24am)

. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=150338 Not according to this report .I dont think the Brit police will state publicly any information about this until the outcome of the trial of Dixie ,It could interfear or influence his plea

phantom62
Wed 15 Nov 06 (05:08am)

This is very interesting, but as far as I know, the police have NO DNA found on the bodies of the two victims so far found. They have stated that the bodies were in too advanced a state of decomposition to obtain any. But here is something I have suspected for a while. It is based on the fact that the police warrant stipulated that they were searching for human body tissue and flesh when they were searching Mr Weygers properties. The police have stated that they killer washed his car on site after dumping the bodies. I suspect that the killer only washed the part of the car that may have bloodstains on it. The killer probably drives a utility or station wagon and would have used the tailgate to “process” the body before dumping them. That is to say, the killer needed to remove body parts that may have got DNA on them during the course of the murder. Sally Anne Bowman was found to have bite marks on her body. So it would seem for the murder victims here too. Maybe also the killers DNA was under their finger nails. So these parts may have been missing from the bodies. They may even have been discarded close to the vehicle. I wonder if any one can tell me the eye colours for Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon? I know it seems gruesome but Catherine Birnie claimed she amputated the parts of their victims breasts that may have DNA after they were dead. David Birnie also mutilated the bodies to make them more difficult to find where they were buried. With regard to the person writing a book about these killings, I may have some data he could use that ties the murders and disappearances together. Before you ask, no I am not the killer. I was a military intelligence analyst before I retired, so I like to keep my mind turning over by doing some armchair detective work. But I can show you or the author that there is a direct link between these killings and the disappearance of Lisa Mott.

john
Wed 13 Dec 06 (06:37am)

now 5 prostitues found dead by serial killer in ipswich suffolk uk two found today 12/12/06http://www.sky.com/news

john
Wed 13 Dec 06 (10:27am)

thanks dr phibes for area proximity of champion lake most[interesting]are police treating blackburn and agge cases as a murder enquiry yet?as 14 days have elapsed since their disapearences [which is the norm] http://www.police.wa.gov.au have also experienced polair 61 and phone bugging was informed by oz army sas mate chopper carries heat seeking censors[equipment] i request from phantom 62 more detailed area proximity of glennon site was it at end of the bituman road? will check goggle earth.com unaware of running creek at walcott road rimmer site she was dumped near end on left side of then part bituman road[today fully bitumaned] its likely he u turned so not to leave tyre tracks on the continues gravel road ahead not so at the gerald ross site at stakehill road some 8kms away where tyre tracks were found to resemble a van being used confirmed to me by certain detectives there are also striking similiaraties the way rimmer and ross were dumped will post later

phantom62
Thu 14 Dec 06 (12:05am)

John of UK I can give you exact information. 
Ciara Glennon was found at South 31 degrees 34 minutes 956 seconds by East 115 degrees 40 minutes 40 seconds.
 
Jane Rimmer was found at South 32 degrees 16 minutes 353 seconds by East 115 degrees 51 minutes 553 seconds.

You are correct that Woolcoot Rd was gravel when Jane was dumped. Ciara was found 60 metres off Pipidinny Road and 800 metres from where the road bends near Lacey Rd. I also believe that these killings are related to the disappearance of Lisa Mott. If you draw a line from Ciara to Jane and then continue it South it intersects the town of Collie. The distance is exactly 200 kms at a small stream on Ewing Rd.

I saw a news report of the killings in Suffolk and in particular one of the girls who was interviewed a week before she too was murdered. (creepy) But one thing that stood out in the photo was her eyes.....GREEN. 
Is anyone in UK able to find out the colour of the other victims’ eyes?
 
Here is an interesting scenario you may wish to consider.

The killings in West Australia have stopped as far as we know. There is a bit of publicity no doubt in UK too about Mark Dixie possibly connected with the killings in WA. The police have now disproved his involvement. Now suddenly 5 girls are killed in avery short space of time. Could this be the same killer as Perth letting us know he is still active? I know it is a long hunch but can anyone furnish me with the locations of the 5 bodies so far in relation to a set map of the UK or at least Suffolk?

The disappearance at Champion Lake is still open, and I will try to get some other data in the next few days. Now I have so much data from the new mapping software I now have a whole set of new locations to check out for possible remains. I am also interested in the death of Gerard Ross but find it hard to accept that his killer is the same person. On the other hand the girl killed in Mandurah in the 1980s body was found near Pinjarra, which falls into the line between Collie and Jane Rimmer. More later.

phantom62
Thu 14 Dec 06 (12:55am)

OK. Forget my hunches on the Suffolk killings. They are not connected with the Perth killings at all. They all had different coloured eyes, their bodies were scattered randomly probably because he drove around waiting for the right opportunity to dump them unseen and quickly. I suspect he is someone who uses prostitutes regularly and has had a bad experience with one recently, maybe caught a disease or wasn’t able to perform? It may be possible, because he uses them often, that many prostitutes know him and that is why he has been able to pick up these 5 so quickly.

One possible idea for clues: the girls who were dumped in woodland were probably near tracks with trees or shrubs close to the edge of the road. Maybe the police should check along this track to see if there are any branches or sticks that have traces of paint on them from scratching the killers vehicle.

Dr.Phibes
Thu 14 Dec 06 (09:13pm)

Um, John I don`t know anything re Blackburn & Agge cases over here. Haven`t heard anything about it at all. In Regards to Polair 61. They flew their chopper over the paddocks near my place & did a u - turn over Roe Highway & came straight back over my place. I was replacing the veranda poles at the time,(arvo in November 2000), & managed to get a camera out as they went past to do the u turn. I took 1 or 2 more as they flew over.My block of land is a reas. size, but is narrow but quite long. I saw their thermal imaging camers out the side/left front.It was too big of a job to have someone go over the 1/2 acre block with a push radar cart.They used the chopper so they didn`t have to get a warrant and could get heat readings of the ground if a mates lady friend (Sarah Mc Mahon)was there.They flew smack down the Middle then went straight back to base. Hey your Ipswitch Serial Killer is going hammer & tongs (excuse the pun) with the 5 prostitues who have been killed. Guess he`s trying to improve on our New South Wales Backpacker killer Ivan Milat. I think he got to 7 but probably far more they recon. In regards to Gerald Ross who was found in Baldivis; I was riding my dirtbike down that way in the Baldivis pine plantation when i rode past a cross. I thought someone on a bike had come unstuck,as they do quite alot over here in the stix. I went back & had a look & found it was erected by the Shoalwater Task Force who were investigating his disappearance.He was found off an internal track in the small plantation.Bit hard to drive in there with the ruts & sand unless u had a 4wd.Some tracks u can use a 2wd.A few people from the local horse riding school ride thru there. Jane R was identified by her belly ring.She was a daycare worker near my workplace but there r quite a few d/c places in Wembley. Perth.

Dr.Phibes
Thu 14 Dec 06 (10:19pm)

John i did a search in the Police site u linked us all to.Yes those 2 women are missing. But there hasn`t been much on the news( well i haven`t seen anything) Alot of ppl go missing but most take shelter at friends as they don`t want to be found as they want to sort their immediate probs out. Thats why it isn`t big news for a few days. They simply turn up later,well mostly.

phantom62
Tue 19 Dec 06 (09:51am)

I am happy to report that Anna Agge was located on the 3rd of December. This is typical of our police who seem to forget to let the public know when we need to stop looking. Or maybe it’s the media who no longer find the subject news worthy so they don’t waste their time with it any more. I also see the UK cops have made an arrest of a former cop in relation to the Suffolk Strangler killings. An ex-cop no less, who uses prostitutes regularly. 
There is a strongly held belief here in Perth that the Claremont serial killer is either a serving cop or ex cop. That would make it a lot easier for him to stay in the area unobtrusively where he could watch the taxi ranks or monitor a scanner for the taxi calls.

john
Fri 22 Dec 06 (10:05am)

man charged steve wright with the serial killings of 5 prostitutes in ipswich suffolk uk 10 31 pm gmt 21/12/06

phantom62
Sun 24 Dec 06 (06:35am)

Good to see the poms found the Suffolk Strangler so quick. Maybe they could have a look at the Claremont Serial Killer to see what theyfind.

john
Sun 31 Dec 06 (09:29am)

REGARDS TO ALL FOR 2007 AND ASHES WIN NOT HUMAN OF COURSE LOL ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE COULD SOMEONE BRIEF ME ON LATEST MURDER VICTIM STACEY LEE MITCHELL 16 YR OLD GIRL AT REAR OF 14 RUTLAND AVE LATHLAIN 21/12/06 http://WWW.POLICE.WA.GOV.AU WHEN AND WHERE GO MISSING NO MEDIA COVERAGE POSTED I SEE POLICE COMMISSIONER OCALLAHAN HAS HIS TERM EXTENDED FURTHER 5 YRS LETS HOPE EVEN BEYOND THAT [DOES THIS SIGINIFY POSITIVE SIGNS ON THE CRIME SCENES] SOMEHOW I THINK SO? HE KICKED ARSE WITHIN THE FORCE WHICH NO DOUBT MADE HIM UNPOPULAR I HAVE THE UPMOST RESPECT FOR THIS GUY

phantom62
Fri 05 Jan 07 (05:54am)

Dr Phibes, Do you know if Sarah McMahon belonged to a health club in the Claremont area? If so do you know which one? I have been doing some legwork in the Bayview Tce area and made quite a startling discovery. I am reasonably sure that each victim knew the killer, the killer had previously selected them from a list he had possession of, I think I know where each victim was murdered ( the same place) They were probably kept in this place after their death and then driven to their dumping grounds the following night. I have some more legwork to do now to find out the name of the killer, but at least I know what happened to each victim. If I am correct this case should be solved before June 2007. Can anyone tell me what clothes, jewellry and accessories each victim was wearing on the night of their murders? I believe none of this has been found yet. It may be important now.

phantom62
Fri 05 Jan 07 (05:57am)

I touched on the Falconio disappearance a few weeks ago but now I was wondering if we could start a blog on this subject. There are many inconsistencies in this story and it would beinteresting to see how much other people might know, especially if they are familiar with the area north of Barrow Creek.

john
Wed 17 Jan 07 (11:20pm)

gary hughes are u still taking comments on this page can you confirm

Dr.Phibes
Fri 19 Jan 07 (10:22pm)

Two young ladies 17 or 18 have been charged with her murder John. Guess they forgot to swap wheelie bins (rubbish bins) with another house in the street… Reminds me of the idiots at snowtown with the bodies in the barrels in the disused bank vault.Was only a matter of time in both cases.

john
Sat 20 Jan 07 (06:43am)

hi phantom62 there was a health club demolished last year on stirling highway claremont opposite church and caporn estate agents where spiers was last seen at telephone box [previously demolished] can anyone brief on missing girls christine upton 9/12/06 at carramar and stacey mitchell 21/12/06 at lathlain

Dr.Phibes
Wed 24 Jan 07 (11:27pm)

Phantom62 I don`t think Sarah McMahon belonged to a health club in Claremont. She lived virtually on the opposite side of town to Claremont. 
You say each victim knew the killer.They were selected from a list. You say you know where they were murdered? You recon you need to do more legwork to find the C.S.K`s name? You know what happened to each victim? Um, you seem to know alot that most people do not know. I know a bit too. But you ask about clothing missing,Jewellery & accessories missing that virtually everyone knows were taken; Brooch, sunflower keyring etc. etc. Give me a buzz.  Andy
 andyinwa@hotmail.com

Dr.Phibes
Wed 24 Jan 07 (11:43pm)

These 2 sites, especially the 1st one are compelling viewing. Gary i hope you let me show the links; andy. 

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20010901/

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s146359.htm

K
Sat 27 Jan 07 (10:16am)

I find it quite absurd that you are suggesting these victims were selected depending on thier eye colour. this assumes that the offender knew his victims, or at least had seen them before, in order to target them based on thier eye colour. Also it seems unlikely that a serial sex offender would wait to encounter a victim with his prefered eye colour before offending. Even if it is established that all these girls did have green eyes, what does this tell us?? The cases could not possibly be linked on such a weak association.

john
Sat 03 Feb 07 (01:29pm)

the state crime squad i believe link serial killer with other cold case crimes and have info to support that theory popidinka/mcmahon/ugle/deb anderson found in her burnt out car possibly torched? on oz day long weekend same day 25/1 anniversary of spiers or just coincidence?i beg to differ also scs refuse to confirm or deny if police mislaid/lost two possible vital pieces of physical evidence and why did a high ranked scs officer assist oic vinney kins.... resign one week after info was passed to him in which he replied we want physical evidence theory is he was at odds with his oic anthony lee [knickname kirky] concerning info alternativly passed onto police commisioner ocallahan for answers via his liason officer kate m......i await their reply

phantom62
Wed 14 Feb 07 (03:09am)

OK I was going to send all I knew to the cops after my last letter, but the feedback from K of London and Dr Phibes has made me release some stuff. Let’s start with Sarah Spiers. She was last seen on Stirling Rd waiting for a taxi. She disappeared quickly

Jane Rimmer Last seen walking down St Quebtin Ave in front of Club Bayview.

Ciara Glennon last seen standing outside shops in Stirling Highway opposite McDonalds store.

All three of these victims were last seen standing and they could all be seen from the first floor windows of.............The BC Body Club health club. It is possible all three were members of this health club. Someone inside looks out the window and sees each victim standing. He knows there names because they are all members. And he already knows their eyecolour from seeing them. They may well have known him, since they all simply got into his car without a fight. He drives them to the health club and kills them there, wraps them in black plastic and dumps them in his car. The cops don’t come near his shop since they think it was closed late at night. As soon as the cops have finished he drives the bodies to previously selected dumping grouns. In Sarah Speirs case she may well have been buried in the garden beds at the health club. A few years later he closes the club. It remains vacant for a few years until one night it is torched by persons unknown. If there was any evidence there it’s well gone now.

Ok so that should answer Dr Phibes. Now K of London the only reason I ask about jewellery worn by the victims is because I frequent jewellery sales at auctions. By now the killer may have died or been jailed or moved on. But I still want to keep an eye out for their jewellery.

Write direct to me at phantom62@hotmail.com

john
Sat 24 Feb 07 (01:52am)

i ask phantom 62 again about the glennon site was it off bitumen road in bush on left side head east from coast or left side of road head west to coast or was it off non bitumen track which runs parallel with bitumen road head west to coast because goggleearth.com give same degree positions for all 3 mentioned

tracycudd
Sun 25 Feb 07 (09:10pm)

hi id like to say that mark dixie, was running my local pub at the time he killed sally anne bowman, many of us regulars got friendly with him, my partner took him to football matches, and we spent alot of time in the pub with him and and his wife and his little son who is a double of him too! my grandson played with him, we remember going in the pub one day and he had scratches on his neck and face, he said he had a fight with his wife, but many of us believe now that, it could have been sally anne, we are all so shocked that we befriended this low life scum bag, and our hearts are with her and her family, no one from the police has asked the regulars about him only the staff well i speak on behalf of the rose and crown regulars we pray justice for sally anne and her family god bless xxx that

Dr.Phibes
Fri 02 Mar 07 (11:50pm)

Sorry Phantom62, I wasn`t trying to wind ya up. I just wanted to know why the secrecy with your info.Interesting re the Health club theory. But as i said Sarah Mc Mahon only worked in Claremont & would probably been a member of a club in the hills near her home. In the link i provided above, a casual worker at an East Fremantle Company had a girlfriend who wore a gladdagh ring. Ciara Glennon wore a claddagh (irish) brooch. How co-incidental that is i have thought.The worker was capable of turning the brooch into a ring.Phantom u haven`t mentioned what exactly happened to the women.Send me an e mail if you can. I`ll tell u what i know.  John of the u.k; I have tried to get the W.A. Police to re-open the Deborah Michelle Anderson case in Middle Swan. I knew the young Lady`s Auntie.So i said i`d try to get it reopened for her. No luck when i tried.  Tracey of U.K; Did you go to the police re your suspicions of Mark Dixie?  There is a lake or 3 down south where i want to have a look at. One area is where the Freeway may have gone thru an area where a lady (who has commented on here) and i think Sarah S. may be. An off ramp may now be covering the spot, so i want to go to Dept.of Land Administration in Midland, Perth to check out old maps. As someone said Google Earth is a great tool to use,and that has been helpful.  Dr.Phibes.

Dr.Phibes
Sat 03 Mar 07 (12:08am)

Hi ya Gary, here is another v.g link the blog readers may like to have a look at.

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm

john
Sun 11 Mar 07 (12:13am)

hi can anyone or phan 62 or even gary hughes advise me on the actual position of the glennon dump site.

tracycudd
Mon 12 Mar 07 (06:49am)

HI 
DR.PHIBES, REGUARDING YOUR QUESTION, NO WE DIDINT GO TO POLICE, AS ITS ONLY SINCE HIS ARREST THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AGAIN, AND AS WE CANNOT REMEMBER WHEN THIS HAPPENED, WE CANNOT PROVE OTHERWISE, BUT WE ARE ALL AGREED THAT WE THINK IT WAS AROUND THE TIME, BUT AS I SAY WE ARE NOT 100% ON IT, I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE CASE AND ALSO THE CLAREMONT CRIMES TOO, IF YOU CAN TELL ME ANYTHING THAT I CANT FIND ON NET I WILL PUT MY EMAIL ADDRESS ON PAGE, AM NOT PERSUMING ANYONE CAN BUT JUST INCASE, THANX TRACY XXX

tracycudd
Mon 12 Mar 07 (06:51am)

sorry forgot email tracycudd@aol.com

john
Tue 13 Mar 07 (09:27am)

i would reason with phantom 62 about the 80 km distance between the glennon / rimmer dump sites and have always been somewhat suspicious concerning the exact proximity 40 km north and south of the abduction points it is evident to see that in no way rimmer [regardless of badly decomposed body] he lay at edge of part bitumen walcott rd baldives for 8 weeks since her abduction at claremont which may suggest the killer had a holding area in addition to murder and dump sites although remote it is part residential and consider her body size someone would have found her sooner rather than later gerald ross would also come under scrutiny as victim of same killer his dump site 8 km away at karnup in striking similarities the way dumped as rimmer he at a u turn point of track on left side at forefront of forest making no attempt to disguise body in forest is as if he wanted body to be found [probably to taunt police further]?  in both cases it suggests a van was used with slide door on left side of van with quick access to roll out and dump a body and as police have confirmed to me van tyre tracks were found remember case of girl raped at karrakata cementry nr claremont [police seem to believe victim of serial killer]she was hooded /bound /and pushed into something she said resembled a van all this has the hallmarks of a killer with military background [planner]which police are aware of and seek

Phantom62
Fri 16 Mar 07 (01:44pm)

John of UK, I have previously given everybody the exact locations of both Jane and Ciara’s bodies in this blog. However I will say that Ciara Glenon was found 40 metres off the Pipidinny Rd near a parking spot that is used by a beekeeper. There is a cross erected that marks the exact spot. As to your belief the killer used a van with a side opening door to just roll the bodies out, I would disagree. Ciara was found in deep bushland 40 mteres away from the parking bay as well. She was deliberately placed there at exactly the same angle before North that Jane was placed, the same angle before South. (11 degress in both cases) I think the killer has a utility and that is also why the cops are finding car washing gear at each site. But I think he is only washing the small amount of area that may have DNA on it, rather than the whole car.

Dr.Phibes
Sun 18 Mar 07 (11:55pm)

Hi ja John, I have been to the G.Ross site in Baldivis.Where he was found wouldn`t easily have been seen by a fast 4 wh. Driver, but someone on a horse from a local horse club did find him.
In Regards to Jane Rimmer, as you drive down Woolcoot Rd,Wellard, towards Miller Rd, she was found 2 to 3 metres approx from a culvert that runs underneath the road, though on the right side of the road & in the semi-Ditch.There is a cross there. John i know you live far away, but there were mistakes in your suburbs to the victims. In regards to jane, yes i cannot believe no one saw her as she was so close to the road someone had to.Yes there was probably a dungeon involved.They searched under my lil house too,but that was due to a different situation.But they had an excuse(due to my home invasion & subsequently me stopping the character)to look under the house & they found a bone, probably a dogs buried 1 there,ffs, heh. You mentioned a military background. Well Serial Killers plan well so they can carry on doing what they obviously are addicted to.Boy Scouts can tie knots like courier drivers can too,& everyone can dig a hole.So the military lead is a guess i think.

john
Thu 22 Mar 07 (12:35am)

hi dr phibes police seek and are aware of killer with military background [which was mentioned in past by media] the first question asked to me[am i ex military]by macro at crane house perth they somewhat agreed he may have known his victims rimmer was dumped on left side woolcott rd wellard[thanks for suburb correction]drive north from miller rd hi phantom 62 glennon was a small petit girl easy to carry[i know that from a woman friend who went to same school and new her mother who also taught their aswell she new cutler who went their also] unlike rimmer she was carried from vechicle to dump site what i ask is was she carried to and dumped 40 metres at side of bitumen rd or side of track that runs parallel head west to coast or dump side bitumen head east from coast basically i want to know if she was dumped at side of bitumen rd or side of track theory is he carried body so not to scratch his car the hit [match] found on ahdesive tape at rimmer site by international review found but missed by macro is not the big dna match mentioned by malcolm boots[uk forensic scentist at the review]but obviously would say when we conversed and sms in uk i believe is a victim-suspect or victim-victim[unrelated] or victim-victim [unrelated]to suspect personally i believe a cloths fibre match? by scs ex assist oic vinney kins....saying to me we want physical evidence suggests state crime squad have suspect exibits reason why enquiry is ongoing

Dr.Phibes
Thu 29 Mar 07 (10:39pm)

Phantom, Robin Napper who worked for the centre for Forensic Science at U.W.A (uni of W.A.) & is now a lecturer at U.W.A is giving a lecture on Wed. 18 April at 7.30pm at the Social Science Lecture Theatre. He has worked at the FBI in it`s behavourial science unit as well as other areas to do with Serial Killers etc. I hope to be there. Booking # is 6488 2433 according to the site.Look up Robin Napper on google if u are keen.

tracycudd
Sun 08 Apr 07 (04:49am)

HI all since my last posting, i have had a visit from a national news paper, reguarding mark dixie, alias shane turner, a male friend of mine, who has more stories to tell about him than myself, was here at the time, so once the trial is over the stories will come out, Though i cannot say on the site what we have been told , That dixie has said in his defence, but i must say it is was sick, and made him look worse than he already does , our source has said that his defence team will never let him say it as it does him no favours at all. 
can any one update me on the claremont unsolved murders and wether dixie is still a suspect , in it or any other cases over there thanx tracy

Dr.Phibes
Wed 18 Apr 07 (10:30pm)

It seems the Claremont Serial Killer enjoys Orienteering with a bizarre twist.To those who don`t know what that is; it`s map reading,using a map,compass & visualising terrain hills etc to go over a course or in a direction. It is possible he is directing us to the hills,Parkerville, Mundaring & mabee onto Gidgegannup, fill up the gas tank & take a picnic lunch if anyone heads to gidge.Check out Lovers Lane in Gidgegannup too, Just a stab in the dark with that 1.heh. Please excuse the pun.

riddell
Fri 27 Apr 07 (11:21pm)

I have been reading with interest all the theories on the Sarsh S Sarah M cases any new ideas

Craig
Mon 30 Apr 07 (05:42pm)

I don’t believe that the police have any usable DNA evidence on the Claremont serial killer. If they did then they could have excluded their prime suspect as the killer. It also wouldn’t surprise me if the Gerald Ross case was linked. I believe that all crimes were commited by two young men from the Kwinana area who possibly had access to someone’s taxi.

phantom62
Sun 06 May 07 (12:47am)

You may be right Dr Phibes, about Gidgegannup. The question is where? I have drawn a circle from the centre point between Ciara and Jane. This point is not in Bayview. It is in fact on The Boulevard, City Beach just opposite a small shopping centre and very close to a big block of vacant bush. I traced the centre line at the same angle as the point from Ciara and Jane and I have driven out to Gidge, but the actual point is in the middle of a large block of land so it does not fit the MO for this person. He prefers to dump them near roads or tracks. I will be going to the Stae library soon to check archives of newspapers to make sure about all the facts the cops have given as far as clothing, jewellery and last seen where abouts are as I have them. One of the decriptions for Sarah Spiers was that she was wearing high heeled platform shoes on the night she disappeared. About 2 years ago virtually on the anniversary of Ciara’s murder a high heeled platformed shoe was strung over the power lines at the centre point above. I reported it to the cops but the shoe was still there a few weeks later when I went back. I had a good look around the bush area there too, but not having an exact reference to go to, I was wasting my time although I did find a big pile of bicycles covered by branches there. I told the cops about that too.The next thing to check is each point in the circle every 11 degrees, that being the difference between the body sites 169 and 349 degrees to North and south. One thing I have not checked but will try is to work out how much of the circle is on land in degrees and then divide that by 11. Almost half the circle is in the ocean. That may explain the odd angle. It does roughly run parallel to the WA coast.

