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The former head of Western Australia's Prostitution Task Force Con Bayens


hinted that it was Donald Morey that he stopped and searched his car in Northbridge, Perth, and found his boot lined with blue plastic and all the necessary equipment in his boot needed to carry out an adbuction, such masking tape, pliers, wire ties, rope etc.
The former head of Western Australia's Prostitution Task Force Con Bayens believes the Macro Task Force under the then head Assistant Commissioner David Caporn that has been in charge of the investigation into the Claremont Serial Abductions and killings, missed crucial opportunities to explore suspects including a suspicious character Con Bayens encountered in 2002.
The former head of WA's prostitution taskforce Con Bayens believes the taskforce missed crucial opportunities to explore suspects - including a suspicious character he encountered in 2002
Mr Bayens recalls the chilling night he pulled over a man during an undercover operation in Highgate in 2002 - 11 kilometres away from Claremont.
The boot was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction.


The driver was questioned but Mr Bayens does not know why he was cleared in inquiries by officers on Task Force Macro, which was set up to investigate the killings.
The boot of the suspiciois man's car, that Chanel & reporter said looked like an undercover police car,  was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction
Mr Bayens said the head investigator into the killings had rejected his offer to pass on information from the undercover operation, which was uncovering people every night 'and every one of them had the potential to be the Claremont serial killer.'
However, his offer was rejected by the chief investigator, to his astonishment.
'He said, 'Don't worry about it, Con, we've got our man.' And those words will stick with me forever,' he said.
'That just hit about 10 on my weird s***-o-meter.'
WA Police insist they looked into the sinister man Mr Bayens encountered, but the former constable insists the enquiry never took place.


Sarah Ann McMahon

Sarah Ann McMahon went missing from Greenmount on November 8th, 2000, Was aged 20, Now would be age 36 in December, 2016


https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/mcmahon-sarah

                                                                                                                 
Lisa Brown

• Missing since:Tuesday, November 10, 1998
• Last seen:Perth WA
• Jurisdiction:WA
• Year of birth:1979
• Age now:37
• Gender:Female
• Height:175cm
• Build:Slim
• Hair:Dark, Blonde
• Complexion:Fair
• Eyes:Brown

Circumstances of the disappearance of Lisa Jane Brown:
Media reports have linked the disappearance of Lisa Jane Brown with the Claremont serial Murders

Lisa Brown has been missing since 12.30am on 10 November 1998 from the Palmerston Street, Perth City area.

She was last seen wearing casual blue denim jeans, a black T-shirt and black high heeled boots.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Lisa please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

 
Raelene Eaton
 and

Yvonne Waters 

Missing since:Sunday, April 7, 1974

Last seen:Scarborough WA

Jurisdiction:WA

Year of birth:1957

Age now:59

Gender:Female

Height:150cm

Hair:Black

Eyes:Hazel

Distinguishing features:Has a mole on the left side of her neck, and the bottom centre tooth is fitted with a gold cap.

Circumstances:

Raelene Eaton and Yvonne Waters were last seen at about 6.45pm on 7 April 1974 leaving the White Sands Hotel, Scarborough in the company of three unidentified men.
Nothing has been seen or heard from either girl since that time.
Raelene was last seen wearing a black skirt, pink top, brown platform shoes and carrying a brown shoulder bag.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Raelene please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Julie Cutler-

Cottesloe Beach were Julie Cutler's car was found in the surf

Julie Cutler-

Cottesloe Beach were Julie Cutler's car was found in the surf

Perth teenager Kerry Turner hitched a ride and ended up dead

                                                                                                  June 30^th, 2016

                                        

Kerry Turner, 18, was murdered after hitching a ride on June 30, 1991 after a night socialising in Perth. Source: Community Newspapers/Eastern Reporter

Marnie O’Neill and wiresnews.com.au

KERRY Turner was going to come home for dinner that Saturday night but changed her plans at the last minute go clubbing with her best mate Kylie.

It was a spur of the moment decision, made 25 years ago to the day today that would result in one of the nation’s most baffling unsolved murders.

On that June 30 night in 1991, the teenagers ended up at Perth CBD nightspot Pinocchio’s but were separated once inside.

Kerry, 18, didn’t have enough money to take a taxi all the way home to Bickley so the cabbie dropped her outside an all-night cafe in East Victoria Park.

She was stranded and alone with no way to get home. Minutes later, she was walking across Shepperton Road when a car sped up and stopped behind her.

“The person in the car called out and Kerry turned around and walked back to the car, spoke to the person, and then got in the car and left and that was the last time she was seen alive that we know of,” John Turner, Kerry’s father, told Radio 6PR.

Police hunted for the vehicle, described by witnesses as a dark blue car, similar to a Datsun 260C, which had spoked wheels, but came up empty-handed.

It was one of the few leads they had into Kerry’s disappearance.

                        

Double tragedy: Sue and John Turner, the parents of murdered Kerry Turner, had an 18-year-old son who was killed six years earlier. Source: Community Newspapers/Eastern Reporter

“It’s just mystifying that she would be so positively walking around the back of the car and getting in (unless she knew the person),” Mr Turner said.