Dr.Phibes
Wed 09 May 07 (09:19pm)

Yes!! Phantom. On my perth map(not a topographical map), i measured 215mm south & north from the 2 sites & i too came to the boulevard & not Claremont.(this will vary according to what map we all have, but everyones 2 distances will be the same). As you have obviously run a line from the Pippidinny rd site to Woolcoot Rd. I have drawn some 90Deg angles.If we draw a line at St.quentin ave it roughly goes thru Mundaring to the east.At Bold park @ 90 Deg it runs through Midland.The same distance east i get to Mundaring,Stoneville & Parkerville, approx.I do not get a good feeling at Bold Pk.& its huge as you know.Nor do i at the nearby Boulevard bushland at Wembley Downs near my work. Phantom i will e mail you my next search areas & why i am drawn there.1 is near Boya & other is Parkerville area, but nothing to do with Sarah Mc. M. Then it`s back to Bold Pk etc.

john
Tue 15 May 07 (03:12am)

the latest woman to be found dead in her car near the woolworths shopping centre at stanhope road kalamunda may suggest the serial killer has struck yet again with striking similarities to the deb anderson suspected murder case

john
Tue 15 May 07 (04:35am)

deb anderson although uncertain if she sustained injuries was found in her burnt out car at a [ high profile crime scene area] middle swan shop centre dance drive midland or midland gate shop centre [a correction made to me by an ex scs cop] are in close proximity to kalamunda in this latest case it seems an unsuccessful attempt was made to torch the car and abdominal stab wounds were found a similar fate with the claremont women [an urban myth maybe?]

sam from perth
Thu 17 May 07 (04:29pm)

i have received full info on the condition of both bodys from a coroner friend… any info/detailed articles on any unsolved killings including the deb anderson and recent one in the hills wouldbe appreciated, i would like to see if there arte some possible similarities

Dr.Phibes
Thu 17 May 07 (09:56pm)

John the Middle Swan shops on Dance Drive is a stones throw from my place. As i met Deb Andersons youngish Aunt, I have tried to get her case re-opened but no luck. They recon in the papers the Kalamunda lady,though not from that area,(mabee Dianella or Duncraig) may have tried to commit suicide. I haven`t heard anything more on the case.They questioned her hubby as routine i guess. Here`s a little more on the Sarah Mc Mahon Case, if I may post the link. Kalamunda in the hills is prob 10 ks from Middle Swan,& about 20 ks from the cbd.

http://www.ellisctaylor.com/smwaa.html

riddell
Thu 17 May 07 (11:30pm)

Can someone please tell me who Deb Anderson is i live in Perth i must have missed something Riddell

Dr.Phibes
Thu 24 May 07 (11:21pm)

Hi ya Riddel, Deborah Michelle Anderson visited an atm machine in Woodvale & travelled to Geraldton in her friend`s Ford Laser. She was found about midnight in the burnt out car at the side of the Middle Swan Shops (east side) on Dance drive on JAN 24TH 2000.There used to be a large carpark on that side. On the other side of the bollards there is now a house, that used to be part of the extended carpark.The east wall of the shops was burnt, but relatively undamaged as its brick.Its been repainted. Andy.

Riddell
Tue 29 May 07 (10:16pm)

Thanks for the update Andy i will keep logging on to keep familiar with what you are all working on. thanks Riddell

Seeress
Wed 30 May 07 (08:28pm)

As a psychic I’ve had quite a few feelings of my own about various murders both locally, nationally and internationally as I’m sure most people create and foster their own opinions.

I believe that there is more than one person involved in the CSK’s, two male persons to be specific. I believe that one of them is dominant over the other, however I don’t get the feeling that they are in any kind of homosexual relationship. It’s ‘business as usual’ for the leader, and the other one is in too deep and too stubborn to back out anyway.

I believe that naturally the dominant killer calls the shots. He is obviously a very highly organised killer who plans possibly months ahead of each killing. He did/does not personally know the girls, rather he finds one that fits his ‘fantasy’ and has his partner tail her. I believe they catalogue photographs of each girl for weeks before any move is made. The dominant killer believes he knows each girl imtimately and that they are ‘waiting for a man like him’ in their lives, to the point where leading up to each murder he (or indeed both men) may casually ‘bump’ into the girl in order to facilitate an opportunity for a relationship to commence.

Like most people, I believe that the dominant killer has a military or criminal investigatory background. The submissive killer I believe has a background in photography and investigative journalism. They likely met and have been associates for a long time, and more than likely the dominant killer made several comments to his friend about killing someone before they put the plans into action.

Whilst most of this will be considered pure speculation (and it largely is, granted - I do not profess to blow my own ‘psychic’ horn) I will specify on impressions I get of the murders.

I believe that the killers strangle and rape all girls they kill. The remove the ears, all finger and toenails and also sometimes hair. I believe the submissive killer has a fetish for eating human flesh, and in a frenzy he will bite the bodies before he realises what he is doing. The known victims are not the only victims to fall to this pair. The dominant killer often takes business trips and commits these atrocities intersate and overseas. I believe that the reason there has not been a (recognised) murder committed by the pair in WA for so long is because the scene was too ‘hot’ for them and they have been amusing themselves elsewhere. Every time a new snippet pops up in the news or another suspect is questioned, they laugh, sit back and wait another few months. It’s only a matter of time before another girl is taken.

I do not believe that these men will return to their old haunt in the area of Claremont. I believe that they will change to somewhere more rural in that a smaller town will provide more of a challenge. They’ve been at this for a long time now and they’re getting too complacent.

Again, just my thoughts. Pure speculation combined with an active imagination. I hope whoever is committing these crimes is stopped before they kill again.

author
Thu 31 May 07 (09:28am)

Hi Gary 
Thank you for your help through this website. You may have noticed that my book on the Claremnt Serial Killings, called The Devil’s Garden has now been released in West Australia. Response from WA police was to call a press conference to attack my credibility as an author and journalist. I was accused of “cashing in” on one of West Austalia’s greatest tragedies. My response? That the tragedy is that this book needed to be written in the first place.
 
It is my fifth book with an international publishing comany, my third true-crime title. I stand by the book as the truth and would suggest that instead of using police resources to attack me, they could be putting them where they need to go - into finding who this serial killer is.
 
Someone knows something. Perhaps a wife protecting a husband, a mother a son, a neighbour too scared to speak out. Police have had carriage of this investigation for 11 years. I was researching and writing the book for one year. Let’s hope that the end result is that someone comes forward. I don’t hold my breath for this outcome, of course, but hope for it - for the sake of the dead girls, and for their grief-stricken families.

Peter Kurtin
Thu 31 May 07 (06:40pm)

There is a strong link between the serial homicide film “copycat” (1995) and the way that the Claremont Serial Killer has imitated previous Perth Serial Killers.

john
Sat 02 Jun 07 (02:43am)

hi sam if you have info about condition of both bodies then did deb anderson sustain abdominal stab wounds? scs seem to think this crime case is linked to a family feud which i utterly reject remembering she met her fate on the anniversary 25 jan of sarah spiers coincidence or fact? also due to there expressions without actually saying it seem to link the popidinka/ mcmahon /ugle crime cases with the latest cime scene at kalamunda stanhope road runs via king road to mundering weir road to farrell grove where the body of prostitute ugle was found in a tree trunk near the toilets also lets not forget 27 jan 2003 the woman found drowned in the mandurah estaury accidental or otherwise did police ever confirm? i believe not remember all 3 woman were victims of the oz day holiday long weekend [approx\

Dallas
Mon 04 Jun 07 (04:21pm)

I have just read through all of this. I haven’t been following the murders closely, but reading through this gives me the creeps, as I was a regular at Club Bay View before and around the time the Claremont killings started.

There used to be a bouncer at Club Bay View. I can’t remember his name. He claimed to be ex SAS, and his day job was working as a Private Investigator. I can’t remember a lot - but he had, I think a black 4wd type of vehicle, and he had camera equipment and all that sort of stuff. In my opinion he was quite creepy - however, I just assumed the police would have investigated him given that he was a bouncer at Club Bay View, and all the girls went there.

Just my thoughts. Have wondered about this before...but then forgotton about it - but reading this again - makes me wonder again.

Phoenix
Mon 04 Jun 07 (08:19pm)

I feel there is a chance that ‘Dr.Phibes’ and ‘John’ are the same person...and that that person is playing very nasty games.

Perthite
Mon 04 Jun 07 (10:36pm)

Dallas of Australia -

John Sainken the psychiatrist would know who the bouncer is after all he 
owned Club Bay View didn’t he.
 
I remember at the time Sainken threatening legal action over defamation.
 
I believe he no longer owns the club.

Peter Kurtin
Tue 05 Jun 07 (12:27am)

John from England. Australia day long weekend killing spree by a serial killer: Ring any bells? RE my previous comment.

kalz
Tue 05 Jun 07 (04:58pm)

I am leaning towards agreeing with Phoenix…

Hudson
Tue 05 Jun 07 (08:44pm)

On another news site it has been mention that the someone frequenting this site could be involved the fingers have been pointing to Dr Phibes...i can also say too i was a suspect as well and interviewed at home 3 years ago. And was told that a private detective had tried to locate myself when i was in another state to interview myself as well, but have an alibi for 2 out of the 3 murders.

Kakka
Tue 05 Jun 07 (10:30pm)

I think john of uk and Dr Phibes are one and the same.  The writing style is incredibly similar and both have an inordinate knowledge of Perth and its surrounding suburbs.

my 2 pence
Wed 06 Jun 07 (12:23am)

Dr phibes is from a early 70’s movie..

There are also a lot of comments on movies with relation to this sort of genre posted by “infofreak” on IMDB.com, listed as being situated in Perth, Western Australia.

Just a thought.

tracy claremont
Wed 06 Jun 07 (01:56am)

i heard from a good source that 2 policeman were involved in the claremont murders that is y it has not been solved it has been covered up with scape goats like lance williams to lure the killer out what a sad story this is i feel sorry for the tax payers of claremont as the cameres wernt working when the so called used a female decoy that was not enough maybe the wa police force should watch a little more svu criminal intent and look within the circle

Jordan
Wed 06 Jun 07 (07:31am)

Peter Kurtin 
The only spree killing mentioned, in more then passing, in copycat was the Chi Omega killings done by Bundy.
 
Nice choice of screen name on your part

Curious reader
Wed 06 Jun 07 (02:44pm)

Dr Phibes of Middle Swan,it seems as though he has/had some dealings with one of the victims of the claremont serial killer.It also seems,if he is to be believed,that the police looked at & dismissed him as a suspect?I too am at a loss.in regard to the way the police have handled the situation, in particular the assertion that the killer has stopped or moved on.There must over ten girls,at least that have disappeared since that time,with several vanishing in not unsimilar circumstances,eg, victims are seen on a street around midnight & then several minutes later they are gone never to be seen again.Its not much but its something.Perhaps the good Dr can be of help? 
Curious

Hendo30
Wed 06 Jun 07 (09:30pm)

I beleive I have a fair idea who it may be. I used to work with a guy and when they found Ciara, the guy turned round and said to start with I know that area and know it quite well. Now we started joking around with him and said oh man you could be the killer, he denied it of course but here is the wierd thing. I heard that they were looking for a 4wd White sort of vehicle. Now he had one it was always prestine inside and out and after we had a bit of a joke about with him, he then after about a week or 2 got rid of the 4WD Ute and got himself a new blue coloured car. He also about a week after getting the new car just left work and never returned, he never came back nothing at all, totally off the radar. Now I’m probably jumping at theories and stuff but this guy was a volunteer for the SES he was a trained nurse and an extremely weird guy. Police beleived it was 2 of them and possibly a woman, now he was married as well and again she was a trained nurse, so they could have easily been able to maybe drug them. I have other info but that at the moment I will keep quiet about. Well hope that gets out somewhere, I have tried to contact crime stopppers in regards to this info but to no avail.

john
Fri 08 Jun 07 (02:35am)

With State Crime Squad OIC A Lee saying in debie marshalls interview in police car on the way to Rimmer and Glennon grave sites “how do you know its not on track already?” in reply to her statement “people want investigation back on track” and then to reiterate “how do you know its not on track already ?” suggests SCS have a potential suspect killer in their sights as I previously mentioned period.

JOHN
Sat 09 Jun 07 (03:06am)

With State Crime Squad OIC A Lee saying in Debie Marshall’s interview in police car on the way to Rimmer and Glennon grave sites “how do you know its not on track already?” in reply to her statement “people want investigation back on track” and then to reiterate “how do you know its not on track already?” suggests that SCS have a potential suspect killer in their sights as I have previously mentioned period.

Ww777
Sat 09 Jun 07 (10:34pm)

hmmm.... “Curious” above seems to have a writing and punctuation style identicle to “Dr Phibes”.... ho hum.

Back on subject though, has it every been publicly announced whether the victims enjoyed recreational drug use, as was (and still is) common in the Perth night-life scene? Working on my own theory, which could also tie in with phantom62’s theories…

lmcd
Mon 11 Jun 07 (12:03am)

Missclaudia,

You obviously have lived, or do live in a city where young women can walk around without fear of violence. Let us not make the mistake of transferring our anger from those responsible for committing such anti-social acts to those that are run off their feet trying to pick up the pieces. Yes solving a case is a very important part of closure for victims’ families but a failure to do so is not neccessarily a refelection of ineptitude. Even a ‘Police State’ can not impact on the MIND of a serial killer.

JOHN
Mon 11 Jun 07 (02:17am)

Debi Marshall ask state crime squad A Lee why in Feb 2006 he tried to deter a meet with me and his high ranked ex assist officer in charge vince kinsella who 1 week after i unexpectedly met with him as he previously asked at scs adelaide terrace perth suddenly resigned theory has it that he was at odds with A Lee over info passed that links csk prime suspect with other cold case crimes and why was Lee apprehensive and lie when asked if he knew me saying no when his ex oic kinsella ex macro martin crane and zuidriyin [the southman!] demobbed by macro and reinstated after independent review by state crime squad who i dealt with did march 2006 and i still await confirmation in regards to this matter from police commissioner karl ocallahan to no avail

thelma
Tue 12 Jun 07 (07:05pm)

Gary

Is this blog moderated?

Dr.Phibes
Tue 12 Jun 07 (11:05pm)

Well i`m back for a look. Well some say John & i are one & the same. All i can do i laff about that 1.John`s comments you have to deciper as he doesn`t know how to use full stops. C`mon John.

Perthite
Thu 14 Jun 07 (07:58pm)

Hendo30

Well it is funny you should say that !!!!!!!!!

perthmel
Sun 17 Jun 07 (01:46am)

Does anyone know if Ciara Glennon had a BF/fiancee when she was murdered? I have someone saying that he was her fiancee when she died and has produced a supposed photo of her and himself together also giving great detail of how Ciara was found.  I have trouble believing his story as Ciara was overseas for a year before she disappeared and there is no mention of any fiance in any story covering her death. 
I want to know if this guy is just a twisted sicko!

pye
Wed 20 Jun 07 (12:24am)

The Old Bailey murder trial of Mark Dixie who was known sometimes to use the name Shane Turner has been delayed for a second time.  The original trial was set for march 07 it was then put back to july 07, apparently UK Police wanted more time to gather evidence from abroad ?.  It has now been put back again to January 08 . Dixie will have spent a year and a half in custody on remand by this time. It does seem to me that there must be something else still being investigated about his time spent in Australia or elswhrre abroad as this does seem to be taking a very long time bringing him to trial due to the fact that there is a DNA match linking Dixie to crime scene any thoughts?

random
Fri 22 Jun 07 (03:55am)

Id tell the police...perthmel if my boyfriend was dribbling such stuff.Doubt there is a link, lots of info is in the public domain and people can talk shizz too.

My uncle works, or did work for a time with Sarahs dad

if the killer who killed these girls reads this, then I hope they realise at SOME point you will be held accountable for your actions. In the greater scheme of things there has to be balancing...aside from that you can eat shit and die screaming.

Above

The Devil's Playground- The Claremont Serial Killings by Debi Marshall

October 14, 2011

https://hubpages.com/literature/The-Devils-Playground-Serial-killings

An inept police force unable to stop a killer

The Devils Garden

Author DebiMarshall



Missing and never found- Sarah Spiers


Found murdered in the bush near Wellard, Jane Rimmer

Found murdered in the bush north of Perth, Ciara Glennon

 



Please notice the man with a camera  on the top left photo, who looks very like the same man talking to James Rimmer on the left and bottom photo

Video of the wanted mystery man

Haayley odd, missing feared murdered- she may be a victim of the same serial killer



The three girls, all abducted and murdered


Corrupt cop former Western Australian Assistant Police Commissioner David John Caporn

 


Mark Dixie, a suspect murdered his girlfriend

Sally Anne Bowman murdered by Mark Dixie

Former Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough confesses to three murders before death and suspect in the abduction and/or murders of Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon

This book is a literary documentary by investigative journalist Debi Marshall into the Claremont Serial Killings Police Investigation in Perth in Western Australia. To this day the killings which occurred in 1995/6 have never been solved.

In 1995 three girls went missing in the wealthy, fairly serene and innocent, leafy outer western suburb of Perth, Claremont. Sarah Spiers, 18, went missing on 26 January 1996.On 9 June 1996, Jane Rimmer, 23 went missing and was found dead at Woolcott Road at Wellard on August 1996, she was a child care worker.

Her body was found on 3 April, near a track in scrub off Pipidinny Road in Eglinton, a northern suburb of Perth.All spent a Friday or Saturday evening at both the Claremont Hotel and Club Bayview a nightclub close by. On 14 March 1997, Ciara Glennon, a 27-year-old lawyer went missing.They later left on their own nobody saw anything suspicious.

A twist though is that CCTV in club Bayview picked up Jane Rimmer talking to a mystery man who has never been identified. All the hundreds of other people in the club that night were identified, hunted down and interviewed. The mystery man was the last person to see her alive and police are still searching for him.

It is thought at least three other girls were also possible victims of the Claremont Serial Killer. 22 year old Julie Cutler went missing in 1988 from the same area. Her Volkswagen car was bizarrely found floating in the surf at Cottesloe beach the day after she went missing, she was never seen again. 17 year old Hayley Maree Dodd went missing in Gin Gin on, a country town about 50 kilometres west of Perth in 1997, while hitching a ride on the road.

Circumstances- Hayley made a telephone call at 10.30am on Thursday 29/7/1999 and was given a lift by a lady to the North West Road, Badgingarra, WA. She was then sighted by a motorist on the North West Road walking towards the farm where she was going at 11.35am on the same day. That was the last sighting of her. At the time of her disappearance she was wearing, light brown hiking boots, blue denim jeans, black v-neck top, grey men's jacket with a hood, silver sunglasses and carrying a light brown backpack with the word " EQUIP" on the flap.

The book covers the controversial, and sometimes ridiculous methods the police used in their search for the Claremont serial killer. Initially it was thought the girls were taken by a taxi driver, so the police interviewed and took DNA samples from every taxi driver in Perth. There were over 1500 of them. Police then had local businesses print, and donate wanted, and information posters in regard to the horrific crime, and had them handed out or posted all over Perth. This author owned a company called Eureka printing at the time and donated 10,000 posters.

The state government then introduced a one million dollar reward, and the Macro Taskforce was formed. Headed by Detective Paul Ferguson, who later had to resign from this position, as he was charged with the rape of two prostitutes and later acquitted. He was later accused of stealing a dealers drugs, and again nothing happened to him. The next head of the task force was corrupt cop David Caphorn.

Controversially and rather stupidly this taskforce invited members of the public to ring in and nominate suspects. These mostly innocent people were then interviewed and DNA tested, in other words harassed. There were over 4000 suspects! . I was later nominated as a suspect and interviewed and DNA tested only to be cleared and then 15 years later interviewed again and cleared in June, 2011 as were another 2000 innocent men! I am not happy about it.

The ironic part about this is I was living in Perth at the time of course and had rung the police nominating a suspect of my own. A promiscuous, eccentric, lawyer mate of mine had started acting rather suspiciously. He had come to my home at 4 am one morning and broke down crying drunk in front of my wife and I, claiming he had killed somebody, but when questioned further he would not elaborate.

The matter was forgotten until much later, when this bloke’s wife informed me that he had been at Club Bayview and the Claremont Hotel the nights all three girls went missing. He also had in his possession a replica 9mm Beretta which I had lent him. I reported all this to the police and he was investigated but refused to provide DNA or account for his whereabouts on the nights of the killings and abductions. He is still a suspect to this day. This author has since had discussions with the author of this book, Debi Marshall and made a full written statement to her.

David Caphorn the head of this investigation then focused his attention on a male public servant caught suspiciously cruising the streets of Claremont late at night several nights in a row. This person was relentlessly followed and harassed by police for weeks. He was questioned at length and his house was searched and his car and phone bugged. He was innocent. He is still a suspect. The investigation into this man was badly thought out, blinkered and hampered by the tunnel vision of Detective David Caphorn.

Detective Caphorn had a history of this type of behaviour. In later years he had negative findings registered against him by the West Australian Crime and Corruption Commission for framing an innocent man for murder. Andrew Mallard served 12 years in jail before they realised he was innocent and had been framed, eventually they found the real killer Simon Rochford, who had already been convicted of murdering his girlfriend and was in jail. He killed himself when they found out about the second murder.

The police then continue to harass another innocent Perth resident Claremont psychiatrist Peter Weygers, also the lord Mayor of Claremont who had been critical of police publicly. A twist in the story is that he was a suspect because he was renting his house out to a taxi driver mate of his, who because of his suspicious actions, had attracted police attention, and was a leading suspect.

This story has some weird and interesting twists and turns, and when you think you have heard it all the police make a shocking revelation. When asked by the author it they had DNA material from the murder crime scenes to compare DNA they were collecting from suspects, the answer was a positive no. Why then had they spent thousands of man hours and millions of dollars harassing the frightened, and totally innocent men of Perth?

The answer was that in the future, the police hoped that science and technology may have advanced to the point where they could extract DNA from crime scene exhibits they held from the killings. This was a huge long-shot and showed how totally helpless and inept the police and the investigation really was.

In October 2006, it was announced that Mark Dixie (AKA Shane Turner),who was convicted in the United Kingdom for the 2005 murder of 18-year-old model Sally Anne Bowman is a prime suspect in the killings, and the WA Police's Macro Taskforce has requested DNA samples from Dixie to test against evidence taken during the enquiry.

Debi Marshal fell out with the police in a big way over this book. The story is so sad and frustrating but one that must be told. Nobody has ever been caught for these killings but as mentioned above the police are still questioning innocent men by the thousands and have no idea what they are doing. Well investigated. Well written and well worth a read.

A fantastic story about a serial killer on the loose in Perth, Western Australia

The Devil's Garden: The Claremont Serial Killings by Debi Marshall (2007-06-01)

The Devil's Garden: The Claremont Serial Killings by Debi Marshall (2007-06-01)

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10 December 2014 

Suspicious fire at 435 Marmion Street Myaree WA 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...r-days/5960520

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/ar...11-124rkd.html

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-32....A!2e0?hl=en-au

This is the very house that Droc claimed to have lived at the time of CSK murders with his then girlfriend, where he claims TT kept his Bedford van (when he wasn't driving taxis) and where he alleges the group involved had a meeting shortly after the CG murder.

The address 435 Marmion Street Myaree can be found on the first page of the following legal document (sworn or affirmed):

http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/02/...e558cbcfca.pdf

These papers were originally posted on another website by Droc (after both the fire and the police interview), then quickly deleted by him, and then reposted by me when found online. 

18 December 2014 (one week later)

Droc is interviewed by WA Police regarding the CSK investigation where he refused to complete a questionnaire or provide DNA. 

Police would not comment on his account of the interview.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1227168035093

Remarkable timing for a suspicious fire at the house he lived in at the time of the murders just prior to being interviewed by police regarding the investigation. 

In fact on reflection, he is the only person announced in the media as being recently interviewed by the police in connection with the investigation. 

Remarkable life given his interview which you can find more about below:

http://library.fremantle.wa.gov.au/w...%7D&v46=342133

Was closely associated with a church in Beaconsfield. Abbati. Pretty tight with John too. Knew some musicians as well in his day. And had access to dozens of cars since he was released from prison.

Sensational claims in his final bigfooty post on 18 March too (about CSK, GR and others).

His photography isn't as good as his associate TT, judging from the picture of the swamp adorning his FB profile:

https://www.facebook.com/noel.coward.3785

Any ideas on what that is all about? Does it hold some symbolism?

Taxi driver TT has some disturbing photography and commentary:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40680616@N06/4700133475/

Not sure what he means by his associated comment - "Very old and warn, what stories this cake knife could tell." What stories could they tell TT?

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian...22376634464091

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian...55010751200681

https://www.facebook.com/SlutWalkPer...69347849869233

PS: Wasn't Fremantle Prison where David Birnie (who lived in the adjoining suburb to Myaree, Willagee) was initially incarcerated after his crimes in the mid 1980's - with the Stirling Highway his hunting zone and pine forests north and south of Perth his disposal sites. Then Casuarina.

Proverbs 21:15

07-06-2015 Mel 1303 

 Originally Posted by Jezz 

To suggest these girls were prechosen would require a level of luck for the killer that is completely improbable.

I'm going for the wrong place wrong time theory. Killer was opportunistic and these girls just happened to be the unlucky ones.

I agree, I dont believe that these young women were selected prior to their abduction and murder. I was more wondering if loose connection with the killer might have made each or one or two of the women let their guard down- "hey, I remember you from school/ tennis/ the bus" kind of thing.

07-06-2015 Ian Moone 

Wark

I was asked - whether Wark killed the other 2 CSK victims besides just Jane Rimmer?


Wark Killed Ciara!

It would be "easy" from this to say - well yes he MAY have killed Ciara Glennon as well - however a 3 word matrix statistically isn't overly meaningful.

The 5 word search parameters that I entered.. were:-

Frank
Wark
Killed
Ciara
Glennon

So only finding "3 of the 5" search terms isn't statistically at all "definitive".
Yes it suggests that Wark might well be responsible for at least 2 of the 3 CSK victims but it isn't conclusive proof on its own.

07-06-2015  Hermithead 

Great work and a great read! I am glad I went through it all.

 Originally Posted by ExcaliburX 

The address 435 Marmion Street Myaree can be found on the first page of the following legal document (sworn or affirmed):

http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/02/...e558cbcfca.pdf

What exactly is the motive here for changing his story.. is it not wanting to provide an illegal activity (marijuana smoking) as an alibi to police which would be understandable? Or had CG's murder been made public at this stage and his modified alibi was an attempt to avoid suspicion? A weak alibi seeing the cab fares that he mentions could be confirmed by the taxi company - if this was checked of course.

Originally Posted by ExcaliburX View Post

Remarkable life given his interview which you can find more about below:

http://library.fremantle.wa.gov.au/w...%7D&v46=342133

How much credibility do police give to ex-criminals as witnesses?

07-06-2015 Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by ExcaliburX  10 December 2014 

Suspicious fire at 435 Marmion Street Myaree WA 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...r-days/5960520

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/ar...11-124rkd.html

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-32....A!2e0?hl=en-au

This is the very house that Droc claimed to have lived at the time of CSK murders with his then girlfriend, where he claims TT kept his Bedford van (when he wasn't driving taxis) and where he alleges the group involved had a meeting shortly after the CG murder.

The address 435 Marmion Street Myaree can be found on the first page of the following legal document (sworn or affirmed):

http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/02/...e558cbcfca.pdf

These papers were originally posted on another website by Droc (after both the fire and the police interview), then quickly deleted by him, and then reposted by me when found online. 

18 December 2014 (one week later)

Droc is interviewed by WA Police regarding the CSK investigation where he refused to complete a questionnaire or provide DNA. 

Police would not comment on his account of the interview.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1227168035093

Remarkable timing for a suspicious fire at the house he lived in at the time of the murders just prior to being interviewed by police regarding the investigation. 

In fact on reflection, he is the only person announced in the media as being recently interviewed by the police in connection with the investigation. 

Remarkable life given his interview which you can find more about below:

http://library.fremantle.wa.gov.au/w...%7D&v46=342133

Was closely associated with a church in Beaconsfield. Abbati. Pretty tight with John too. Knew some musicians as well in his day. And had access to dozens of cars since he was released from prison.

Sensational claims in his final bigfooty post on 18 March too (about CSK, GR and others).

His photography isn't as good as his associate TT, judging from the picture of the swamp adorning his FB profile:

https://www.facebook.com/noel.coward.3785

Any ideas on what that is all about? Does it hold some symbolism?

Taxi driver TT has some disturbing photography and commentary:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40680616@N06/4700133475/

Not sure what he means by his associated comment - "Very old and warn, what stories this cake knife could tell." What stories could they tell TT?

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian...22376634464091

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian...55010751200681

https://www.facebook.com/SlutWalkPer...69347849869233

PS: Wasn't Fremantle Prison where David Birnie (who lived in the adjoining suburb to Myaree, Willagee) was initially incarcerated after his crimes in the mid 1980's - with the Stirling Highway his hunting zone and pine forests north and south of Perth his disposal sites. Then Casuarina.

Proverbs 21:15

Very comprehensive and interesting post Ex. I don't buy into the group theory of drocs at all. The profile say's different. I think Droc is more suss than TT, and TT considers himself a bit of a photographer? Looks Amateurish with a queer mix of a natural kook in his art. Potions and stars, very 70's drug fueled rock star and a ray gun... How Frankenfurter of him. His profile pics are the only thing that makes me think SK. And his knife comment... Is that how he see's himself? Creepy shiz. The one thing I take from the recent interview and dna request is that they still don't have a hundred percenter they are just waiting on the evidence for. If you post enough wacked out shiz your bound to be sussed though yeah, and Droc done that in smoking aces. Group nah... TT a long shot but still not someone I would not want in my circle. Droc and this fire is a thought provoking coincidence... Explosions aye. Your a great sleuth mate, thanks for the interesting update. As you said Proverbs....

07-06-2015 Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by Hermithead 

Great work and a great read! I am glad I went through it all.
What exactly is the motive here for changing his story.. is it not wanting to provide an illegal activity (marijuana smoking) as an alibi to police which would be understandable? Or had CG's murder been made public at this stage and his modified alibi was an attempt to avoid suspicion? A weak alibi seeing the cab fares that he mentions could be confirmed by the taxi company - if this was checked of course.
How much credibility do police give to ex-criminals as witnesses?

Just because they are criminals doesn't necessarily make them pathological liars. But when you get into the sicko branch of rapists and killers i'd say it's the norm.

07-06-2015  Matt82 

Hi all, just a test post to see if I can put something on. Will post later with my ideas on CSK. Nothing revolutionary, no bs, mult aliases, name calling, wild theories. Just curious as to what happened to these women and feel for their families.

07-06-2015Bartholemeus 

The whole Droc thing is interesting. He was onto TT early in the piece and has shown us evidence that Police lost his information. I even recall reading an article about flaws in the Macro evidence gathering (it was a WAPOL shortcoming that affected the Macro investigation). We can all be nice about it and pretend it didn't happen but there's no doubt Police made massive errors in this case. I think the Police are the only ones denying it these days. Police very rarely publicly admit fault.
As far as I understand, Droc submitted his claims long before LW was a suspect so this was before Macro were "allegedly" tunnel visioned on LW. Furthermore, at the time the police were all over the taxi driver theory.
We can only assume TT was investigated properly. 
Some of Droc's evidence was quite compelling. There's no doubt he was convinced TT is the CSK. He started at the CSK being TT then some woman named Michelle who was a prostitute and involved in the killings, to a group of people making a snuff movie.
I wonder what made Droc so convinced? Did TT steal his dream girl and that made Droc bitter and twisted? Had TT been screwing with Droc's head? That comment about the cake knife - there's lots of little comments like that on the internet by TT. Did TT find out Droc put his name up early and ever since has been saying and doing things to make Droc think it's him?
If Droc was the CSK then why would he approach police and say it is someone else? That is just drawing attention

07-06-2017 Hermithead 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

Some of Droc's evidence was quite compelling.

Where do we get hold off this evidence?

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

Some of Droc's evidence was quite compelling.

Where do we get hold off this evidence?

07-06-2017 Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 


If Droc was the CSK then why would he approach police and say it is someone else? That is just drawing attention.

Or a desperate attempt too unflag himself when feeling the heat was on even if it wasn't out of guilt? The whole group into snuff films is just drivel. Who know's what his agenda was. I would like to know if Droc had access to any taxi's around that time? This fire with explosions sounds really suss considering it was his home when the murders took place.

07-06-2017 Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by Hermithead  Where do we get hold off this evidence?

Read the big footy thread.

08-06-2017  Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by Shadowboxer 

Or a desperate attempt too unflag himself when feeling the heat was on even if it wasn't out of guilt? The whole group into snuff films is just drivel. Who know's what his agenda was. I would like to know if Droc had access to any taxi's around that time? This fire with explosions sounds really suss considering it was his home when the murders took place.

He was onto TT very early. For Droc to push blame onto someone else means he must have been an initial suspect.
Droc hammered Macro/Wapol for years and years when he would not have been a suspect.
The suspected arson and its timing is a bit sus.
From memory Droc went to jail for a sex crime? Can anyone confirm? Could he have been the "known sexual pervert" that was mentioned on CIA? Or I assume that is more likely to be the dude with the lined boot.

08-06-2017 Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

He was onto TT very early. For Droc to push blame onto someone else means he must have been an initial suspect.
Droc hammered Macro/Wapol for years and years when he would not have been a suspect.

The suspected arson and its timing is a bit sus.

From memory Droc went to jail for a sex crime? Can anyone confirm? Could he have been the "known sexual pervert" that was mentioned on CIA? Or I assume that is more likely to be the dude with the lined boot.

Did he just... The plot thickens. He's a top 3 for me now and his passion for making up this group story shows a bit of phsycosis if you ask me anyway. I really wonder if he had access to a Taxi. Was he once friends with TT? Didn't TT from memory have Taxi's out the back?

Matt82 

5

Meh. A house he was in at some stage had a fire? Hardly evidence he is somehow involved. I think despite his tendency for paranoia and hyperbole, that poster had some interesting information. I find it interesting that the police appear to be pumping out fairly lightweight news stories with **** all new info in them. The only explanation I could come up with is that they might be working on assumptions based on this killer'(s) profile. If other serial killers are anything to go by, this killer is likely highly narcissistic and wants to relish the sense of power they experience seeing the police appear with little to no useful leads on who was responsible. Maybe Police are feeding pissweak stories to the media (eg. Snr detective asked David Birnie for his advice about CSK) that reinforce how little they know, trying to appeal to the killer's need to feel in control of the situation and one step ahead. They may have their eye on a POI, hoping they will gloat to someone or reveal key details.

08-06-2017 Matt82 

PS it isn't me. I was in year 9-10 in regional WA. Every person who makes a comment is inevitably accused at some stage.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?222868-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia/page45&s=e7f29c49d2b07aed1ef9705beacb2f2e


Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia P45

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?222868-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia/page45&s=dcffa0fdb894e0cf3f16dfc0898d28a7

08-06-2015 Matt82 

For Droc to blame someone else he had to be a suspect?? So if I knew someone who acted suspiciously at the time of a murder and I told police I would only be telling them because I was personally a suspect? I don't agree with your reasoning. Also you need to differentiate between a person who commits a sexual offence and a serial killer who might perform sexual acts. While most sex offenders do not kill people, some killers perform sex acts. Big difference. Don't want to sound too critical- I just think questioning assumptions presents new ideas

08-06-2015 Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by Matt82 

Meh. A house he was in at some stage had a fire? Hardly evidence he is somehow involved. I think despite his tendency for paranoia and hyperbole, that poster had some interesting information. I find it interesting that the police appear to be pumping out fairly lightweight news stories with **** all new info in them. The only explanation I could come up with is that they might be working on assumptions based on this killer'(s) profile. If other serial killers are anything to go by, this killer is likely highly narcissistic and wants to relish the sense of power they experience seeing the police appear with little to no useful leads on who was responsible. Maybe Police are feeding pissweak stories to the media (eg. Snr detective asked David Birnie for his advice about CSK) that reinforce how little they know, trying to appeal to the killer's need to feel in control of the situation and one step ahead. They may have their eye on a POI, hoping they will gloat to someone or reveal key details.

Of course the police are pumping our bits of nothing, that's an easy assumption. The Info Droc supplied wasn't interesting unless your into fiction. First it started with TT, then a woman, then a group making snuff films shipped to the middle east. I think it's made up bit by bit as he go's along. Maybe it's out of the Sk's hands to feel highly narcissistic anymore or to relish the sense of power. I don't think they have a number 1 Poi as such but a small group and there recent visit to Droc to ask for a DNA sample and interview was feigned away. What innocent person does that? It also shows they havn't got anyone that they are sure on and just waiting for a dna breakthrough or more evidence. I find a massive fire at the house droc lived in while the girls were killed with explosions a massive red flag. Paranoia over a thread of hair or similar as they were now closing in on him. It's such a big read to go back on but If I remember correctly, TT had taxi's out the back of where Droc lived at the time too which has always been my number one theory and there is a reason it's always been the polices number one theory. It's such a big thread to go back and get all the details through the drivel but I'm keen to know if Droc had access to taxi's at that time.

08-06-2015  Matt82 

You said the info he supplied wasn't interesting, before explaining the info he told you about taxis out the back of his house supports your 'number one theory'. Surely it wasn't all useless then? I agree there were some wild and unfounded twists to his contributions no doubt. But this might lie in the chaotic nature of the way it was delivered, in between him thinking he was being persecuted by the forces of darkness and leaving out heaps of info. Or it was just hogwash created out of a need to find an answer. I'm inclined to believe the women were taken by a guy with a taxi or a car they thought was one, as many others have suggested for pragmatic reasons.
Dear Droc, 
What's your take on the fire that occurred at your old house? Any chance someone left evidence there and needed to dispose of it? I'm not suggesting you are responsible but I am curious about what you said about the van getting fixed at the back of your house. Did you have the people you mentioned living at the back of the Myaree place? Join uuuuus. Play nice if he responds Shadowboxer

08-06-2015   ExcaliburX 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

In case people aren't aware, Noel Coward passed on 17 April 2015 from a heart attack.

RIP



The YouTube video of the wake for Noel AKA Droc is attached.

The YouTube video of the wake for Noel AKA Droc is attached.

According to the Ex Sen, Droc had or had access to 27 cars since his release from prison at age 31 (41:30 onwards in the video).

The Ex Sen, who met Droc in 1982 and supported his release from prison, had to get approval from the Police Commissioner to get a drivers licence for Droc. Assume he was on supervised release / parole with reporting conditions and probably under professional supervision. Interesting that her time in Canberra ceased on 30 June 1996.

Driving around at night with John B mentioned at 15.20.

Plod surveillance mentioned at 11.25 and 26.15.


Business including scouting rubbish dumps and tips mentioned at 13.40.

Last edited by ExcaliburX; 06-08-2015 at 05:20 PM.

08-06-2015    ExcaliburX 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 


From memory Droc went to jail for a sex crime? Can anyone confirm? Could he have been the "known sexual pervert" that was mentioned on CIA? Or I assume that is more likely to be the dude with the lined boot.

BF thread post from Droc 10 March 2015:

MadDocker said: ↑
Droc, in the interest of the thread and after all that has been posted here by you and others, are you willing to let the people here know why you were in Fremantle prison? What happened?
I served 18 months for unlawful carnal knowledge
Droc, Mar 10, 2015 #2271

Last edited by ExcaliburX; 06-08-2015 at 04:54 PM.

08-06-2015     ExcaliburX 

 Originally Posted by Shadowboxer 

Did he just... The plot thickens. He's a top 3 for me now and his passion for making up this group story shows a bit of phsycosis if you ask me anyway. I really wonder if he had access to a Taxi. Was he once friends with TT? Didn't TT from memory have Taxi's out the back?

BF Thread post by Droc 6 March 2015:

I am going to cater to your irrational one last time. I was living in a house with my girlfriend, dog and cat, and from SS disappearance, untill after Ciara Glennon, I was jn that same house, with that same cat and dog, and for much of it doing 7 to 7 night security, and also protecting TT's van he was restoring, and possibly and morel likely, he dropped in on his way to work van, or even left from there after working on his van, so in a twist of irony, and apart from my girlfriend, he i my bet alibi. How about that!

Droc, Mar 6, 2015 #1862

BF Thread post by Droc 5 March 2015:

Are! I was about to say it, and then remembered the warning from the Mod, so not sure now, but yes, I do remember her name(s) hard to forget them all, and her 'artie' ways.

Yes, she lives in Perth, but no, does not see TT. Interesting thing about that, is after the murder of Ciara Glennon three of them congregated at my place, two males outside in the shed, and a third dropping in occasionally, and Michelle inside. There was seemingly much friction, and Michelle was expressing hostility towards him, a hatred,in fact. Soon after she departed for Tasmania, and I do not think they have spoken since.

Droc, Mar 5, 2015 #1794

BF Thread post by Droc 18 March 2015 (part of claimed letter to TT - his final post) #2629

Bit preposterous don't you think for me to bring other players into the game, but then I recalled another one of your (that arrogance again) flippant comments after the murder of Ciara as we sat around the table at Marmion street discussing these murders, you, me, Karen, and sweet heather, and let me quote you! “I think people will be really surprised when they find out who did it (pause) really surprised (pause) that is if they ever catch him (pause) or them.”

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08-06-2015    Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by Matt82 

You said the info he supplied wasn't interesting, before explaining the info he told you about taxis out the back of his house supports your 'number one theory'. Surely it wasn't all useless then? I agree there were some wild and unfounded twists to his contributions no doubt. But this might lie in the chaotic nature of the way it was delivered, in between him thinking he was being persecuted by the forces of darkness and leaving out heaps of info. Or it was just hogwash created out of a need to find an answer. I'm inclined to believe the women were taken by a guy with a taxi or a car they thought was one, as many others have suggested for pragmatic reasons.
Dear Droc,
 
What's your take on the fire that occurred at your old house? Any chance someone left evidence there and needed to dispose of it? I'm not suggesting you are responsible but I am curious about what you said about the van getting fixed at the back of your house. Did you have the people you mentioned living at the back of the Myaree place? Join uuuuus. Play nice if he responds Shadowboxer

Yeah, I would agree with you Matt. Fair call. Some of it did interest me but not the group theory or story. It will always be my number one theory that the girls got in a taxi for reason's I've stated. I'm pretty sure that Droc had access to them as well.

08-06-2015     Shadowboxer 

There’s also the chance the CSK had Drocs home arsoned to make a dead man look guilty of trying to cover something up. SR is a very elusive character it seems. I’m sure he reads the threads, but can’t help but wonder if he’s ever posted under an alias. He’s still my number 1.

08-06-2015      Jezz 

Yeah I like SR for it for a number of reasons. One of which is I knew a guy who used to know him and apparently he is not shy about bragging...

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08-06-2015    AngelJoan 

Oh the heaven and hell of world wide websss

08-06-2015      AngelJoan 

 Originally Posted by Jezz 

Yeah I like SR for it for a number of reasons. One of which is I knew a guy who used to know him and apparently he is not shy about bragging...


Yeah they like to brag don't they

08-06-2015      crabstick 

1. Trinity is near Alkimos, on the line, about 5kms before where Ciara was laid

2. A place where prostitutes would know, and a place where a snuff movie might be made, if there is evidence

Someone must know. A prostitute would have been there.

 Originally Posted by billywhizz 

What does "there is an important item 13kms" mean? Where did an ex defence guy take you?

Eglinton is still called Eglinton, not Trinity, according to Google maps.

v08-06-2015      Hermithead 

Eglinton is more commonly known by the road/dirt track out there - Pipidinny.

v08-06-2015       Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by crabstick 

1. Trinity is near Alkimos, on the line, about 5kms before where Ciara was laid

2. A place where prostitutes would know, and a place where a snuff movie might be made, if there is evidence

Someone must know. A prostitute would have been there.