“She never came home, you can imagine how that was for us. We think about this every single day, in some way or another we remember our daughter, so it’s always fresh.

“We miss Kerry so much, her tragic loss has left a gaping hole in our family of missing grandchildren, possibly even great-grandchildren.”

Four weeks after she disappeared, Kerry’s body was found in bushland near Canning Dam, some 40km away. She had been murdered.

It was not the first time the John and his wife Sue, who emigrated to Australia from the UK in 1970 in search of a better life, had been visited by tragedy.

Six years earlier their son Jamie, 18, died after being injected with drugs by a man who was later convicted of his manslaughter.

Mrs Turner remembered her daughter as a “bubbling, outgoing girl who enjoyed life”.

“This particular Saturday, she called me and said she was coming home,” she toldPerth’s Eastern Reporter of her final conversation with her daughter.

“Then she called me back a couple of hours later to say they’d changed the arrangements and that her and her friend were going into the city, to the nightclub.”

                                                                   

                                                                                               Perth nightclub on Murray Rd, circa 1988 Source :Twitter

Mr and Mrs Turner are pleading with anyone with information about what happened to Kerry to come forward.

They say they are confident advancements in technology and cold case investigation mean that there is a greater likelihood their daughter’s case will be solved — a quarter of a century on.

“Whatever it is, no matter how small it might be ... if they’ve got any information that might be relevant, please bring it forward,” Mr Turner told Radio 6PR.

“There is definitely a good chance I think of something coming from the continued and renewed vigour of investigation. We remain hopeful and we know that there are people that know something.”

Perth Acting Superintendent Peter Branchi said police believed there were people who knew what happened to Kerry and urged them to call Crime Stoppers.

“Over time allegiances change, people change and circumstances change, and someone who may have felt intimidated or uncomfortable sharing information with police back in the 1990s may now be in a position to do so,” he said.

New Article ruling out suspects

Former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn, who had been named in Western Australian Parliament as being corrupt. and serious questions have been asked as to whether  fformer Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn was seriously trying to catch and arrest the real Claremont Serial Killer or Killers.... 
......one would expect there to be more than one person involved in the Claremont Serial Killings....

17^th April, 1974 the disappearance and suspected murder of Raelene Eaton and Yvonne Waters   last seen in Scarbourgh Beach, Western Australia.

Orelia resident Felicia Wilson’s battered, mutilated body was found behind a shopping centre at Kwinana on January 10, 1979.

Cheryl Renwick (left) and Barbara Western (right) both vanished from Perth in 1986

1988- The disappearance and suspected murder of Julie Cutler in Perth, Claremont, Cottesloe area

30^th June, 1991 the disappearance and suspected murder of Kerry Turner

Sara-Lee Davey was last seen alive on January 14, 1997

1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe I’m wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)

Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

Many other rapes, abductions murders of girls in Perth and Western Australia from the 1970's to around 2014.

Mr Buckeridge founded the Buckeridge Group of Companies - 
a group of construction and building-related companies operating primarily in Western Australia.
 BGC has more than 4000 staff

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In the early days in the 1960's when as a young architect Leonard Walter  Buckeridge started his BGC Companies with a working capital no more that a few hundred thousand dollars, using his mothers land and Swan River frontage home in Johnson Parade, Mosman Park as borrowing power to back the development of his BGC Companies.  To improve the value of the new home he was designing and building for his mother in Mosman Park, Len Buckeridge designed and built his mother's home in Johnson Parade Mosman Park above the legal hight limit set by the Mosman Park Council, and block the legal views of the Carew-Reid family home at 135 Glyde Street, Mosman Park and  any views of any home the Carew-Reid's may one day build on their other land at 137 Glyde Street, Mosman Park, Western Australia.
When the Late John Carew-Reid  spoke calmly to Len Buckeridgge in 1968/69 that he should refrain form continuing to build his mother's home above the legal hight limit... Len Buckeiridge's response was to try to murder the Late John Carew-Reid, by bashing the Late John Carew-Reid over the back of the head with a large piece of jarrah wood..

 The Late John Carew-Reid collapsed and was unconcious with people thinking he was dead ....but luckily he lived... the reason given why  the 
Late John Carew-Reid did not  have Len Buckeridge charged with attempted murder was this...
".. Len Buckeridge is a psychopath and I can not watch my back 24 hours a DAY.... next time Len Buckeridge will be waiting for me behind a tree late and night when I come home with a four by two piece of jarrah wood and he will ht me on ther back of the head and next time Len Buckeridge wuill make sure he will do a proper job on me next time I will be dead...."
                  "....next time Len Buckeridge will do a proper job on me and I will be dead for sure and certain.."...said the Late John Carew-Reid in about 1968/1969...