Do you mind clarifying what you're talking about because I'm lost?


Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?299185-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page51

Bartholemeus 18th – 2 – 2016

 

It was actually post on WS. Took me a long time to wade through Droc's ramblings. All I got for it was some psycho accusing me of being in cahoots with Droc as the CSK.


Droc Time line

This is Droc's version of events:

1997 March 14 - CG, the last of the victims goes missing

1997 March 23 - Droc calls crime stoppers

And told them he had information that a swan taxi was at the location at approx midnight and had failed to declare his presence to the task force. He also informed them all the girls resembled the driver’s sister, and his behavior both before the crime, and after, was disturbing.

1997 April 3 - Droc calls crime stoppers again

And told them he knew a taxi driver who was at Club Bay View the night Ciara Glennon went missing, and that he had displayed a fear of being DNA tested Droc also said that in a moment of anxiety TT revealed he was in Claremont that night and left with a fare at 12pm. Droc further informed them he had a dark side to his nature.

1997 May - Droc calls crime stoppers again after CG's body is discovered

He tells them that a taxi driver by the name of TT had been routinely interviewed at Fremantle licensing and had lied about his movements that night. He again also informed the officer that all the girls looked like his sister and previous girlfriend.

1997 - date unknown - Droc calls crime stoppers again

He tells them that TT had previously lied to the task force about his movements on that night, and that the information he had placed him back on Stirling highway at Claremont at approx. 12.20 am and heading towards Mosman Park in a vacant cab. <I assume this is to go back and smoke a joint>

1997 November 23 - This is when Droc claims he first presented his suspicions in writing to Macro. This is referenced in Droc's 1999 November 15 letter to Commissioner M*******.

1998 January 14 - This is when Droc alleges that TT first let slip he was in Claremont that night.

1998 January 22 - Droc meets a Detective M***** and another office at Claremont CIB. The meeting lasts about an hour. The detectives spend an hour trying to convince Droc that TT's alibi is water tight.

1998 December 1 - Droc has heard nothing and police say they have no record of this letter so he sends them another copy. Caporn acknowledges he got the copy sent on Dec 1 1998 in a letter to Droc dated 11 Jan 2000

1998 December 18 - Acting Inspector H****** responds in writing to Droc. This letter has nothing else in it but a confirmation that they have received Droc's letter.

1999 January 21 - Karen Anne Hare makes a stat dec and it says:

Approximately 4 or 5 months after the murder of CG, TT arrived at 435 Marmion St Myaree and informed Droc and herself that he had been interviewed by Macro and told Macro he had a fare to Subiaco and then somewhere else. Ms Hare stated that this was different to the story TT had earlier provided where he claimed he went home to Fremantle for a joint.

Karen's address was c/o Russell St Fremantle. This is the same address that Caporn sent Droc a reply letter to in Jan 2000. But in Jan 1999 Droc's adress is 435 Marmion St as per the below stat dec:

Karen was Droc's girlfriend at the time. BF post 1510.

The Russell St address is that of Droc associate and supporter Professor Newman. ** Just watched this 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o632...ature=youtu.be and it says Droc lived in Russell St.

1999 Jan 21 - Droc makes a similar stat dec

It lists his address as 435 Marmion St Myaree

1999 April 8 - Met with Officer L**** to discuss why his claims hadn't been investigated. 

Droc claimed that in this meeting;
1. He was told TT did not in fact have a fool proof alibi the night CG went missing.
2. He was told that records indicate that TT was not working for the cab company when SS went missing

Droc agreed with Officer L**** for police to hold off on the inquiry into why Droc's information seemingly hadn't been followed up on the promise he would get a meeting with Macro.

1999 May 10 (approximate date) - Droc meets with D*** S**** from Macro.

Droc claimed that in this meeting
1. He explained why he was suspicious of TT
2. He responded to Macro's questions as to why he didn't come forward with the information earlier <I believe he claimed that he had provided the info just that Macro lost it>
3. Droc insisted this interview be taped. They taped it. Commissioner M******* reviewed it at a later date
4. This was the interview where Droc told them he knew their throats had been cut.
5. He also mentioned Michelle/Michele in this interview
6. He also went all out and mentioned the whole snuff thing.
7. And he said he believed the body was buried in a housing development by a builder called R** G******** on Hampton Rd South Fremantle. TT and a few other Droc believed to be involved lived in the old house at the front of the development. <this is different to the warehouse scenario in WGV he was pushing on BF)

1999 June 15 - Droc writes a letter to Commissioner F*******
Droc's address - It just says Fremantle in the letter but it's pretty safe to assume he was living at 31 Russell St Fremantle during this because that where Caporn addressed a response to in Jan 2000.

In the letter Droc says;
1. The reason why Droc knew TT to be in Claremont at 12:20pm on the night CG disappeared was because TT admitted it.
2. Droc claims that he knows Macro didn't follow up his claims because the witnesses he nominated to corroborate some of his claims were never contacts by Macro. Droc has a point here. LW had been a suspect since at least August 1998 so this was the period where Macro were allegedly one-eyed.
3. Droc claims he knew TT was working night shift on the night SS went missing.
4. Droc states he strongly believes SS is buried in a property in South Fremantle
5. Droc says he has been sending letters to Macro for 2 years which suggests he did talk to them soon after CG disappeared. He also mentions Macro lost his evidence and that probably explains the disconnect between Macro and LW and the gap inbetween when police thing he presented the information. There are articles about that confirm WAPOL's evidence gathering system was seriously flawed at the time resulting in lost evidence.

1999 November 15 - Droc write to Commissioner M*******. 
Droc claims in this letter;
1. He sent statements re TT to Macro on 23 Nov 1997 (registered post and signed by an officer) and again on 1 Dec 1998
2. That Mr. T******* M***** of the West Australian Newspapers had been informed by Macro that TT was no longer a suspect based on Macro's policy of "alibi for 1 night = alibi for all 3 murders" and TT's alibi for the murders was based solely on his alibi for CG.

2000 January 11 - Caporn writes letter to Droc

Droc's address - 31 Russell St Fremantle

Caporn says;
1. Got you 15 Nov 1999 letter that you sent to Commissioner M*******
2. As for the letter you sent on 23 November 1997 - don't know what happened to it but you did send us a copy in Dec 1998 and we confirm we got that on
3. Acting Inspector H****** responded to your 1 Dec 1998 letter on 18 Dec 1998
4. Your information has been thoroughly investigated
5. WAPOL has an excellent file management system

2000 April 28 - Commissioner M******* writes letter to Droc supporter Christabel and Professor Newman
It appears Droc's confidants met with Commissioner M******* to request Droc's claims be investigated. It is apparent that they believed Droc's claims enough to get a meeting with the WA Police Commissioner.

This letter is a follow up to the meeting and Commissioner M******* says;

1. Macro adequately investigated it
2. I looked at it and watched the taped footage of Droc's interview from May 1999
3. It was also followed up and reviewed by Macro in May 1999
4. Caporn has personally reviewed the file
5. A lot of Droc's information is wrong
6. Despite Droc claiming there's a discrepancy in how many times TT was interviewed, the actual number is 2. TT has been interviewed twice.
7. Taxi logs support TT's interview responses

2000 May - Christabel writes a response to Commissioner M*******.

In the letter Christabel says;
1. Newman and I are still concerned Macro aren't giving Droc's claims the importance which they warrant
2. Our major concern is that these murders are part of an international snuff movie business
3. It's hard to see how this whole thing can be dismissed on the account of one person (Caporn)
4. TT and others Droc named lived in Hampton Rd at the time of SS disappearance

2000 August 29 - CommissionerM******* writes to Droc

He says: We've fully investigated your claims and they have no foundation

2000 August 30 - Droc writes to Commissioner M******* again

Droc's address: still "Fremantle"

Droc says;
1. I know you watched my taped interview. Can you give me a copy?
2. Can you give me access to all the security cameras around Claremont because I'm sure I will see Michelle in them. <at this point, I wouldn't see any harm in Macro getting a picture of Michelle and seeing if she shows up in their surveillance>

2000 October

A journo from The Sunday Times and Mick Buckley (ex cop and PI mentioned a fair bit in DM's book) interview TT. Droc alleges this interview confirms TT was in Claremont at the approximate time CG disappeared (BF post 1565).<It seems that Droc went to the media and they decided to check TT out>

2011 February 26 - Droc sends TT a letter

The contents;
1. He mentions Michelle, B***s and Peter, B***mans, Abbey, Colin
2. Accuses TT of being the CSK
3. Mentions Michele confided in him that she'd done worse things than the CSK.
4. He mention Michele went to Tasmania after SS

2014 December 11 - Article about the house Droc presumably lived in while the murders happened, burns down

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...r-days/5960520

2015 January 4 - Sunday Times article mentioning Droc

He was interview by police about a week after the fire and refused to give DNA. The article says he was not a suspect.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1227173687915

Bartholemeus 18th – 2 – 2016

Claims Droc made on BF

Droc's claims on BF
1. Michelle was used to lure the girls into the taxi (why would you need a girl if you have a taxi?)
2. The girls were taken to a factory unit in White Gum Valley (WGV). 
3. He says it's on police file that TT was interviewed in 2011. Post 1375. That's interesting. Sounds like he still might be a suspect.
4. Droc had know TT for years before the Claremont Killings and knew many of TT's close friends. Post 1407.
5. TT's taxi was a Ford Flacon station wagon that was replaced not long after the murders
6. Droc claims Michelle told him she was involved in the murders. Post 1413.
7. Droc claims Michelle tried to groom him to get involved (but without going into detail).
8. Michelle was a patient at the drug rehab centre that was in the same street that JR's body was found
9. Droc didn't know for some time that Michelle was a street worker and claims although she was very special to him, they never had an intimate relationship. Post 1421. <I read this as Droc being in love with her but the feelings not reciprocated>
10. Droc says that police claim TT wasn't driving taxis when SS disappeared but Droc claims that TT was living in Hampden Rd South Freo in a house with a unit dev at the back and asked Droc if he could rent his shed because the noise from the dev was interrupting his day time sleep (because he was driving taxis at night). Post 1439.
11. At TT's place in Hampden Rd, TT complained about noise from the development at the rear. But he stayed there throughout the noise and didn't leave until after the slab and walls went up. Droc claims this all happened around the SS disappearance. Droc's theory is that he rented the place knowing there was a development happening and stayed until after he had used it for what he intended (burying SS body under the slab). Post 1439.
12. At Hampden Rd there was also a wine cellar under the front house. This has since been filled in. Droc thinks this is another potential location of SS. Post 1439.
13. Droc claims he saw inappropriate comments about himself on the police computer system. Post 1456. <If I had to guess these comments would have something to do with calling him a time wasting nutjob>
14. Droc claims TT has never said a word to him about the public allegations. No "take that blog down or I'll sue you for all the money you don't have" or "stop accusing me, I have nothing to do with it".
15. Droc claims Robin Napper (well respected forensic scientist who is at loggerheads with WAPOL) sent Droc's file to WAPOL when they were doing the Schramm review. Post 1482.
16. The factory unit at Wood St WGV, the alleged location of where snuff films were made (Post1611); 
a. Droc says Michelle drunkenly whispered to here one night that there was a secret room
b. Droc visits the factory years later and gets access through the owner. He now sees a side door that was previously hidden by racks of timber. There was also an internal door that had been hidden by rolls of material. This room leads to another room which Droc believes is "the hidden room". The owner explains to Droc that this room was previously used as a dark room. There were still remnants of black plastic blocking out light and the owner said he rented it out to a guy who was an upholsterer as well as a photographer.
c. Droc approached the upholsterer and claims he denied there was a room and upon Droc's mentioning of having seen the room he says he rented it to a photographer and confirmed he knew TT and his crew but hadn't seen them for a long time.
d. Droc also asked him if this is where the Claremont girls were murdered.
e. Droc also asked him why only that part of the building had been washed down when he vacated.
f. Droc once drove past and sat TT and Michelle exiting the premises. <Obviously this is where Droc has theorised snuff movies were made> 
g. Droc claims TT was fighting with Michelle prior to each murder and changed houses soon after each murder. <Was Michelle TT's girlfriend?>
h. Droc claims he called the builder of the units behind TT's old residence in Hamden Rd (where TT resided when SS went missing) and made up a story about being the former owner and needing access to get to the outside cellar. The builder informed him that the owner's son had already come around and asked for access to the cellar to retrieve valuables hidden from his Dad because he was a gambler. <Doesn't make sense: Owner (Droc in disguise) calls builder and builder says "Don't worry, your son picked them up because he his them from you because you were a gambler. Have to say I'm sceptical about this whole episode>

The builder told this man (who apparently wasn't TT) that he could access it when they weren't working. The builder told Droc that he came back to work after the Australia Day weekend (when SS disappeared) to notice the dirt floor had been disturbed and he just assumed "the son" had collected his buried valuables. Droc speculates this is when and where SS was buried. As TT lived at the front house at the time and had access to the cellar, Droc speculates this was done to pre-empt a reason for the dirt floor being disturbed. 

17. Droc says he has flight records of Michelle flying into Perth from Brisbane two weeks before JR murder. Post 1683.
18. Droc claims he has knowledge that TT was familiar with the Eglington area. Post 1687.
19. Droc claims the factory unit and the two houses he moved into after the last two murders have all been demolished. The inference is that TT likes to live in houses soon to be demolished so any incriminating evidence is destroyed forever.
20. About Michelle: Yes, she lives in Perth, but no, does not see TT. Interesting thing about that, is after the murder of Ciara Glennon three of them congregated at my place, two males outside in the shed, and a third dropping in occasionally, and Michelle inside. There was seemingly much friction, and Michelle was expressing hostility towards him, a hatred,in fact. Soon after she departed for Tasmania, and I do not think they have spoken since. Post 1794. 
21. Apparently Droc has been interviewed twice by Macro regarding the CSK case. Post 1846. The most recent interview was 18 December 2014 where Droc refused to provide DNA. Droc's reasoning is he doesn't trust the police because they have shafted him before (apparently it went to court and Droc won the case). Post 1959.
22. Droc claims he lived in the same house with his girlfriend throughout all three murders. TT was restoring his beddy in Droc's back shed. Droc worked security from 7pm until 7am.
23. Post 1913: The person who flew and out of the country after each murder, was from England. A strange character who drove around in an old Ford Cortina station wagon, and an old truck. But the most interesting thing was he almost always jogged everywhere he went. You would come across him up side streets, across parks - though never at all in the city areas, and he was a person that loved to scout old dumping areas for junk to turn into art. One of his favorite places was the pine forests north, and likewise similar areas to the south. He was about 35 at the time of the murders.

Bartholemeus 18th – 2 – 2016

About Michelle - paraphrased from Droc's posts on BF

- Travelled in TT's taxi regularly
- Northbridge street worker
- Heroin addict
- Charged in WA for trafficking heroin (flying it in I assume) for a convicted murderer
- After CSK murders she moved to NSW and was arrested with a male over a shooting incident and got 5 years in prison. Post 1469.
- At one stage attended Palmerston Farm drug rehab which was in same road as JR dump site
- She was approximately 35 at the time of the murders
- I get the impression she was TT's girlfriend.



Droc's Address

Hard to pin down but it seems during the murders Droc lived at 435 Marmion St Myaree with his girlfriend Karen. It's unclear if he lived at one point at 31 Russell St Fremantle, or if this was Professor Newman's address? 

There's also reference to addresses in Henderson and Hamilton Hill.

The Fire

The fire happened at some time shortly before 11 December 2014 when this article was published:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...r-days/5960520

This is one of Droc's former places of residence and where I think he was living during the Claremont Killings.

Droc was interviewed by Macro on the 18th December 2014 and asked
to provide DNA.

Claremont Serial Killings

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-70

PenfoldsFan

Wow, what a rollercoaster of a thread.
Finally finished reading the whole thing and I must say, just when you think there is a genuine line of evidence pointing to one of the many POI, something pops up that makes you second guess yourself.

For me, the key to this case in the 'how' as in how they were taken from the side of the road without raising too much suspicion.

Being a South Australian who has never ventured further West than Pt Augusta I am really only familiar with the case from viewing the CIA show and the numerous media articles on the events.
I have no first hand knowledge of the Claremont area or of the figures associated with the case, however, I believe this can be a positive thing as it removes the emotional attachment some have expressed and allows one to focus solely on the known facts.

 

PenfoldsFanMar 4, 2015

 

craigos

craigos said: 

I think the WA Police have got to him.
If any of you wish to remain anonymous I'd suggest heading to an internet cafe, starting a "fake" email account and then creating a bigfooty account with those details and only ever access this site (or others relating to the CSK) from there.

It's not difficult to see who on here is running multiple accounts from the same computer and I'm a computer novice.

Fast forward to 2027..

POLICE REVEAL NEW CLUE: Does anyone recognize this man from internet cafe CCTV footage taken in 2015??

internetcafe.jpg

 

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billywhizzMar 4, 2015

excaliburx said: 
Droc - was Palmerston Farm in Wellard the place you were alluding to?

Droc said: 

YES!!!

Surely WAPOL must have thoroughly investigated any connections in Wellard.

excaliburx, Mar 4, 2015

Calendular

GoSyd said: 

Okies; nice to be back from a month in the cooler. Lets just say it rhymes with 'and' yet starts with the letter B.

Droc...

#GoSyd said: 

Billy. It seems you are not helping things. Okies; Well go and solve the Claremont Cul de Sac Murders yourself. Maybe you will end up in Milan..

Okies’ – now where have I heard that before?


So what do we come up with if we google ‘okies Claremont serial killer


http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...s/has_a_serial_killer_blogged_here/desc/P285/

Dr.Phibes

Thu 07 Jun 07 (10:44pm)

okies. Herschelle, the planet Uranus was the name of the discoverer who re found you. Well the spelling is fairly close. Your comment was excellent re myself & also this case. Credits also go to Who Dunnit of Perth too, Nice letter. Let me tell you all that the bravenet site I linked you all to was written by my lil serial pest. I befriended her & we had a platonic friendship. I fixed her car, kids scooters & bikes. we used to catch up at the woodbridge Pub etc. We had a falling out cause i told her australian native gf in convo (I.M`s) on America Online Lounge chat room that her gf (jules) kid was a brat. Well a humoungous row errupted. This went on 4 ages. I was stalked, anon Ph. Calls at night, sometimes her bad A.D.D. (attention deficeit disorder; {read Absent Dads Disorder} kid itentified himself & verballed abuse me.This ran off like water on a ducks back. But Trust me , he is a future Serial Killer in junior school. So i changed my Hm #. I had 2 mad as hatters women with their 7 combined kids giving me shit for yonks. This Miss Wilson told everyone in the street that i killed SMM. Then i had to reassure ppl that i didnt.The principal of Middle Swan Primary even said she was a bad mum.

Ok lemme tell u that it takes 2 to tango & 2 to have an argument. So mabee i did stuff to lets say, keep cows at bay… Well this Jules woman & her neighbours bf came around & kicked in an industrial radiator. he didnt know me. I didn`t know him. We had a blue later that nite. he threatened me with a baseball bat 4 times, with a gang, with druggies,etc. On the monday/Tue after he came to sort out my car. My Psychic gf in Syd… Yes SYDtold me she felt very distraught 4 me that nite.This guy that i mentioned in a previous post (too)came here, said rumours were circulating at the local that i was gonna harm his defacto & kids ( not the Jules woman) The major prob here is i havent been to the pub in question near centrepoint shopping centre for 14 years. 14 years!! This Jules started rumours to get me whacked. This guy said he had his mates down the street with a crossbow. he pointed a gun at me & ripped open the screen door. I saved myself from a mad man who came to get me.he was in hosp for 6 months & wont be the same again. Now i have this young couple emailing & smsing saying they r following me when they took a pic of me at a food court in Midland when we agreed to meet.Phil & Gemma or whatever your names are, take heed. Dr.Phibes has a very short fuse of late. PPl learn to leave this this lil psycho gem alone after a while. Ps. do not buy land from Mandurah to Bunbury, esp Australind. No one will want to buy a block in 2011 to 2013 when all you will be able to do is fish...Qld is def the sunshine state. Sooo back to the point; Robin Napper did ya like the link i put to the bravenet forum? Seriously Spooky eh?? Am i teasing you? well you started this, I didn`t. Will be in touch. Debi; keen to write?? Stay safe all. Gotta detail the car.... Dr. Phibes.


and


http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...s/has_a_serial_killer_blogged_here/desc/P100/

Dr.Phibes

Thu 28 Jun 07 (10:12pm)

Okay; Debi can you email me back under the Karen… @ hotmail addy. I knew the hotmail addy, but it`s discontinued, so only you & i know the rest of the Karen addy. So make a similiar name to that one & e mail me please. Then i will know its you & not a nutter e mailing me. I will keep it confidential. BTW Debi i did speak to the Special Crime Squad about 2 months before your book came out. It was to do with the SMM case.andyinwa@hotmail.com

Okies; John SMM didn`t go to Swan Districts Hospital because she was on drugs. Her car was left there by another person.Best place to leave a car i guess The Babtist comment was laughable.

Thelma, i believe you are pretending to be an older person as anyone who`s over 40 in perth would know of the Sharon Mason case & that she was found behind Arthur Greers shop in the late 1980s. I do not believe he did her in. Ok i was full of it re the blood splatter in Jelicoe road. Thelms there was a rumour going around (not in here) that I send a map to my serial pest.I cannot comment here or elsewhere, nor will i incriminate myself where this so called map came from..... Btw the date site pic of me is not me. I didn`t suck you in, you managed that by yourself as u posted it, farout…

Bazza re custody of a child comment, we that is not me. There are lots of andys in wa. There are alot of Barrys in Perth too, as well as Thelmas. Bazza as i have said, several people have blogged under the andyinwa name. I did allow them to use it here.they got carried away.Get over it.

Phantom i still stand by the blood curdling scream at Pechey road, Swan View. Did anyone find my old hse & dig up the back yard which is being split & sold off on a corner on Morrison Road? (hint, near the railway line)heh. It`s nice to add some spice into my lines on the seldom occasion. Dr.Phibes.

PS. people comment as to there are 2 or more people writing here as me. This is not so. Often, late at night i am tired, and i abbreviate then quite a bit.Hence Debi saying “the grammar is poor but frequently changes to a well educated style.”


Now I’m drawing a long bow and taking aim at a chlamydia ridden, piddly little pest on this thread with a ‘gf in Syd… yes SYD’, because of all the hundreds, if not thousands of people to blog on the subject of the Claremont serial killer, only ONE in eight years, used that quaint little hillbilly expression ‘okies’ and did so twice in fact.


I find that statistically significant, and a more reliable marker than his excessive use of ampersand (‘&’).

 

CalendularMar 4, 2015

Calendular

Sic em Rex…

I WISH. Sadly the mods on here may well sic ME since they’ve taken a sudden distaste to people ‘potting’ others on here (despite the fact it’s been done systematically to me for months – by GoSyd and Paco Lenesta before him). Hopefully since I have armed them with some evidence in support on this occasion, however flimsy it may be, perhaps they will hold back this time and give me the benefit of the doubt.

‘Could she be right?’ Here’s some light relief while people contemplate things

In the meantime… Andy! Just the man I wanted to talk to. Now I have it on good authority that you ‘admit to looking a lot like MM’. Have we met before? Exactly how close WAS my description?

 

CalendularMar 4, 2015

AAACockburn

Noel,How old would this Michelle Character be today?

 

AAACockburnMar 4, 2015

I think Droc was only trying to tell you all what he knew, what he believed etc. The heading up there to this thread says "PUT IT OUT THERE".
What it should have said is "PUT IT OUT THERE SO WE CAN ASSASSINATE YOU!"
Regardless of what you all feel about his story, you'd have to be stupid not to see that he is a broken man!

 

ToolongMar 4, 2015

excaliburx

Toolong said: 

I think Droc was only trying to tell you all what he knew, what he believed etc. The heading up there to this thread says "PUT IT OUT THERE".
What it should have said is "PUT IT OUT THERE SO WE CAN ASSASSINATE YOU!"
Regardless of what you all feel about his story, you'd have to be stupid not to see that he is a broken man!

Mr Phibes put it all out there too and had a few people hoping for a while - and it was mostly BS and continues to this day.

If you are fact based and credible, say it. If you have fact based evidence talk to WAPOL. If you have a personal vendetta or full of BS go play elsewhere. I am not doubting Macro may have had some problems in past - particularly with tunnel vision. After multiple reviews from interstate and international experts, new layers of leadership and the longest unsolved murder case in WA history and public expectation hanging over them expect they would be on song now. 

What Droc claims if true is suspicious. But if you dodge questions and write and post story tales on writing sites in a "semi-fictional structure" as recently as December 2014 including names, expect to have your cred tested. If you are casting allegations about a heinous crime including naming people you would have to expect that. Too serious a matter to be playing silly buggars.

 

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excaliburxMar 4, 2015

Calendular

excaliburx said: 

Mr Phibes put it all out there too and had a few people hoping for a while - and it was BS and continues to this day.

If you have something to say, and you are fact based and credible, say it. If you have fact based evidence talk to WAPOL. If you have a personal vendetta or full of BS go play elsewhere. I am not doubting Macro may have had some problems in past - particularly with tunnel vision.

What Droc claims if true is certainly suspicious. But if you dodge questions and write and post stories including names elsewhere, expect to have your cred questioned. If you are casting allegations about a crime including naming people you would have to expect that. Too serious a matter to be playing silly buggars.

'Mr' Phibes. LMAO. Said so coyly and with such feigned naivety.

 

CalendularMar 4, 2015

Toolong

excaliburx said: 

Mr Phibes put it all out there too and had a few people hoping for a while - and it was mostly BS and continues to this day.

If you are fact based and credible, say it. If you have fact based evidence talk to WAPOL. If you have a personal vendetta or full of BS go play elsewhere. I am not doubting Macro may have had some problems in past - particularly with tunnel vision.

What Droc claims if true is suspicious. But if you dodge questions and write and post story tales on writing sites including names elsewhere, expect to have your cred tested. If you are casting allegations about a heinous crime including naming people you would have to expect that. Too serious a matter to be playing silly buggars.

Just my opinion excaliburx,
I don't think it is fair to discredit someone by humiliating them.
and turn that around...I don't think it's fair to humiliate someone in order to discredit them.

Phibes is just plain malicious and probably psychopathic
Droc is tormented, wanting to be heard - but is essentially well meaning.

Intent makes the difference

 

ToolongMar 4, 2015

Droc

billywhizz said: 

Fast forward to 2027..

POLICE REVEAL NEW CLUE: Does anyone recognize this man from internet cafe CCTV footage taken in 2015??

View attachment 113651

excaliburx said: 

Droc / Leon / DRAWOC...

Couple of things.

I mentioned the name of a popular Beatles song. You could have ignored my post completely. You chose not to.

You linked it to the name of the alleged person in the taxi. You did that, not me.

If you don't see this is a game, and you have reported everything that you think you know about the murders to the authorities, what exactly is your objective here? You are progressively providing selective pieces of what you claim to know or have supplied to Macro or speculation as what happened. In the past few days after several hundred posts you have provided further information that you were asked about months ago and could have provided back then.

You also appear to post a lot of information online including names. You indicated previously that you were protecting identities including a woman you were close to and yet you post stuff and names elsewhere online where it can easily be found. Why?

You said I have spoken to you. I have not either by phone or PM. I have never met you nor any other member of this forum.

You have made allegations online and elsewhere about these terrible unsolved crimes.

So far this includes an alibi you claim is false, the people you think were involved because of a convo you had with your ex lady friend and your claims regarding their suspicious employment, travel and housing movements around the dates of the crimes (which you have indicated can be verified), the alleged MO, the alleged connection to the Wellard disposal site, and the factory in Wood St with the blue door and dark room where you think stuff went on. Now a map for South Freo - assuming to be related to within 10 minute walk from Wood St. Anything else? Have you previously reported all this to WAPOL?

If there is more information and facts that are relevant you should be discussing them again with WAPOL.

Ex

I idea what you are talking about regards the beatles. You were playing that game whatever it was, by yourself. Well then, you trapped yourself in whatever you got trapped in, be it coincidence clumsiness, because that IS her name.

In relation to the providing information now or then, I delivered the material very selectively, and did so because I knew there was a huge obstacle to overcome; I am and always was aware of the enormity of what I was suggesting! I was playing it as it went, for sure.

Now I have NEVER said that I spoke to you, and I say that without even going back over the thread. It would have been introduced a suspicion, such as "And I do believe you were the one I spoke to bla bla. You give a slight distortion or slant to that, which I should not be addressing.

Yes! On line and elsewhere, these allegations, consistent are they?

yes! all of that, alibi's, interviews, cold case reviews etc etc,dates times etc Yes! Did I make the Task force aware of that, well yes, much of it, and no,not other, but again, they didn't want it! You can't give them what they don't want!

Is there more information, you ask? Most of those things you just put to me, I don't give a damn if you believe them or not! They were not for your eyes! Your eyes just happened to be caught in the middle! But out of respect for some on site, I answered, and yes, I am after a map of the area, and pray tell where that differs from what has been going on on this site since i came here - was invited here! What I wanted to do, has already been done! There is nod reason for me to be here, but hey, think of this, I knew there would be people like you sniffing around, and I knew there was a possibility of serious consequences for this.

 

DrocMar 4, 2015

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Calendular

excaliburx said: 

feral?

Definitely not a Claremont koala.

 

CalendularMar 4, 2015

Toolong

Excaliburx, sorry for picking your post apart but...

If you are fact based and credible, say it. If you have fact based evidence talk to WAPOL. 
Yes, I agree, SPEAK UP, tell them! Go tell them and most definately if you DO have SOLID FACT!
I thought this thread was here so people could sensibly network and look at all theories.
As far as I concerned, SOLID FACT is an admission by a suspect. The burdeon after all is still "Beyond Reasonable Doubt"

If you have a personal vendetta or full of BS go play elsewhere. 
Totally agree!

I am not doubting Macro may have had some problems in past - particularly with tunnel vision. After multiple reviews from interstate and international experts, new layers of leadership and the longest unsolved murder case in WA history and public expectation hanging over them expect they would be on song now. 
Totally agree again!

What Droc claims if true is suspicious. But if you dodge questions and write and post story tales on writing sites in a "semi-fictional structure" as recently as December 2014 including names, expect to have your cred tested. If you are casting allegations about a heinous crime including naming people you would have to expect that. Too serious a matter to be playing silly buggars.
Nothing in the "semi-fictional structure" of a man writing expressively from his heart has a bearing here. He is still human after all.

 

ToolongMar 4, 2015

#1741Reply

MessengerAdmin

Droc said: 

How long has this thread been up? Why not just close 'them; down', and leave the thread up? Seems a bit extreme.

I'm reading this page (and previous) and I find the small group of you that post the bulk of the content spending as much time attempting to work out who is who as you do discussing the minutiae of the case. You've clearly followed each other from site to site. It's hard to work out why you bother.

So id ask what's the point of the thread?

 

MessengerMar 4, 2015

Droc

excaliburx said: 

http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/Drawoc/1451900/

The following is an extract from what appears on writers cafe under user name DROC through the publicly available link above and was posted in December 2014. It is not my place to draw any conclusion but given the seriousness of the subject matter of this forum and recent discussions felt that this should be pointed out.

This story is the reconstruction of a real conversation which took place in 1984 at a cafe in Fremantle of Western Australia, and although in a semi fictional structure, it is a microscopic picture of what transpired over a period of forty years, though the main focus of the story is the ‘creation’ of Droc; an undisciplined character finding expression and self discovery in the written word.

Gino's Cafe

The location is Fremantle, a quaint city on the western seaboard of Australia. Its character buildings date back to the days of convicts and free settlers. Its global notoriety was in the creation of a unique yacht which captured the world’s attention when it wrested the America’s Cup from the gob smacked New York Yacht Club for the first time in the history of the grueling race.

It is a Sunday so the traffic is light as a lone figure weaves his way past the early morning patrons. The main city street is affectionately known as the Cappuccino Strip, with a blend of people as rich and robust as the coffee served at Gino’s Café - which is the lone figure’s destination.

He strolls along the terrace past the markets, with its history going back to the days of settlement when tall ships were at anchor in the tranquil bay; endless chains of convicts disappearing into the underground tunnels beneath the very ground he was presently walking. The tunnels lead from the docks to the prison built on top of a hill on the outskirts of the town, and reminded him of his own ancestral blood dating back to the first fleet in 1778 and a convict named Thomas Josephs.

The atmosphere is friendly and cheerful in this multicultural society; open to all and without the ethnic hostilities or the status quo frosty glass barriers. Customers from all over the globe in all forms of dress mix freely; street people sit chatting with housewives or doctors and lawyers; police chat with criminals; business deals and drug deals secretly occurring; artists and musicians meeting with their instruments and thrashing out new songs, much to the pleasure and entertainment of the customers. It is often joked that the City of Fremantle was managed from the busy café.

There are many ‘hello’s and ‘goodbye’s’ as you saunter " few are in haste along this coffee strip, and there is much joyful waving. It is a place of tolerance and acceptance, where the rainbow clothes of the outdated hippies brush against silk and satin without offense, and multi-colored toenails peeping out from scuffed leather thongs wriggle a greeting to patent leather Pier Cardin’s.

The lone figure recalls those pre-America’s Cup days, as he weaves his way past tables and where locals were basking in the warmth of the early sun, the days when American war ships could be seen in the harbor and healthy young sailors wandered the streets with vibrant tanned Aussie women hanging off their arms, gazing adoringly into besotted eyes. It was a time of music, street dancing, and endless parties " and much weeping and waving when the ships departed for other parts of the world.

The lone figure has a deep affection for the Americans as he recalls a time in the sixties when he escaped from a Boys Home in Tasmania (a small island on the edge of the Southern Ocean) He was a stowaway on a ship, arriving cold and hungry on the streets of a strange city, experiencing chance meetings with American sailors who took him aboard, fed him, and sheltered him from the cold windswept streets.

Many times over the years the story was recalled, giving tribute to the huge bald cook and the piles of ice-cream. The loan figure is also aware that the only reason he is free to walk these friendly streets was due to America coming to Australia’s aid to stop the inevitable invasion by Japan, a fact unknown to many of the people he passes.

Gino’s Cafe is located on the outer curve of a slight bend which affords patrons views along the entire length of the busy street and which is a part of the attraction. It is a meeting and gathering place where locals can sit and chat all day without being harassed by staff to order or move on. They are not obliged to purchase coffee or food, and it is of no concern how long they sit chatting. Gino himself was also often seen sitting with the locals.

In the outdoor area on this particular morning sit a group of four people engaged in friendly conversation. The lone figure takes them in as he approaches. Three of them are long term friends; John, a Welshman who lives in a mobile home and who plays beautiful classical guitar; Rodney, a true blue Aussie yachtsman and who rides his pushbike thirty kilometers each day. Sitting between them is a stunning, defiant and manipulative woman called Michele whose eyes, unblinking and expressionless, lock onto the lone figure as he approaches.

The fourth person is unknown to the lone figure.

There is a queue as I approach the counter, though I do not tack onto the end of it, but within minutes a steaming café latte is handed to me by a flirty Italian female who engages in light conversation. This brings me to the attention of other patrons and my special status at Gino’s as the first customer off the street on its opening day.

There is a mixture of reactions from those waiting in the queue. Some are aware and acknowledge my presence with a hello or a smile. Others show curiosity and their eyes follow me out the door, and there are the few looks of resentment which I ignore as I weave my way between tables balancing coffee in one hand and morning paper in the other, greeting regulars as I pass through to the outdoor area.

My thoughts as I walk towards the table in the far corner are on the woman. My eyes lock into hers and as she swivels to face me, making minute head adjustments as I approach. She stares back unblinking, tanned face framed by long black flowing hair to produce a breathtaking picture. She is dressed to kill with a clingy black top to match the dark eyes. Small breasts make nests in the stretchy fabric, bra-less and proud. Sexy brown long smooth legs disappear into an equally clingy black skirt that has as much modesty as Eve’s fig leaf; it travels upward in a creeping tantalizing way.

Her seal-like eyes follow mine to the table as she shuffles chairs in an invitation for me to sit beside her. She displays a beaming smile. The gesture does not alleviate my suspicions that she is not seeking revenge for some unknown or undisclosed failing of mine and indeed, heightens them. This woman is very tricky. I give her my warmest smile and shuffle the chair closer so as to brush flesh and heighten my senses. The urge to inhale her is impulsive. In return I receive a beaming smile followed by pouting red lips hovering over mine and a wet kiss which ends in a ‘popping’ noise.

“I thought you weren’t coming today?” I enquire.

“Well I changed my mind! Is that ok with you?”

John, being diplomatic and sensing a bristling coming from her (a friend of many years) seizes the moment to make the introduction with the stranger. He rises to his feet slowly and does so in a statesman like way with palms facing up indicating both parties.

“Droc, this is Adam. He is here on holidays from England. Adam, this is Droc.”

We appraise each other as we shake hands. As we shake hands I see a tall slim blonde; a rather handsome looking man approximately six feet tall and around thirty years of age. He was obviously subjected to the spell of Michele judging by his reaction to the intimacy displayed between Michele and myself. A look of curiosity appears in his friendly eyes.

“Droc” he says. “That’s an unusual name.”

“It’s a surname,” I reply. “It’s spelt D R A W O C, and pronounced DROC.

“That’s even more unusual,” he said. “Where does it originate?”

“It’s English,” I informed him, as I inhale the tantalizing odor and soak up the warmth radiating beside me while pretending indifference.

There is an element of confusion on Adam’s face as he repeats what I said.

“Did you say English?”

“Yes English; Leon Drawoc.”

“It’s not a name I am familiar with; from what part of England?

“I lived near Noel Coward " the other end of the street actually.

“You’re not serious?”

“No,” I smile. “Though in a bizarre way, you could say we were on stage together.”

Adam was grappling with this and at the same time trying to ignore the lengths of smooth juicy flesh seeking refuge under a skirt that had turned into a waist band. She was incorrigible, leaning towards him so as to afford both up and down views causing the poor chap to blush. She simultaneously and strategically placed her hand suggestively on his thigh, giving me a coy smile as she offered him support.

“Stop teasing him!” she said, “Explain yourself!”

I explained that my name was Leon Drawoc which was actually Noel Coward spelt backwards and that there was nothing more ‘English’ than Sir Noel Coward, with his invasion of ‘Private Lives’ and the savagery of ‘Mad Dogs!’

“There was no room for two Noel Cowards on this planet,” I informed him. “He was here first, older and a ‘Sir’ so I did the honorable thing and changed my name. Everything about his life was the opposite of mine. He was educated and talented whereas I was just a street kid - a crude wayward Aussie kid living on the other side of the planet. When he was getting a standing ovation I was getting taunted. When he walked beside the Queen, I walked in chains like my convict ancestor; so it was only fitting that I reversed his name, don’t you think?”

I am not quite sure if Adam took me seriously at first when I delivered this. He seemed a trifle puzzled, bouncing looks from Rodney to John, to Michele and back again as though seeking confirmation that he was not talking to a lunatic. With nothing forthcoming he asked his next question.

“Are you saying your real name is Noel Coward, as in the famous playwright, and you changed it to Leon Drawoc, which is Noel Coward spelt backwards, and then shortened it to Droc?”

“Yes,” I replied.

“That was your birth name, Noel Coward?”

“Yes.”

“Why would you change it?”

“You don’t like Droc?” I enquired, teasing him.

“Droc is an intriguing name and very catchy, but Noel Coward was a very famous and talented man. Why not keep the name Noel Coward?”

“Because his fame and name were such that there was only room for one of us on the planet and, as it happened, when the spotlight fell on him a shadow fell over my life.”

“Are you related?”

“That can’t be established Adam. A trace of the family history leads back to a warehouse fire in London, I believe. However, my grandfather swears that we are related and has written such into the family history. That may be romantic fantasy or it may be true.

Michele was giving me her usual dead pan look and had swiveled more in my direction; affording me glimpses of what minutes before was the subject of my inner thoughts and desires, but at the same time denied to me owing to some vague misdemeanor.

“Tell us about Noel Coward,” she urged, taking advantage of the presence of others to satisfy this obsession she had about my past; attempting to peek into my mind to discover what secrets may be lurking within which could be stored away as ammunition to slay the beast further down the track. There were times I expected to see horns coming out of her head. Instead I discovered she was wearing a transparent fleshy G string, accompanied with a coy smile which was also beginning to irritate me.

The others had remained silent throughout, sipping coffee with heads swiveling towards Adam then back to me, then to Michele and back again. Rodney broke the silence and left to order coffee for all. We continued with mundane conversations about sailing and a planned cruising trip and exchanged a few Aussie versus English jokes.

Adam though could not resist his desire to know why I resented Sir Noel Coward as my tone indicated.

“I would have thought it would have been wonderful growing up with that name,” he mused.

“It was a nightmare Adam! It was an absolute, never ending bloody nightmare! As you are obviously aware he was a man of great talent. He was a revered author, playwright, actor, and composer. He excelled in all. He was as well-known as was the President of the United States of America. He walked with the Queen of England and was buddies with the theater elite. His plays were showing endlessly on Broadway and all over Europe. All you heard every time you turned on a radio, a black and white television, or read a newspaper or magazine, was Noel Coward, Noel Coward, and Noel Coward! It was like a massive billboard in the sky for the world to see, lit up in neon and flashing ‘NOEL COWARD.’

Michele had twisted back towards me and the slightly darker indentation in the flesh colored cloth appeared somewhat more inviting; the light brushing of fingers across the back of my hand held a hint of promise in the day - though I had learnt many years ago not to anticipate, out-guess, or take this woman for granted. There were many sharks lurking in the dark pools of her secretive eyes.

“So you really didn’t like him?” she enquired.

“There are many reasons why I did not like him,” I replied. “I always felt as a child he stole my name so I blamed him for the troubles in my life which ultimately led to the Government removing me from my family and placing me into institutional care when I was eight years old, and the disaster of a life that resulted from it. Unreasonable, I know, but young kids can’t see reason in torment!”

I recalled an early memory when I was about five; sitting on the floor in front of the old Bakelite radio and hearing his name come out of that big black speaker behind the ragged cloth. I turned to my mother with glowing excitement and said “Ooh. I just heard me self.” I explained that that was the one and only time his name brought pleasure into my life and for the next thirty years there were no other occasions where that name enhanced my life. When I reached school age it became a nightmare: if you were named Noel Coward great things were expected of you from the teachers. Plus, I had to listen to comments such as, “Oh! Perhaps we should find a place in the drama group for you,” or, “Do you think you will live up to his standards?”

There was also snickering whenever I was introduced to someone which gave me an inferiority complex and introduced paranoia into my young life. It took years to realize the snickering or laughing was not to do with me personally, but due to the famous name I had been given, and it had been going on since I was breast feeding off my mother. It was just an endless nightmare. “It got to a point,” I informed them, “that I became afraid of my own name being called out in class, or in public. When my name was asked I would muffle the surname and allow the person to assume I had said Howard instead of Coward.” You must remember,” I said, “he was in my life every day in one way or another from the time I was born until the time he died " and even then it didn’t stop. To this day he still creeps into my life. I still get the same comments, but I am older now, and stronger, and there is less accompanying laughter with the comments. Also, enough time has passed since his death for some of the younger generation to have not heard of him, or only vaguely remember him. “

As I expected, it was Michele again who asked the most sensitive question, instinctively homing in on my most vulnerable spot. She asked if Noel Coward was homosexual knowing full well he was. It was one of her devilish tactics, said with deadpan eyes staring innocently at me with face cupped in her hands.

“He was,” I confirmed,” and as such, he was disliked and despised by half the population of Tasmania, and loved by the other, more educated half, creating for me another complex facet to the never-ending Noel Coward saga that became my life. When that aspect entered my life it brought violence into my childhood resulting in physical fights and getting into trouble with the institutional staff. The situation spiraled out of control when I was twelve. I wasn’t a large boy and I was also the youngest. I had run away from one boys home and, as a result, transferred to another boy’s home with higher security.

The first two weeks were a nightmare. When it became known that the famous Noel Coward was a homosexual I was taunted. Ironically I defended him. Whenever the other kids declared he was a ‘poofter’ I would come to his defense and deny it, lashing out at whoever made the comment. While he was soaking up the razzle-dazzle and basking in his own glory, the world media was coy about mentioning his homosexuality. Despite that, the rumors swept around the globe, reaching this land of grunting macho males where it was the ultimate stigma! As he bowed to the standing ovation of the adoring Broadway crowds, I was either being dragged off to the superintendent for bashing someone, or lying in a pool of blood after defending his honor; denying what they knew to be true but did not discuss, out of respect.

Adam was mesmerized as I told my story. He was hearing another side to the legend of Sir Noel Coward from his total opposite (his namesake) in a far away country hanging upside down on the globe; a country unknown by many. He was slowly realizing there was much more to the Noel Coward story than glitter and gold.

“And these were not isolated incidents.” I said. “If I were to have a thousand dollars for every altercation I was involved with because he was a homosexual, I would have over two hundred thousand dollars by now! A million dollars or more for all those Noel Coward related comments!”

“How did you come to be named after him?” asked Rodney.

I assumed Rodney was asking why my parents would give me that name if it was to cause so much destruction in my life. But my parents thought it was a lovely name and did not foresee the terrible consequences. It was a unique set of circumstances coming together that could not possibly have happened with any other name. There are two fundamental elements: One, his name of fame was also one of shame; Coward as in ‘weakling’; two, was his homosexuality.

Although Sir Noel Coward was able to rise above the stigma of being a Coward " in my opinion his greatest achievement of all " I was living in a land of macho-madness, and the problems associated with the stigma of homosexuality became mine to deal with. I lived the horror part of his life for him! I took all his s**t! And so I answered Rodney’s question the only way I could:

“I recently met my mother after many years and we discussed this. My father thought it was a good name, and my mother adored Noel Coward. She thought he was very clever and talented. Perhaps she even believed some of his popularity and fame would somehow would rub off onto me and make life easier for me.”

There were problems in my life on an almost daily basis associated with that name, even after I broke free of the institutions the problems continued. By then I had a record of multiple escapes, and was locked into a nightmare that saw me incarcerated for more than eighteen years. The pathway was paved ahead of me. There were so many incidents. Sometimes I was aware of what was going on and why, other times it was years before I was able to dot I’s and cross the T’s. For example, my identification would disappear on a regular basis, stolen by ‘souvenir hunters.’ It was a police officer that alerted me to it when I once asked to produce my driving license.

“I imagine you would get a few of those stolen as some sort of souvenir,” he said.

That was when the penny dropped!

On another occasion I was performing a bank transaction. I didn’t realize the delay was due to suspicion because of my name, and the bank staff calling the police to check. Then there were the endless problems with phone calls. In those days to make a reverse-charge phone call, you had to go through the operator. She would take your name and then contact the other party to see if they would accept. One such operator said “Yes, and I’m the queen mother!” then hung up.

And so it went on, the Noel Coward thing, day after day and year after year. It came at me from so many different directions and with such frequency that I was braced for it on a daily basis. It just didn’t stop! Even a Supreme Court judge once commented that with ’First Fleet’ convict ancestry on one side, and Hollywood Royalty on the other, perhaps I would be better rewarded if I just wrote scripts about my activities, as opposed to acting them out.

The truth was I more than disliked Noel Coward; I resented him with a passion! While he danced and pranced across the stage of Broadway, bowing to standing ovations, I was on the other side of the world fighting his battles and defending his good name, and he didn’t even know I existed! Every time the name NOEL COWARD was lit up in neon signs around the world a giant shadow fell over my life and a fresh round of taunts and comments began. I was most likely the only person in the world that was not sad when he died, and experienced no sense of loss. In some way life changed for me the day he died. I embraced the name for myself for the first time and, for the first time in my life, when someone called my name it did not bounce off my chest like scrabble pieces and clatter to the floor. It passed through my chest and found its lodgings, not comfortable but bearable. ‘I’ was ‘Noel Coward,’ and without the mad dogs and the Englishmen!

Adam also had a curiosity towards Droc asking me if I preferred being Leon Droc or Noel Coward.

“I like both,” I informed him. “I am Droc at heart because through Droc I learnt to express myself for the first time ever without being compared. It did not matter if the quality of what I wrote did not compare because whatever I wrote was taken seriously when authored by Droc, and ridiculed if authored by Noel Coward.” I said, “Can you imagine someone being interested in your writings when they hear Noel Coward saying, “Excuse me luv! I wasn’t expecting a bloody Sheila! Thought yer was a man . . . not that yer don’t sound sexy an all that, but fair dinkum, read me script, it’s a bloody ripper mate! ” That received a chuckle from all, and the conversation ended on a happy light note. Adam got to his feet.

“That deserves drinks all round,” he said, disappearing into the café.

There was a bit of an awkward silence as the others struggled to come back to the moment. Michele was looking at me in silence with those big round eyes and no expression on her face. If anything, the black whirlpool eyes seemed a little lost. Suddenly the mystery of ‘who was Droc?’ was solved, and I do declare, I can recall no other occasion when I had managed to render her speechless " well almost.

When Adam returned with the tray of drinks the conversation had turned lively as further clarification was sought by the others about some aspect of the story. Michele had allowed her hand to rest on my thigh, meaning all was forgiven for the unknown and undisclosed failing of mine and, according to her, I had many, and each one required me to beg for forgiveness before feasting. Adam on the other hand was elated, a grin from ear to ear.

That followed with a bit of light talk while I drank my coffee. I was keen to get going so I could reflect on the morning and its impact on my friends and relationship. I stood, took my lover’s hand and prepared to leave.

“Have you never told that story before?” asked Adam.

“No.”

“You should write about it,” he suggested.

“I wouldn’t know where to begin Adam,” I said.

“There is so much more I would like to hear,” he said. “It was a fascinating story, and from a perspective that one could not even begin to appreciate or even know existed. Thank you for sharing it with us, and one day I would like to know more about Droc.”

Strike Them Dumb

They said Noel Coward was dumb

Because he couldn't read and write

A withdrawn little character

No words with which to fight

And laugh they would upon

The implications of his name

To rule the roost and cook his goose

To play their power game

Yet here be Droc and smirking some

A tickling of the palm

A tongue in cheek

Their cheek to tweak

And radiating charm

Wore them down juggling clowns

The champion of the rabble

To smart by half and no more prepared

I won’t even read the comment to follow before I answer. This is what I do! I put the writing out there, because that is a part of my life and you just may have increased my hits, but unfortunately the page was deleted many days ago, But talking about holding material back and manipulating, the element of hypocrisy here is evident, in your assumed right to withhold and manipulate. Good poem though, don't you think?

 

DrocMar 4, 2015

Droc

Droc

I do

Toolong said: 

Excaliburx, sorry for picking your post apart but...

If you are fact based and credible, say it. If you have fact based evidence talk to WAPOL. 
Yes, I agree, SPEAK UP, tell them! Go tell them and most definately if you DO have SOLID FACT!
I thought this thread was here so people could sensibly network and look at all theories.
As far as I concerned, SOLID FACT is an admission by a suspect. The burdeon after all is still "Beyond Reasonable Doubt"

If you have a personal vendetta or full of BS go play elsewhere. 
Totally agree!

I am not doubting Macro may have had some problems in past - particularly with tunnel vision. After multiple reviews from interstate and international experts, new layers of leadership and the longest unsolved murder case in WA history and public expectation hanging over them expect they would be on song now. 
Totally agree again!

What Droc claims if true is suspicious. But if you dodge questions and write and post story tales on writing sites in a "semi-fictional structure" as recently as December 2014 including names, expect to have your cred tested. If you are casting allegations about a heinous crime including naming people you would have to expect that. Too serious a matter to be playing silly buggars.
Nothing in the "semi-fictional structure" of a man writing expressively from his heart has a bearing here. He is still human after all.

I don't see the relevance here! None at all. If anything it is all out in the open. Who dodged questions!? Point them out to me!! Had you actually read the poems that followed that story, you may have got to know a little more of this person, me his dog,learned his mother died last year etc. Damn shame I took them down!

 

DrocMar 4, 2015

excaliburx

Droc said: 

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I wont even read the comment to follow before I answer. This is what I do! I put the writing out there, because that is a part of my life and you just may have increased my hits, but unfortunately the page was deleted many days ago, But talking about holding material back and manipulating, the element of hypocrisy here is evident, in your assumed right to withhold and manipulate. Good poem though, don't you think?

Droc - it was there last night and continues to be now. Follow the link. No withholding or hypocrisy. Hopefully you won't be deleting it. You indicated the lady was your lover in your story.

You are a talented author and yes the poem is great.

 

excaliburxMar 4, 2015

DrocTeam Captain

Droc said: 

I idea what you are talking about regards the beatles. You were playing that game whatever it was, by yourself. Well then, you trapped yourself in whatever you got trapped in, be it coincidence clumsiness, because that IS her name.

In relation to the providing information now or then, I delivered the material very selectively, and did so because I knew there was a huge obstacle to overcome; I am and always was aware of the enormity of what I was suggesting! I was playing it as it went, for sure.

Now I have NEVER said that I spoke to you, and I say that without even going back over the thread. It would have been introduced a suspicion, such as "And I do believe you were the one I spoke to bla bla. You give a slight distortion or slant to that, which I should not be addressing.

Yes! On line and elsewhere, these allegations, consistent are they?

yes! all of that, alibi's, interviews, cold case reviews etc etc,dates times etc Yes! Did I make the Task force aware of that, well yes, much of it, and no,not other, but again, they didn't want it! You can't give them what they don't want!

Is there more information, you ask? Most of those things you just put to me, I don't give a damn if you believe them or not! They were not for your eyes! Your eyes just happened to be caught in the middle! But out of respect for some on site, I answered, and yes, I am after a map of the area, and pray tell where that differs from what has been going on on this site since i came here - was invited here! What I wanted to do, has already been done! There is nod reason for me to be here, but hey, think of this, I knew there would be people like you sniffing around, and I knew there was a possibility of serious consequences for this.

Here again, you have my story that was actually written about two year ago and on Starlite cafe for a year before posting them on writers cafe, so you December date is not as relevant as you assume, though there is a relevant time element here, the poems were deleted many days back, and therefore, you were already aware that when you left your so called beatles song (inuendo) I assume you were already aware from the story that her name was Michelle, which would make 'Michelle ma bell or what ever, sinister manipulation. If not, the story answers the question

 

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Droc said: 

I do

I don't see the relevance here! None at all. If anything it is all out in the open. Who dodged questions!? Point them out to me!! Had you actually read the poems that followed that story, you may have got to know a little more of this person, me his dog,learned his mother died last year etc. Damn shame I took them down!

Droc - there were some queries about your lady friend around the time the following post was made:

billywhizz said: 

Droc, that is not the most obvious weakness.

The most obvious weakness is the woman who admitted to you that she was involved and tried to recruit you to be in on it as well. You should have a larger file on her than the one on the taxi driver.

It was only last night that you identified her. I only identified that you wrote a story online where one of your lady friends was named.

Droc

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excaliburx said: 

Droc - it was there last night and continues to be now. Follow the link. No withholding or hypocrisy. Hopefully you won't be deleting it. You indicated the lady was your lover in your story.

You are a talented author and yes the poem is great.

Yes, I did indicate that! That is fiction and purely to spice up the story to allow room for the humor, and yes, elements of my deep affection for her.

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

Calendular

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Messenger said: 

I'm reading this page (and previous) and I find the small group of you that post the bulk of the content spending as much time attempting to work out who is who as you do discussing the minutiae of the case. You've clearly followed each other from site to site. It's hard to work out why you bother.

So id ask what's the point of the thread

Messenger, the point of this discussion is the same as ANY discussion. The problem is that the thread has attracted Dr Phibes, who is blogging under numerous names and chatting to himself, and whose sole intent is to misinform, confuse, distress, discredit and humiliate people. I would not be too quick to presume people have 'clearly followed each other from site to site'. More likely, a person has turned up with a multitude of identities in tow.

After painstaking scrutiny, over an extended period of time, this is the best advice I can offer as to what the problem is on this thread.

 

CalendularMar 5, 2015

Droc

Droc said: 

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Yes, I did indicate that! That is fiction and purely to spice up the story to allow room for the humor, and yes, elements of my deep affection for her.

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Droc said: 

Y

Yes, I did indicate that! That is fiction and purely to spice up the story to allow room for the humor, and yes, elements of my deep affection for her.

So you hold or held until recently deep affection for the lady you wrote about online and have have now named, who you allege tried to recruit you into a serial murdering gang that she was allegedly involved in with a taxi driver and others?

 

excaliburxMar 5, 2015

Calendular

CalendularDebutant

Droc said: 

Can

I go home now?

Yes droc. Take a well deserved break. By the way, the story was very good. If I wasn't so annoyed with Andy right now, I'd thank him for searching out and bringing that beautiful work to the table.

 

CalendularMar 5, 2015

CalendularDebutant

excaliburx said: 

So you hold or held until recently deep affection for the lady you wrote about online and have have now named, who you allege tried to recruit you into a serial murdering gang that she was allegedly involved in with a taxi driver and others?

Oh for crying out loud. Give it a break!

HELD would be the operative word. He's not with her any more! Have you got no understanding of the interiors of people?

 

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CalendularMar 5, 2015

Droc

DrocTeam Captain

excaliburx said: 

So you hold or held until recently deep affection for the lady you wrote about online and have have now named, who you allege tried to recruit you into a serial murdering gang that she was allegedly involved in with a taxi driver and others?

Yes! Can we have your enlightened moral judgement on that!

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

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Calendular said: 

Oh for crying out loud. Give it a break!

Have you got no understanding of people and life whatsoever?

Calendular - theories in a forum are one thing, naming people publicly in a serial murder investigation is another.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Droc has now named two people he alleges are involved in the three murders.

Which is a rather serious matter, no?

 

excaliburxMar 5, 2015

DrocTeam Captain

Droc said: 

Yes! Can we have your enlightened moral judgement on that!

And

And no! I did not say she tried to recruit me into a serial murder gang!!! It is what pisses me off about you, you slight distortion of the truth to put your own own slant on it. I CLEARLY said that I did not know what - and I used the word 'groom) she was trying to groom me for! Droc, Mar 5, 2015

DrocTeam Captain

excaliburx said: 

Calendular - theories in a forum are one thing, naming people publicly in a serial murder investigation is another.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Droc has now named two people he alleges are involved in the three murders.

Which is a rather serious matter, no?

Yess! Serious! So is putting yourself out there to be charged, or sued, or have your life picked over, and face possible humiliation and ridicule if you are wrong, and recriminations, which are happening, 'right or wrong!' I ******* stand before the crowd with what I say! I don't hide behind a mask and play games. "I put there names out there for others to identify! I put it out there to have someone 'pick it up and test it,' and to get it out of my life, and I am still waiting!

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

Droc

Droc said: 

Yes! Can we have your enlightened moral judgement on that!

"Give me your enlightened moral judgement on this!"

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

Calendular

excaliburx said: 

Calendular - theories in a forum are one thing, naming people publicly in a serial murder investigation is another.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Droc has now named two people he alleges are involved in the three murders.

Which is a rather serious matter, no?

Nah. They've already been mentioned elsewhere. And there's a million Michelles in the world.

 

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Droc - you claim to have deep affection for this lady friend who you say "groomed", not recruited you, to join the gang and yet outline her less savoury details below and in other posts, use her real Christian name in an easily locatable writing forum and then confirm here that she is the lady in the taxi you allege is involved. You also say you will name her when the thread reveals it is ready for it in your response to two planks some time back. You dodge questions when it suits.

Droc said: 

Two planks, your not as thick as, but if you really feel my case falls down because I don't name the girl, then I question your capacity to analyses anything I put forward, and I could throw back at you that that the Task Force didn't reject Gajewski's (alibi explanation) because he didn't name the mysterious drunk? Are you better or worse than them?

I am not being smart or nasty, but the truth is you are applying pressure and saying that because YOU want to know the name of the girl, not that you have difficulty believing hat I say, even if you do! I named Gajewski because he was the taxi driver identified as being there, as not having an alib, and the first logical step is to probe the most obvious weakness. There are people around fremantle who know more about this driver and his behavior. If I were to have thrown her name into the mix prior to this, then it would have confused and detracted from what we are already dealing with. I am not refusing to name the girl, but we must work our way to it. I will name her when the thread reveals it is ready for it, and I see no signs of that as yet, but name her I will.

And the reason I will is because the WA police have treated this as though it is there problem alone, whereas I see the possibility that there may have been incidents in other states. For example NSW. After the Ciara Glennon murder she ended up in NSW and became involved in an incident with a male that involved a shooting. As a result she served five years in prison. I do not know any details other than that, but it was a fact, and details will be recoded, just as there are details about her conviction here in WA after the murder of Ciara, of her trafficking heroin into a convicted killer. Etc.

And I might add, that this conviction was after I had named her to the Task Force, and they did not even question her. I also know that when she was arrested I brought to the attention of the police there was a string of fraud offenses she was wanted for under an alias, and there still are. And she still walks the streets here with her drug dealing male companion.

excaliburx said: 

Droc - there were some queries about your lady friend around the time the following post was made.

It was only last night that you identified her. I only identified that you wrote a story online where one of your lady friends was named.

excaliburx, Mar 5, 2015

Calendular

Droc said: 

an

And no! I did not say she tried to recruit me into a serial murder gang!!! It is what pisses me off about you, you slight distortion of the truth to put your own own slant on it. I CLEARLY said that I did not know what - and I used the word 'groom) she was trying to groom me for!

God yeah droc. I can't stand that either!

You definitely said 'groom' and there a HUGE difference. Groom is a subtle thing, happens over time and you don't quite know its happening. Can actually be quite traumatic when a person realises what it was all about, and that can be long after the person has gone from their life. Then you realise what the phrase 'mental and emotional landmine' means.

 

CalendularMar 5, 2015

DrocTeam Captain

excaliburx said: 

Droc - you claim to have deep affection for this lady friend who you say "groomed", not recruited you, to join the gang and yet outline her less savoury details below and in other posts, use her real Christian name in an easily locatable writing forum and then confirm here that she is the lady in the taxi you allege is involved with serious crimes. You also say you will name her when the thread reveals it is ready for it in your response to two planks some time back. You dodge questions when it suits.

So? I didn't dodge it! As you were not the one releasing the material, and telling the story, when did you (an individual) claim input into how it was delivered, and in what sequence? That was for me to decide, and dictated by what was happening on the thread, which I did.

Droc

DrocTeam Captain

Big sigh! Wow! Droc, Mar 5, 2015

excaliburx

Droc said: 

So? I didn't dodge it! As you were not the one releasing the material, and telling the story, when did you (an individual) claim input into how it was delivered, and in what sequence? That was for me to decide, and dictated by what was happening on the thread, which I did.

Sounds like serious games to me Droc. I suspect you initially came to this forum to garner some sympathy for your ongoing claims of a cover-up by WAPOL, air the grievance publicly and judging from recent days a personal vendetta and as a place where you string along a crowd and get some attention with selective information / theories.

If you were intent on providing the police with relevant evidence (and not fiction), assist the families to achieve some closure and the public some peace of mind about CSK your approach ain't working. You just indicated earlier today that you have provided police with some information but not all as they weren't listening. An easy way to solve that is document EVERYTHING you claim to know and send it through a lawyer to WAPOL.

After all as you said

Droc said: 

You should care if it is fantasy or not! I have a reason for doing this, but i am mindful it is about the loss of three lives and the suffering of thee families.

I am not convinced so will no longer be wasting further time. I hope you find some peace. 

Ciao
Ex

 

excaliburxMar 5, 2015

Droc

DrocTeam Captain

Droc said: 

And my friend, you missed this one, if scrutiny is what it is about. And i could possibly bow out on this!


The Silenced Messenger



His minds like an old clock struggling with time; a rusty spring almost sprung. The second hand, races ahead downhill, and lags behind up-hill; highs and lows; excitement and despair! And when he looks into the mirror into the face looking back - as he does with curiosity from time to time - the face is now cracked and worn and somewhat faded. He stands on the edge of the earth staring down into the void of humanity. The sunset shadow of his mobile home licks at his feet. The cold ocean wind carries with it a bark, and as a wet nose nuzzles into his hand, creating a crack in the twilight zone of momentary insanity; his dog, unaware of her psychology.


He gazes into the intensity of her eyes.

“Come Dog,” he calls. “Back to the mobile home and watch a movie.”

His mind delves into that famous case that scanned so many faces, the rich, the poor, the innocent, but never the guilty. Of such high profile it was discussed across all facets of society, gaining an assortment of names; The coffee shop case; The factory floor case; the’ In Your Face Case’ that entered bedrooms and closets. The serial killings as they are known, and an investigation escalating into a morbid circus of death and destruction, errors, corruption, and the file in the messengers lap.


Yes! His journal! His story! His thirteen years of bitumen and gravel thoughts and grave yard justice, with the ghost of corruption traveling in his slip-stream! And this incredible story (that may not be told should he get lost in the journey) is about to unfold. The burden of truth be it his or theirs to bear, or yours the reader, for that matter; and who to judge?

He is familiar with all the names and changing faces - a vogue of the powerful, rich and famous, yes! The Superintendents the many, the Commissioners the many, Police minister the many, and Editors who are, then are not, and levitate from written word to radio. There were many Crime Commissioners, Royal Commissioners, Politicians and the like. Justice! A twisting narrow road pitted and pot-holed, where innocent people fear to tread. Where he fears to tread!


And he ponders this from the doorway of his Mobile Home whilst gazing across the Indian Ocean. He talks to his dog about this as he gazes over the Indian Ocean.

“What should we do dog” He asks?

He sees white caps on murky water and so few of them. Like flickering candles wedged between sky and ocean and offering little light. Where rain clouds hover overhead like bladders of bleakness. And he gets lost in these thoughts; depressed in these thoughts. He drowns in these thoughts because he is so alone in these thoughts, and, as has become the cycle of life, its fur, wet nose, or padded paw that is the pathway to the present, his dog, his nudge with no wink. He kneels to pat her; a quiver to a touch; his friend of thirteen years and five bus seats.

“Come Dog,”' he calls. “Go chase the seagulls then let’s be on our way.”

He experiences the fluctuations of insanity; palpitations of paranoia; the moments of pumping heart and stopping time from door knocks of the past; The surreal; The real; And which is real? There were those who believed and those who didn't, and the silence of them both! Yes! The cloud over a serial killing! Gathering dust in his slip-stream and filtering into the moment; on the highway of no direction travels the messenger of no choice, with no voice!

“It’s OK,” he calls to his dog. “It’s OK.” But it is not OK! All the seeing eyes and hearing ears giving off silence! The empty echo's from the chamber of optic fiber! The fears to tread where boys club members leave a print! Angers breaks over him like a swirling wave - a dumper as it is called – and then again – so familiar – swept away in a rip of hypocrisy!

Thirteen years of Clayton the magician! Thirteen years of evidence missing! Thirteen years of scrabbled words waiting for the bang; of slamming doors with silent locks and echoes in the ear. The moment of truth – or his own burden to bear! The accusations have been made - fingers pointed and the like, and he ponder this, gives this much thought along the way, from the bush-rangers view of 'Tommie's Rock' he gives this thought. Like whispers of warning from Tommie's ghost and the demons in pursuit, he gives this much thought

“Come dog,” he says. “It’s time to do those ears.”

Changing stories and bizarre phone calls? Midnight calls with silence clawing its way down the spiraling cable stopping short just a hairs breathe away. \He stays fast and stares it down! It could be the serial killer? It could be a rogue police officer? It could be frosty gray eyes leading to a perfect mound and juice of forbidden fruit? What of secret rooms and rituals . . . and vague figures dancing to the music of the past . . . and one in velvet lingerie and fearsome mask and flowing blood? It could be He, looking down the spent barrel, or jabbering men in white coats and Jekyll with nowhere to hide; Insanity, and still no place to hide! 

And so he walks his faithful dog, and. every sunset and sunrise; ‘Dog! His sounding board where nothing speaks; his contact with sanity, his ears, his eyes; and to the mountains he speaks aloud. “Hey dog! (The echo bounce back) Hey dog! Do you remember that house with the cellar out the back, and the sneezing warning in misty night? What say you dog of red and blue? What say you of these things that dog our tail? These ghostly figures of gushing blood and hooded past. What say you dog? When will the name be spoken, the years of silence a cascade through the crevice of despair?

And he thinks of these things along the way, the desert sands, the mountain peaks - the winding dotted coastal roads. H thinks of these things, of spoken words to be denied. He thinks of the closet, and what’s inside? Whispered voices behind closed doors, he thinks, and who should have such power!? And into this murky water he wades, ankle deep and up to the neck, and he’s so tired. The mind exhausted, and on the setting sun, he calls.

“I'll tell you what dog” He says, watching lazy ears unfurl. “Half my chicken and forgo the walk?”

Mental gymnastics! Now that’s his game; stepping outside the hoop; survival in unchartered waters; Instincts buzzing in a vacuum; skills from institutional loop! Lawyers do it! Politicians do it, to avoid the truth or get to it, both the same. And so he plays this game of yes and no, of rage and resignation, and here he is doing it again, dragging his feet to get to it, his journey, and whispered declaration of a secret!.

But he hovers on the brink of the unknown? He has cast boiling water onto icy stones saying cold case reviews were corrupted, and investigations interrupted. He spoke of rituals behind the barricades of bolts and bits.

He will play games with you and scramble words, and that is true. The clue to truth is not the pieces of the jigsaw, but the holes that paint the picture. Vanishing files, that’s a hole, and resident of country road where body finds no rest, that’s a hole. And what of Alibi's that don't exist, and the truth within the ramblings, that’s a hole?


And here he goes again, playing with you. He has so much to type in such a short time so he must make the big picture smaller. He must nudge himself forward, and do it for his sanity . . . scramble words and play with you that is – and acknowledge your his sounding board, his psychologist, and although he can’t anticipate the final outcome, his protector. And so he will share this with you.

“Things that escape you invade his mind!. If the truth can’t be found then a lie will subscribe! He is the messenger and he as a secret!”




The end

night!

Can I go home now?

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

excaliburx said: 

Sounds like serious games to me Droc. I suspect you initially came to this forum to garner some sympathy for your ongoing claims of a cover-up by WAPOL, air the grievance publicly and judging from recent days a personal vendetta and as a place where you string along a crowd and get some attention with selective information / theories.

If you were intent on providing the police with relevant evidence (and not fiction), assist the families to achieve some closure and the public some peace of mind about CSK your approach ain't working. You just indicated earlier today that you have provided police with some information but not all as they weren't listening. An easy way to solve that is document EVERYTHING you claim to know and send it through a lawyer to WAPOL.

After all as you said:



I am not convinced so will no longer be wasting further time. I hope you find some peace.

Ciao
Ex

I have given myself priority over the families. You miss the point! And the point was and is, this is about closure for me! This is about getting my life back! And this was not about seeking your approval or not. You are just not listening! I used this post to reach other, those who do not need convincing! My answering your questions, I did so out of courtesy, not obligation! Already what I wanted to happen, has happened. Your final judgement aside, what is your interpretation of my position, if in fact it were to pan out the way I said. What is your calculation of the harm done to me as a result?s Can we get that on record?

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

Droc

DrocTeam Captain

Droc said: 

There you go again with this distortion of the truth! semi fictional, and obvious. I don't have to destroy your arguments. You erase the credibility yourself!

di

Personally think you should go read some Droc Poetry, and chill out!

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

Droc

DrocTeam Captain

No

Calendular said: 

The saddest thing, the most ludicrous thing, is the amount of time and energy that we have wasted, trying toz reason with you.

No! **** no! The thing would be if I came across similar information again, there's a chance I would not present it! When I hear someone mention my civic duty, I will stare at them in silence.

I will make it a point to meet you back here at the appropriate time!

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

Droc

DrocTeam Captain

excaliburx said: 

http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/Drawoc/1451900/

The following is an extract from what appears on writers cafe under user name DROC through the publicly available link above and was posted in December 2014. It is not my place to draw any conclusion but given the seriousness of the subject matter of this forum and recent discussions felt that this should be pointed out.

This story is the reconstruction of a real conversation which took place in 1984 at a cafe in Fremantle of Western Australia, and although in a semi fictional structure, it is a microscopic picture of what transpired over a period of forty years, though the main focus of the story is the ‘creation’ of Droc; an undisciplined character finding expression and self discovery in the written word.

Gino's Cafe

The location is Fremantle, a quaint city on the western seaboard of Australia. Its character buildings date back to the days of convicts and free settlers. Its global notoriety was in the creation of a unique yacht which captured the world’s attention when it wrested the America’s Cup from the gob smacked New York Yacht Club for the first time in the history of the grueling race.

It is a Sunday so the traffic is light as a lone figure weaves his way past the early morning patrons. The main city street is affectionately known as the Cappuccino Strip, with a blend of people as rich and robust as the coffee served at Gino’s Café - which is the lone figure’s destination.

He strolls along the terrace past the markets, with its history going back to the days of settlement when tall ships were at anchor in the tranquil bay; endless chains of convicts disappearing into the underground tunnels beneath the very ground he was presently walking. The tunnels lead from the docks to the prison built on top of a hill on the outskirts of the town, and reminded him of his own ancestral blood dating back to the first fleet in 1778 and a convict named Thomas Josephs.

The atmosphere is friendly and cheerful in this multicultural society; open to all and without the ethnic hostilities or the status quo frosty glass barriers. Customers from all over the globe in all forms of dress mix freely; street people sit chatting with housewives or doctors and lawyers; police chat with criminals; business deals and drug deals secretly occurring; artists and musicians meeting with their instruments and thrashing out new songs, much to the pleasure and entertainment of the customers. It is often joked that the City of Fremantle was managed from the busy café.

There are many ‘hello’s and ‘goodbye’s’ as you saunter " few are in haste along this coffee strip, and there is much joyful waving. It is a place of tolerance and acceptance, where the rainbow clothes of the outdated hippies brush against silk and satin without offense, and multi-colored toenails peeping out from scuffed leather thongs wriggle a greeting to patent leather Pier Cardin’s.

The lone figure recalls those pre-America’s Cup days, as he weaves his way past tables and where locals were basking in the warmth of the early sun, the days when American war ships could be seen in the harbor and healthy young sailors wandered the streets with vibrant tanned Aussie women hanging off their arms, gazing adoringly into besotted eyes. It was a time of music, street dancing, and endless parties " and much weeping and waving when the ships departed for other parts of the world.

The lone figure has a deep affection for the Americans as he recalls a time in the sixties when he escaped from a Boys Home in Tasmania (a small island on the edge of the Southern Ocean) He was a stowaway on a ship, arriving cold and hungry on the streets of a strange city, experiencing chance meetings with American sailors who took him aboard, fed him, and sheltered him from the cold windswept streets.

Many times over the years the story was recalled, giving tribute to the huge bald cook and the piles of ice-cream. The loan figure is also aware that the only reason he is free to walk these friendly streets was due to America coming to Australia’s aid to stop the inevitable invasion by Japan, a fact unknown to many of the people he passes.

Gino’s Cafe is located on the outer curve of a slight bend which affords patrons views along the entire length of the busy street and which is a part of the attraction. It is a meeting and gathering place where locals can sit and chat all day without being harassed by staff to order or move on. They are not obliged to purchase coffee or food, and it is of no concern how long they sit chatting. Gino himself was also often seen sitting with the locals.

In the outdoor area on this particular morning sit a group of four people engaged in friendly conversation. The lone figure takes them in as he approaches. Three of them are long term friends; John, a Welshman who lives in a mobile home and who plays beautiful classical guitar; Rodney, a true blue Aussie yachtsman and who rides his pushbike thirty kilometers each day. Sitting between them is a stunning, defiant and manipulative woman called Michele whose eyes, unblinking and expressionless, lock onto the lone figure as he approaches.

The fourth person is unknown to the lone figure.

There is a queue as I approach the counter, though I do not tack onto the end of it, but within minutes a steaming café latte is handed to me by a flirty Italian female who engages in light conversation. This brings me to the attention of other patrons and my special status at Gino’s as the first customer off the street on its opening day.

There is a mixture of reactions from those waiting in the queue. Some are aware and acknowledge my presence with a hello or a smile. Others show curiosity and their eyes follow me out the door, and there are the few looks of resentment which I ignore as I weave my way between tables balancing coffee in one hand and morning paper in the other, greeting regulars as I pass through to the outdoor area.

My thoughts as I walk towards the table in the far corner are on the woman. My eyes lock into hers and as she swivels to face me, making minute head adjustments as I approach. She stares back unblinking, tanned face framed by long black flowing hair to produce a breathtaking picture. She is dressed to kill with a clingy black top to match the dark eyes. Small breasts make nests in the stretchy fabric, bra-less and proud. Sexy brown long smooth legs disappear into an equally clingy black skirt that has as much modesty as Eve’s fig leaf; it travels upward in a creeping tantalizing way.

Her seal-like eyes follow mine to the table as she shuffles chairs in an invitation for me to sit beside her. She displays a beaming smile. The gesture does not alleviate my suspicions that she is not seeking revenge for some unknown or undisclosed failing of mine and indeed, heightens them. This woman is very tricky. I give her my warmest smile and shuffle the chair closer so as to brush flesh and heighten my senses. The urge to inhale her is impulsive. In return I receive a beaming smile followed by pouting red lips hovering over mine and a wet kiss which ends in a ‘popping’ noise.

“I thought you weren’t coming today?” I enquire.

“Well I changed my mind! Is that ok with you?”

John, being diplomatic and sensing a bristling coming from her (a friend of many years) seizes the moment to make the introduction with the stranger. He rises to his feet slowly and does so in a statesman like way with palms facing up indicating both parties.

“Droc, this is Adam. He is here on holidays from England. Adam, this is Droc.”

We appraise each other as we shake hands. As we shake hands I see a tall slim blonde; a rather handsome looking man approximately six feet tall and around thirty years of age. He was obviously subjected to the spell of Michele judging by his reaction to the intimacy displayed between Michele and myself. A look of curiosity appears in his friendly eyes.

“Droc” he says. “That’s an unusual name.”

“It’s a surname,” I reply. “It’s spelt D R A W O C, and pronounced DROC.

“That’s even more unusual,” he said. “Where does it originate?”

“It’s English,” I informed him, as I inhale the tantalizing odor and soak up the warmth radiating beside me while pretending indifference.

There is an element of confusion on Adam’s face as he repeats what I said.

“Did you say English?”

“Yes English; Leon Drawoc.”

“It’s not a name I am familiar with; from what part of England?

“I lived near Noel Coward " the other end of the street actually.

“You’re not serious?”

“No,” I smile. “Though in a bizarre way, you could say we were on stage together.”

Adam was grappling with this and at the same time trying to ignore the lengths of smooth juicy flesh seeking refuge under a skirt that had turned into a waist band. She was incorrigible, leaning towards him so as to afford both up and down views causing the poor chap to blush. She simultaneously and strategically placed her hand suggestively on his thigh, giving me a coy smile as she offered him support.

“Stop teasing him!” she said, “Explain yourself!”

I explained that my name was Leon Drawoc which was actually Noel Coward spelt backwards and that there was nothing more ‘English’ than Sir Noel Coward, with his invasion of ‘Private Lives’ and the savagery of ‘Mad Dogs!’

“There was no room for two Noel Cowards on this planet,” I informed him. “He was here first, older and a ‘Sir’ so I did the honorable thing and changed my name. Everything about his life was the opposite of mine. He was educated and talented whereas I was just a street kid - a crude wayward Aussie kid living on the other side of the planet. When he was getting a standing ovation I was getting taunted. When he walked beside the Queen, I walked in chains like my convict ancestor; so it was only fitting that I reversed his name, don’t you think?”

I am not quite sure if Adam took me seriously at first when I delivered this. He seemed a trifle puzzled, bouncing looks from Rodney to John, to Michele and back again as though seeking confirmation that he was not talking to a lunatic. With nothing forthcoming he asked his next question.

“Are you saying your real name is Noel Coward, as in the famous playwright, and you changed it to Leon Drawoc, which is Noel Coward spelt backwards, and then shortened it to Droc?”

“Yes,” I replied.

“That was your birth name, Noel Coward?”

“Yes.”

“Why would you change it?”

“You don’t like Droc?” I enquired, teasing him.

“Droc is an intriguing name and very catchy, but Noel Coward was a very famous and talented man. Why not keep the name Noel Coward?”

“Because his fame and name were such that there was only room for one of us on the planet and, as it happened, when the spotlight fell on him a shadow fell over my life.”

“Are you related?”

“That can’t be established Adam. A trace of the family history leads back to a warehouse fire in London, I believe. However, my grandfather swears that we are related and has written such into the family history. That may be romantic fantasy or it may be true.

Michele was giving me her usual dead pan look and had swiveled more in my direction; affording me glimpses of what minutes before was the subject of my inner thoughts and desires, but at the same time denied to me owing to some vague misdemeanor.

“Tell us about Noel Coward,” she urged, taking advantage of the presence of others to satisfy this obsession she had about my past; attempting to peek into my mind to discover what secrets may be lurking within which could be stored away as ammunition to slay the beast further down the track. There were times I expected to see horns coming out of her head. Instead I discovered she was wearing a transparent fleshy G string, accompanied with a coy smile which was also beginning to irritate me.

The others had remained silent throughout, sipping coffee with heads swiveling towards Adam then back to me, then to Michele and back again. Rodney broke the silence and left to order coffee for all. We continued with mundane conversations about sailing and a planned cruising trip and exchanged a few Aussie versus English jokes.

Adam though could not resist his desire to know why I resented Sir Noel Coward as my tone indicated.

“I would have thought it would have been wonderful growing up with that name,” he mused.

“It was a nightmare Adam! It was an absolute, never ending bloody nightmare! As you are obviously aware he was a man of great talent. He was a revered author, playwright, actor, and composer. He excelled in all. He was as well-known as was the President of the United States of America. He walked with the Queen of England and was buddies with the theater elite. His plays were showing endlessly on Broadway and all over Europe. All you heard every time you turned on a radio, a black and white television, or read a newspaper or magazine, was Noel Coward, Noel Coward, and Noel Coward! It was like a massive billboard in the sky for the world to see, lit up in neon and flashing ‘NOEL COWARD.’

Michele had twisted back towards me and the slightly darker indentation in the flesh colored cloth appeared somewhat more inviting; the light brushing of fingers across the back of my hand held a hint of promise in the day - though I had learnt many years ago not to anticipate, out-guess, or take this woman for granted. There were many sharks lurking in the dark pools of her secretive eyes.

“So you really didn’t like him?” she enquired.

“There are many reasons why I did not like him,” I replied. “I always felt as a child he stole my name so I blamed him for the troubles in my life which ultimately led to the Government removing me from my family and placing me into institutional care when I was eight years old, and the disaster of a life that resulted from it. Unreasonable, I know, but young kids can’t see reason in torment!”

I recalled an early memory when I was about five; sitting on the floor in front of the old Bakelite radio and hearing his name come out of that big black speaker behind the ragged cloth. I turned to my mother with glowing excitement and said “Ooh. I just heard me self.” I explained that that was the one and only time his name brought pleasure into my life and for the next thirty years there were no other occasions where that name enhanced my life. When I reached school age it became a nightmare: if you were named Noel Coward great things were expected of you from the teachers. Plus, I had to listen to comments such as, “Oh! Perhaps we should find a place in the drama group for you,” or, “Do you think you will live up to his standards?”

There was also snickering whenever I was introduced to someone which gave me an inferiority complex and introduced paranoia into my young life. It took years to realize the snickering or laughing was not to do with me personally, but due to the famous name I had been given, and it had been going on since I was breast feeding off my mother. It was just an endless nightmare. “It got to a point,” I informed them, “that I became afraid of my own name being called out in class, or in public. When my name was asked I would muffle the surname and allow the person to assume I had said Howard instead of Coward.” You must remember,” I said, “he was in my life every day in one way or another from the time I was born until the time he died " and even then it didn’t stop. To this day he still creeps into my life. I still get the same comments, but I am older now, and stronger, and there is less accompanying laughter with the comments. Also, enough time has passed since his death for some of the younger generation to have not heard of him, or only vaguely remember him. “

As I expected, it was Michele again who asked the most sensitive question, instinctively homing in on my most vulnerable spot. She asked if Noel Coward was homosexual knowing full well he was. It was one of her devilish tactics, said with deadpan eyes staring innocently at me with face cupped in her hands.

“He was,” I confirmed,” and as such, he was disliked and despised by half the population of Tasmania, and loved by the other, more educated half, creating for me another complex facet to the never-ending Noel Coward saga that became my life. When that aspect entered my life it brought violence into my childhood resulting in physical fights and getting into trouble with the institutional staff. The situation spiraled out of control when I was twelve. I wasn’t a large boy and I was also the youngest. I had run away from one boys home and, as a result, transferred to another boy’s home with higher security.

The first two weeks were a nightmare. When it became known that the famous Noel Coward was a homosexual I was taunted. Ironically I defended him. Whenever the other kids declared he was a ‘poofter’ I would come to his defense and deny it, lashing out at whoever made the comment. While he was soaking up the razzle-dazzle and basking in his own glory, the world media was coy about mentioning his homosexuality. Despite that, the rumors swept around the globe, reaching this land of grunting macho males where it was the ultimate stigma! As he bowed to the standing ovation of the adoring Broadway crowds, I was either being dragged off to the superintendent for bashing someone, or lying in a pool of blood after defending his honor; denying what they knew to be true but did not discuss, out of respect.

Adam was mesmerized as I told my story. He was hearing another side to the legend of Sir Noel Coward from his total opposite (his namesake) in a far away country hanging upside down on the globe; a country unknown by many. He was slowly realizing there was much more to the Noel Coward story than glitter and gold.

“And these were not isolated incidents.” I said. “If I were to have a thousand dollars for every altercation I was involved with because he was a homosexual, I would have over two hundred thousand dollars by now! A million dollars or more for all those Noel Coward related comments!”

“How did you come to be named after him?” asked Rodney.

I assumed Rodney was asking why my parents would give me that name if it was to cause so much destruction in my life. But my parents thought it was a lovely name and did not foresee the terrible consequences. It was a unique set of circumstances coming together that could not possibly have happened with any other name. There are two fundamental elements: One, his name of fame was also one of shame; Coward as in ‘weakling’; two, was his homosexuality.

Although Sir Noel Coward was able to rise above the stigma of being a Coward " in my opinion his greatest achievement of all " I was living in a land of macho-madness, and the problems associated with the stigma of homosexuality became mine to deal with. I lived the horror part of his life for him! I took all his s**t! And so I answered Rodney’s question the only way I could:

“I recently met my mother after many years and we discussed this. My father thought it was a good name, and my mother adored Noel Coward. She thought he was very clever and talented. Perhaps she even believed some of his popularity and fame would somehow would rub off onto me and make life easier for me.”

There were problems in my life on an almost daily basis associated with that name, even after I broke free of the institutions the problems continued. By then I had a record of multiple escapes, and was locked into a nightmare that saw me incarcerated for more than eighteen years. The pathway was paved ahead of me. There were so many incidents. Sometimes I was aware of what was going on and why, other times it was years before I was able to dot I’s and cross the T’s. For example, my identification would disappear on a regular basis, stolen by ‘souvenir hunters.’ It was a police officer that alerted me to it when I once asked to produce my driving license.

“I imagine you would get a few of those stolen as some sort of souvenir,” he said.

That was when the penny dropped!

On another occasion I was performing a bank transaction. I didn’t realize the delay was due to suspicion because of my name, and the bank staff calling the police to check. Then there were the endless problems with phone calls. In those days to make a reverse-charge phone call, you had to go through the operator. She would take your name and then contact the other party to see if they would accept. One such operator said “Yes, and I’m the queen mother!” then hung up.

And so it went on, the Noel Coward thing, day after day and year after year. It came at me from so many different directions and with such frequency that I was braced for it on a daily basis. It just didn’t stop! Even a Supreme Court judge once commented that with ’First Fleet’ convict ancestry on one side, and Hollywood Royalty on the other, perhaps I would be better rewarded if I just wrote scripts about my activities, as opposed to acting them out.

The truth was I more than disliked Noel Coward; I resented him with a passion! While he danced and pranced across the stage of Broadway, bowing to standing ovations, I was on the other side of the world fighting his battles and defending his good name, and he didn’t even know I existed! Every time the name NOEL COWARD was lit up in neon signs around the world a giant shadow fell over my life and a fresh round of taunts and comments began. I was most likely the only person in the world that was not sad when he died, and experienced no sense of loss. In some way life changed for me the day he died. I embraced the name for myself for the first time and, for the first time in my life, when someone called my name it did not bounce off my chest like scrabble pieces and clatter to the floor. It passed through my chest and found its lodgings, not comfortable but bearable. ‘I’ was ‘Noel Coward,’ and without the mad dogs and the Englishmen!

Adam also had a curiosity towards Droc asking me if I preferred being Leon Droc or Noel Coward.

“I like both,” I informed him. “I am Droc at heart because through Droc I learnt to express myself for the first time ever without being compared. It did not matter if the quality of what I wrote did not compare because whatever I wrote was taken seriously when authored by Droc, and ridiculed if authored by Noel Coward.” I said, “Can you imagine someone being interested in your writings when they hear Noel Coward saying, “Excuse me luv! I wasn’t expecting a bloody Sheila! Thought yer was a man . . . not that yer don’t sound sexy an all that, but fair dinkum, read me script, it’s a bloody ripper mate! ” That received a chuckle from all, and the conversation ended on a happy light note. Adam got to his feet.

“That deserves drinks all round,” he said, disappearing into the café.

There was a bit of an awkward silence as the others struggled to come back to the moment. Michele was looking at me in silence with those big round eyes and no expression on her face. If anything, the black whirlpool eyes seemed a little lost. Suddenly the mystery of ‘who was Droc?’ was solved, and I do declare, I can recall no other occasion when I had managed to render her speechless " well almost.

When Adam returned with the tray of drinks the conversation had turned lively as further clarification was sought by the others about some aspect of the story. Michele had allowed her hand to rest on my thigh, meaning all was forgiven for the unknown and undisclosed failing of mine and, according to her, I had many, and each one required me to beg for forgiveness before feasting. Adam on the other hand was elated, a grin from ear to ear.

That followed with a bit of light talk while I drank my coffee. I was keen to get going so I could reflect on the morning and its impact on my friends and relationship. I stood, took my lover’s hand and prepared to leave.

“Have you never told that story before?” asked Adam.

“No.”

“You should write about it,” he suggested.

“I wouldn’t know where to begin Adam,” I said.

“There is so much more I would like to hear,” he said. “It was a fascinating story, and from a perspective that one could not even begin to appreciate or even know existed. Thank you for sharing it with us, and one day I would like to know more about Droc.”

Strike Them Dumb

They said Noel Coward was dumb

Because he couldn't read and write

A withdrawn little character

No words with which to fight

And laugh they would upon

The implications of his name

To rule the roost and cook his goose

To play their power game

Yet here be Droc and smirking some

A tickling of the palm

A tongue in cheek

Their cheek to tweak

And radiating charm

Wore them down juggling clowns

The champion of the rabble

To smart by half and no more prepared

To listen to their waffle

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

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Droc

DrocTeam Captain

Droc said: 

To listen to their waffle

lazt line of the poem; you left it off.

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

excaliburx

Droc said: 

To listen to their waffle

Very appropriate. Farewell.

 

excaliburxMar 5, 2015

AMarchDraftee

http://picosong.com/nVEq/

 

AMarchMar 5, 2015

Droc

DrocTeam Captain

AMarch said: 

http://picosong.com/nVEq/

I have not finished yet AMarch, but I noted you have not asked one single question that in my mind, reflects one glimmer of intelligence? You are seemingly like one of those people who still thinks Lindy Chamberlain got away with murder.

 

DrocMar 5, 2015

Droc said: 

I have not finished yet AMarch, but I noted you have not asked one single question that in my mind, reflects one glimmer of intelligence? You are seemingly like one of those people who still thinks Lindy Chamberlain got away with murder.[/QUOTE

The two prominent statements I have made is there is no genuine alibi for TT, and no interview occurred at the time that was declared, 1998. Given the level of the accusations I am making, not a difficult thing to prove or disprove!! For those who keep suggesting I go back to the police, they are still the same people that just recently informed me that the recorded interview I asked to be secured, and that can establish what I say, was accidentally destroyed! What I did do, was to go to the WA Royal Commission! What transpired there, was very much an eye opener and that exposed yet again, the attempts to not investigate this, and to keep it out of the public eye.

 

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PenfoldsFan

Droc said: 

What I did do, was to go to the WA Royal Commission! What transpired there, was very much an eye opener and that exposed yet again, the attempts to not investigate this, and to keep it out of the public eye.

Hi Droc,
Do you believe this is to cover up the poor investigation at the time of the events or to prevent the identity of the real suspect becoming public for some reason?
I just get a feeling that Macro knew who did it but are unable to bring it to light for whatever reason.

For what its worth I think TT has more relevance than MM, his consideration in the case just muddies the waters and creates a distraction.

 

PenfoldsFanMar 5, 2015

CalendularDebutant

Hi Penfolds

Gee you were surprisingly quick off the mark to master your security settings and set them to private. Newcomers don't usually cotton on to that for some time!

Perhaps droc's spending the day relaxing on the beach with his dog. Hopefully taking a well earned break from the hounds on here.

 

CalendularMar 5, 2015

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-71

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-72


Estelle Blackburn reported “Serial kill fear”

Networked Knowledge – Media Report

[This edited version of the report has been prepared by Dr Robert N Moles]

http://netk.net.au/Articles/Estelle1.asp

On 16 June 2007 in a Sunday Times Special Report, the well known author and journalist, Estelle Blackburn reported “Serial kill fear”

Perth author Estelle Blackburn has revealed how she was the victim of brutal domestic violence at the hand of a man she believes could be the Claremont serial killer. I was savagely attacked by a man who I fear could be the Claremont serial killer. My attacker was good looking and charming, and he had unlicensed access to taxis. He lived the other side of Perth, but often stayed with me in my flat in Cottesloe. In the week before Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer went missing, my then boyfriend's personality changed. He seemed to be building up to something. And then he disappeared for several days. On the nights the Claremont killer struck on January 26 and June 9 1996, I didn't know what this man with access to taxis was doing.

A later girlfriend told me that once he had bound and gagged her and put her in his boot, releasing her later in bush with water nearby. While assaulting and abusing her, he threatened to kill her and said, pointing to the water that there was ``another blonde bitch down there''. And the day before Ciara Glennon's body was found in bushland north of Perth, I was stalked by my then ex-boyfriend who was driving a taxi. When I put in a report to Claremont Police Station, homicide officers visited me and questioned me, the main focus being on whether he had given me particular pieces of jewellery. He hadn't - but he was a regular buyer and seller at Cash Converters, as he was at car yards, often changing his car.

I had reported him and nothing happened. He continued his violence with two more women until one was braver than me and made a complaint that had him jailed for stalking and threatening to kill. He was jailed in May 2000.

Despite breaking parole last year, he was paroled again earlier this year. Her home was installed with round-the-clock video surveillance. I've made my own costly security arrangements. She has gained a long-term restraining order and I understand other women have taken out restraining orders since he was paroled.

Through three years of living with the fear, stress and physical pain and injury of a violent man who seemed impossible to escape from, I hadn't taken any notice of the taxis left at his home for him to service overnight. He was a mechanic. Nor had I taken any notice of the taxi I saw in my rear-vision mirror this night, when I was stopped at the Oats St rail crossing. There were no occupants but the driver, and no other cars around. I felt confident that he wasn't stalking me tonight as he had been for the past month since I finally stood up to him.

Now, as well as the fear evoked by his voice on the phone telling me in detail the unusual route I had taken home from a dance in Carlisle, and telling me he had been driving the taxi, the ghastly realisation gripped me.

It was Wednesday April 2, 1997, two weeks after Ciara Glennon had gone missing while walking along Stirling Highway, Claremont, trying to hail a taxi. I kept tying to convince myself there could be no link between this and the other two victims of the Claremont killer, Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, who had both been planning to get taxis home. Taxi drivers had been thoroughly investigated by the Macro Taskforce. But what about other people who had unlicensed access to them?

After the taxi stalking 10 years ago, I checked with his then girlfriend about the night that Ciara Glennon went missing. Although she provided an alibi for him and although he must have been eliminated by the police investigation, I still have niggling concerns. A pre-sentence report on him, available to the public on the law report website, is chilling:

" . . . has an escalating pattern of violent offending which targets women. He has shown no remorse or empathy for his victim, but instead sees himself as a victim and manifests periodic emotional instability stemming from a narcissistic personality style. Such individuals have suffered from a lack of admiration in their formative years, which predisposes them to seek admiration in later life. Because they have fragile egos, these individuals are highly prone to distress when their sense of pride is injured by life stresses.

"At such times their behaviour can become disorganised. Their resultant behaviour reflects attempts to restore a sense of pride and esteem, and can involve personal attacks on others who are perceived as injuring them. In the present case, it appears that the thwarting of his need for admiration, by a slight or rejection, can trigger emotional instability and verbal aggression.

"The fragility manifested by such individuals is a personality feature, which is not readily ameliorated. Their pattern of coping is unlikely to alter in the absence of insight and the undertaking of significant personal therapeutic work he is not a suitable candidate for psychological counselling on account of his defensiveness and unwillingness to accept responsibility for his behaviour.''

I was a victim of that behaviour, an experience that I would never have dreamed would come my way. While I didn't live with him, I was trapped in the web of domestic violence. I had been caught by what I now know to be fairly standard tactics - charming, fun, loving, caring behaviour until you're in the trap. Then it starts.

I couldn't have been more surprised when it did - even though he had been facing some charges of violence against a former girlfriend when I met him. They included assault, threatening to kill her and threatening to kill a detective. I believed his explanation and cries of innocence, and although he was convicted by a jury, I felt my judgment was vindicated by the minimal suspended sentence the judge gave him.

The discovery in December 1994 that I had been taken in by his lies was a terrifying experience. A rock-hard fist landed with a stinging crack on my jaw, sending searing pain through my head. I heard a loud crunch as my neck suddenly jerked around. I stumbled with the force of the blow and the wretched shock as my understanding of the world was instantaneously shattered. His face was as hard as his fist, his soft, charming features changed to those of a stranger. This man's ice-cold, steely-eyed look was unrecognisable. His iron fist landed again on my jaw and his spittle splattered my face.

He had been drinking and playing chess with a mate when I arrived at his unit. His incomprehensible anger erupted from nowhere and he became a rampaging stranger, a strong bull against whom I was totally defenceless. He punched a hole in the door and raged at me, swearing, grabbing me by the hair and yanking it in a violent fury. His friend just stood there as he punched me and threatened to kill me. He clenched his hands around my throat, squeezing hard until I couldn't breathe, only releasing his grip at what felt like the last second, when my lungs had just about stopped their struggle.

He grabbed a knife from the kitchen and held it to my throat, then pushed the shards of a glass he had smashed to my mouth, screaming that he would make me eat them. There was nothing I could do against this powerful force. I could barely believe it was happening; it was such a total change, out of nowhere. Nor could I believe that his mate wasn't helping me. But at least he was there, a witness, and I tried to elicit some hope of survival from that - until the raging maniac ordered his friend to leave. I was now facing the violence alone.

He locked and chained the door before pulling the phone connection out of the wall. I was totally at his mercy; my years of teenage jujutsu training were nothing against his bulk, strength and sudden insanity. I had no chance of getting to the door and unchaining and unlocking it, and no chance of outrunning him even if I did escape. As he grabbed my hair and dragged me to the bedroom, screaming that he would kill me, I submitted. So this was it. This was what it was like to be murdered.

Immersed in researching and writing about murder for my book Broken Lives, I accepted I was now to experience it first-hand. My body was on fire from the punches and strangling, but I was still alive when, some interminable time later, his rage finally exhausted itself.

I was desperate to leave, to escape from this nightmare and wake up somewhere safe. But I was also terrified that any attempt to escape would set him off again, and it would take some time to unchain and unlock the door and run away through the dark, isolated car park. I decided to stay and pretended to fall asleep as though nothing had happened. In reality, I lay awake all night, hurting, burning, aching as if I'd been in a car crash; terrified that he might wake up and renew his rage.

The next morning he was back to normal, the man I knew. It was as if the switch that had turned him into a monster had turned off again. He was apologetic and wept, begging me to forgive him. 
I drove him to his doctor in Rivervale, where he admitted everything, saying he was sorry and didn't understand why he had done it. The doctor made phone calls to have him admitted to Graylands mental hospital. But the hospital wouldn't take him. I was alarmed, but convinced it would still be fine when the doctor arranged instead for him to see a psychiatrist.

His remorse and pleadings for forgiveness seemed genuine; I was too innocent about domestic violence to know this was part of the perpetrator's routine. The bouts continued, always followed by total remorse, and attended by constant controlling behaviour and threats to kill me if I left, including telling me that one day my car would blow up.

Several violent episodes were in public, with witness around, at the Hyde Park Hotel, at the Embassy Ballroom, at my home when I ran to my neighbour. I spent many nights hiding out, renting a room at what used to be the nurses' quarters at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital, kept pepper spray with me and had a series of sheets tied to the foot of the bed in case I had to escape from my first-storey flat window.

Once, when he rang and announced he was coming to kill me, I rang two of his friends for help, making me too late to get away in time. He was at the door. Forewarned, I had slipped some pepper spray through my belt. When he grabbed me in a vice-like grip around the neck and attempted to frogmarch me inside, no doubt to a repeat of my previous horrors, I sprayed him at close range. I escaped his grip and ran out to the front of the flats, where two men in a truck were about to deliver bottled spring water. They let me inside to the safety of the cab and I used their phone to dial the emergency number.

How glad I was to see the police, who took notes from witnesses after he had run off. But after threatening messages among the pleading ones he left on my answer machine, I was too frightened to press charges and didn't proceed with the restraining order I took out the next day.

I noticed his violence escalate in February 1997. One night, I arrived home from dancing to find a blackout. Discovering that the fuses had been pulled out, I replaced them and carefully checked around my home with the pepper spray at the ready, looking in cupboards, under the bed and behind curtains. He was hiding under my computer desk, saying he had planned to smother me while I was asleep.

On Wednesday March 5, 1997, he attacked me for the last time. I finally stood up to him, as I should have the first time, after he again punched me and bashed my head against the wall. He used every trick he had used before -- cajoling, begging, crying, threatening, stalking, terrorising. But this time I, at last, found the strength to withstand it and risk the consequences.

Five days later, on Monday March 10, he threatened me and punched a dent in the roof of my parked car. On Wednesday, March 12, he came into the Embassy Ballroom, threatening me again and twice tried to stop me getting away by blocking the road with his car. None of it worked this time. He has lost his power over me.

Two days later, on Friday March 14, Ciara Glennon disappeared. I did what I could in reporting him to the police and I assume they investigated and eliminated him, but I still have a niggling concern. I declined a national publisher's approach to write a book about the Claremont killings a few years ago, believing it was too sensitive for the victims' families. But I have written about my experience and concerns in my latest book - The End of Innocence - which goes into why and how I wrote Broken Lives.

My grim personal experience helped me describe serial killer Eric Edgar Cooke and understand the experiences of his wife and his victims. I know I will never allow myself to be a victim of domestic violence again. And I urge every woman who hasn't escaped as I finally did, to walk away at the first episode, as I was advised, and to make use of the services available to help.

On Friday, a police spokesman told The Sunday Times: "WA Police can confirm that the MACRO Taskforce did receive some information from Estelle Blackburn, but it is our policy not to comment on whether individuals have or haven't been investigated by MACRO.''

Source: 16 June 2007 Sunday Times Special Report: Estelle Blackburn “Serial kill fear”




Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia
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12-06-2015   Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by ExcaliburX 

That POI have been subsequently eliminated through DNA testing indicates there must be associated DNA evidence. 
The day after that social media interaction a picture of the swamp appeared in Drocs profile background (referred to in my first post). Very odd subject matter and timing and wonder if there was some symbolism in that exchange.
Also very interested in the comments made in the final Droc posting on the BF thread. There has been very little discussion on that despite the gravity of what was claimed and I wonder why that is.
As for the suspicious fire that occurred a week before his police interview. 


Powerball / lotto odds I reckon. 

Regarding a set up to indicate guilt, who knew his address from the mid 1990's? How did they know he was to be interviewed by police in a weeks time? Who knew this? 

Also why did he delete the stat dec from the BF site with the Myaree address, and probably more importantly, why the secrecy about that address anyway (particularly when you haven't lived there for over a decade)?

Will be reading Droc's final post as soon as I get the kids off. 
I think anyone who read the BF thread would have that address wouldn't they?
Yes Powerball odds on that exact address being arsoned with such force as explosive... agreed.

 

12-06-2015    Shadowboxer 

Having read Droc's earlier posts how someone had already been into the factory room to collect something buried makes me think it's either a very well thought out story that grew or something that macro has looked at already. Riveting stuff either way. PM for my Facebook name or with link.

 

212-06-2015  Parkie 

I know from some girls that some of the kerbies like the Str/on. Nothing to do with the investigation of course. Nothing will come out now re the CSK. Caporns stuff up.

11-06-2015  Bartholemeus 

<modsnip>I simply got confused. Nothing else to it. 

Accurate information and the clear delineation between fact and opinion is paramount in CSK discussions. The BF thread was widely regarded as the best on the internet until it was over run with people who inhabit and destroy every CSK thread on the internet.

Can we just not go down the same track on this thread?

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11-06-2015  Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by AngelJoan 

When are people going to realize that it is all linked, that is why we are all so convinced we are correct, and all so emotionally involved in this?

Or do you all still think I'm just nuts?

So what is it that "is all linked"?

You must have a concrete theory and I'd love to hear it.

Who is your prime suspect?
Where is SS?
Why were the other bodies found and not SS?
How did the CSK get the girls into the car?
Why did he stop

 

11-06-2015  perthgirl 

I understand. But im not like all those crazy people out there.
I have a heart and i have a soul, so coming onto a forum especially on this topic, to be accused of making it up, is quite offensive.
Im a real nice person, and it seems if a person gets one thing wrong on this forum, they are torn to shreds. Accused of being a liar of even the killer.

 

 

11-06-2015  Hermithead 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

So what is it that "is all linked"?

You must have a concrete theory and I'd love to hear it.

Who is your prime suspect?
Where is SS?
Why were the other bodies found and not SS?
How did the CSK get the girls into the car?
Why did he stop?

Add to that: eyewitnesses, DNA evidence, trace evidence, confirmed POIs ...

 

11-06-2015  Parkie 

 Originally Posted by perthgirl 

<modsnip>its the train station before Fremantle. North Fremantle train station is obviously what i meant to say.


I dont know any damn warehouse in Freo at all. Im telling you what i was told by the police officer at the time.
<modsnip>
Your all weird to be so self involved in something like this.

Why do you think nobody knows for certain what he did to the bodies, and its all hear say??
Because the police dont want the info released because there has been over 100 psychos out there who have claimed to be the killer.
I can tell you, you are all completely way off the radar.
My friend did the autopsies and none of you have any idea of what you are talking about.
<modsnip>

Ok Perth Girl; Your friend did the Autopsies?, and you know cause you say you know. Ok I`m happy with that. Now say what happened to them prove you are not BS. No saying you were sworn to secrecy or sh** like that, lets cut to the mustard, tell us, we`re all ears here hey...lots of them... Bet you a million bucks you won`t or rather can`t. Can`t means; being you "don`t have a clue." and are guessing. Here`s your chance to get it all out, lmao.

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crabstick 

These were my thoughts. What were their interests or commonality if they weren't abducted by a cab?
Scouts? Dancing? 
Cutler had been to a catered event. Ciara had been organising catering the night before at a yacht club in Mosman park. Jane had been taken to Mosman park via a taxi and dropped off, allegedly.
Two of the victims worked in legally apparent. Rayney worked in legal. Rayney was dancing prior. Line dancing. Any of the girls line dance or similar?
Rayney was from South Perth, Spiers from South Perth.
Another missing victim not considered related was burnt in a car on Dance drive out Middle Swan way. The nature of the subject case and discovered body proximity locations that a person or persons may have been hinting at police it was related or copy cat. Or a group are letting each other know in a sick game.
Rayney means Queen in Celtic. The place card discovered in a game of guess the celebrity at a wedding had been discovered at the burial body site with The Queen on the back. The 'queen' had been buried in 'kings' park.
If you set up the DPP and they went to prison, you would be King in your little world. Was he set up? He wrote a book that was an absolute invitation to do so.
The quantity of missing persons and unsolved cases are indicative of someone who knows forensics, a cop or coroner. The sites had been cleaned or had evidence of a chemicals all over them. Its a big state. 
Another missing person around the same time worked in the area too. The abductors appear to have access to a building in that immediate area. A person who worked in that immediate area?
When I saw light vehicle in the video, a Kingswood station wagon my immediate thoughts were a convent vehicle which were all a specific white.
Ciaras mother worked at Iona as a teacher. Her father a prominent figure in the Liberal party.
Revenge? Hatred? 

 Originally Posted by IONAGIRL 

Hi Mel1303n Jane's interests at school I wonder, perhaps there could be a link that way??

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 11-06-2015  crabstick 

And when someone said snuff movie and prostitutes, the place we found, this was a very real possibility. 
This place is busy since the Big Footy thread was blocked, and people banned.

 11-06-2015  AngelJoan 

 Originally Posted by crabstick 

And when someone said snuff movie and prostitutes, the place we found, this was a very real possibility. 
This place is busy since the Big Footy thread was blocked, and people banned.

crabstick did you watch the vid I mention above?

12-06-2015 crabstick 

 (modsnip)

Crabstick did you watch the vid? 

No I didnt. I must say when someone pointed out thei body locations, and the vector between passed through the Claremont hotel, I took a greater interest. Planned and calculated it was. This was no random abduction. I would not be surprised at a group, not yet been interviewed. Even a cop involved. 

Did analog scanners pick up taxi two way in the day?

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11-06-2015  AngelJoan 

 Originally Posted by crabstick 

These were my thoughts. What were their interests or commonality if they weren't abducted by a cab?
Scouts? Dancing? 

Cutler had been to a catered event. Ciara had been organising catering the night before at a yacht club in Mosman park. Jane had been taken to Mosman park via a taxi and dropped off, allegedly.

Two of the victims worked in legally apparent. Rayney worked in legal. Rayney was dancing prior. Line dancing. Any of the girls line dance or similar?

Rayney was from South Perth, Spiers from South Perth.

Another missing victim not considered related was burnt in a car on Dance drive out Middle Swan way. The nature of the subject case and discovered body proximity locations that a person or persons may have been hinting at police it was related or copy cat. Or a group are letting each other know in a sick game.

Rayney means Queen in Celtic. The place card discovered in a game of guess the celebrity at a wedding had been discovered at the burial body site with The Queen on the back. The 'queen' had been buried in 'kings' park.

If you set up the DPP and they went to prison, you would be King in your little world. Was he set up? He wrote a book that was an absolute invitation to do so.

The quantity of missing persons and unsolved cases are indicative of someone who knows forensics, a cop or coroner. The sites had been cleaned or had evidence of a chemicals all over them. Its a big state. 

Another missing person around the same time worked in the area too. The abductors appear to have access to a building in that immediate area. A person who worked in that immediate area?

When I saw light vehicle in the video, a Kingswood station wagon my immediate thoughts were a convent vehicle which were all a specific white.

Ciaras mother worked at Iona as a teacher. Her father a prominent figure in the Liberal party.

Revenge? Hatred?

A number of things yes. Did you watch the vid?
Did anything in particular stand out at you? In particular to some of your more unusual theories about numbers, angles and lay lines, ink and ireland?
Also, South Beach big clue.
Perthite, if you know what happened to the bodies, have you googled EFTS in inverted commas and read the article in the one search result?

12-06-2015   billywhizz 

Why do all the freaks come out every time something interesting is posted and then distract anyone from discussing it??

Every. single. time.

12-06-2015  crabstick 

If a two way scanner was used to pick up taxi traffic. The girls that rang a cab, did they give their first name or surname? 
At the time, two way was used to dish out the job addresses and a name given by the caller, over a two way? 
The server will get an IP but it may stop there, out of Russia. Cops can use a range of modelling gathered by association, packet sniffing yada yada etc. The server can pull all sorts of data off your machine or device.
What business was at 347 Stirling highway at the time?
Are all the victims of the same religious political demographic?

 

12-06-2015   Shadowboxer 

 Originally Posted by ExcaliburX 

That POI have been subsequently eliminated through DNA testing indicates there must be associated DNA evidence. 
The day after that social media interaction a picture of the swamp appeared in Drocs profile background (referred to in my first post). Very odd subject matter and timing and wonder if there was some symbolism in that exchange.
Also very interested in the comments made in the final Droc posting on the BF thread. There has been very little discussion on that despite the gravity of what was claimed and I wonder why that is.
As for the suspicious fire that occurred a week before his police interview. 

Powerball / lotto odds I reckon. 

Regarding a set up to indicate guilt, who knew his address from the mid 1990's? How did they know he was to be interviewed by police in a weeks time? Who knew this? 

Also why did he delete the stat dec from the BF site with the Myaree address, and probably more importantly, why the secrecy about that address anyway (particularly when you haven't lived there for over a decade)?

Will be reading Droc's final post as soon as I get the kids off. 
I think anyone who read the BF thread would have that address wouldn't they?
Yes Powerball odds on that exact address being arsoned with such force as explosive... agreed.

 

12-06-2015    Shadowboxer 

Having read Droc's earlier posts how someone had already been into the factory room to collect something buried makes me think it's either a very well thought out story that grew or something that macro has looked at already. Riveting stuff either way. PM for my Facebook name or with link.

212-06-2015  Parkie 

I know from some girls that some of the kerbies like the Str/on. Nothing to do with the investigation of course. Nothing will come out now re the CSK. Caporns stuff up.

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