Forward time to the 1990's when the Late John Carew-Reid had died in 1986 on cancer and the Len Buckeridge was plotting to find a way to conspire with his high powered and well connected Freemason brothers in the Western Australian Public Trustee, the Western Australian Government and the Western Australia, the defraud the Carew-Reid family home at 135 Glyde Street, Mosman Park, Western Australia,  from the Carew-Reid Family as a lot less that it was worth, and defraud the Carew-Reid family members of  their life tenancies of family home at 135 Glyde Street, Mosman Park, Western Australia.... also in around 1995 Len Buckeridge was rebuilding a new duplex home on hid deceased mother's land at 12 Johnson Parade Mosman Park, Western Australia again even furtehr above the legal Mosman City Council hight limits, along with the home home being built in many other ways according to the approved council plans ... Len Buckeridge and his family company Ester investments Pty Ltd first registered in Victoria because that was where his main Triad silent partners were based ...... obtained the Mosman Park Council approval for plans to built a home on 12 Jhnson Parade, Mosman Park, Western Australia, the proceeded to build a quite different house that was not built according to the approved council plans.. The Mosman Park City Council was forced by pressure from the Carew-Reid Family, whose views were being illegally and wrongfully blocked out again by the illegal actions of Len Buckeridge and his family company Esther Investments Pty Ltd ..... to take legal action against  Len Buckeridge and his family company Esther Investments Pty Ltd .. to fine  Len Buckeridge and his family company Esther Investments Pty Ltd and for orders for the house to be demolished ... in the end because to unlimited conenctions and power that Len Buckeridge had with senior politicians, police, business people, legal circles and the courts .. in the end all that happened was that  Len Buckeridge and his family company Esther Investments Pty Ltd were fined around $50,000 and were allowed to keep the illegal home as it was built.... this was a very cheap way out and result for  Len Buckeridge and his family company Esther Investments Pty Ltd ....
and the Carew-Reid family lost a lot of their Swan River Views from their family home at 135 Glyde Street, Mosman Park, Western Australia... and had the right to sue for damages ...
then by illegal and fraudulent means including committing perjury and assault and making threats to murder any Carew-Reid family member that dared to stand in his way ... Len Buckeridge, BGC and his family company Esther investments Pty Ltd ... ended up with the illegal ownership of the Carew-Reid  family home at 135 Glyde Street, Mosman Park, Western Australia .. all this information was openly published in books, articles and pamphlets and distributed widely in Western Australia .. Len Buckeridge never once threatened to sue or did sue for defamation so it was obviously all the truth ,... even some of the books were purchased by the Western Australian State Reference Library known as the Alexander Library ... and no one was ever sued for what was written an published in these books called
The Triumph of Truth ( Who Is Watching the Watchers?)

The Who's Who of Perth's (Western Australia) business, political, police, legal, government, building, media circles 
attend Len Buckeridge Memorial Service at the Civic Centre in Cottesloe, Western Australia

Siok Pauy Koh ( also known as Mrs Buckeridge and Tootsie… with other Buckeridge family members and the who’s who of Perth business, banking, legal, political and media circles at Len Buckeridge’s memorial service held at the Civic Centre, Cottesloe, Perth, Western Australia

Julian Ambrose Son of Siok Pauy Koh being interviewed by reporters in Perth, Western Australia- Son of Siok Pauy Koh, became the de-factor wife of Len Buckeridge after Len Buckeridge divorced his first wife.  Siok Pauy Koh’s family organised in about September, 2013 to have Julian Ambrose take effective control of Len Buckeridge’s multi-billion building group of companies known as BGB (Buckeridge Geoup of Companies)… Siok Pauy Koh’s (known as Mrs Buckeridge and also as Tootsie) family had invested billions into BGC over the last 30 odd years and wanted to make sure one of their family members took over control their massive investment in BGC …. It is understood that Julian Ambrose had been selected, prepared and primed to take over BGC for the last 30 years as part of the behind the scenes deal with Siok Puay Koh’s family financially backing Len Buckeridge’s BGC companies with billions in working capital and bank guarantees that helped BGC expand from a group of companies turning over a few million a year in the 1980’s to turning over in excess of $160 million a year in 2014.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...lling-suspect/

Compo call for cleared Claremont killing suspect

Grant TaylorOctober 19, 2015, 12:35 am

Billboard of missing Claremont serial killer victim Sarah Spiers.The State Opposition believes the former “chief suspect” as the Claremont serial killer should get compensation after explosive claims that all former suspects had now been cleared.
The Post newspaper reported on Friday about a forensic link between the Claremont murders and an earlier rape case.
That evidence had also helped clear former Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams, who was publicly revealed as a suspect in the late 1990s.
Police refused to confirm or deny the newspaper’s claims but shadow attorney-general John Quigley said that if true, the Government should force police to admit they got it wrong.
“If it was not Lance Williams, he would certainly have a clear case for compensation for what he was subjected to, which was years of harassment by police,” Mr Quigley said.
“And if I was the Government ... I would also want an inquiry to determine why he was treated the way he was.”
Mr Williams was subjected to years of intense police scrutiny, including police cars parked outside his home day and night and following his every movement.
His workstation at the Department of Transport was bugged, with one reportedly crashing through the ceiling on to his desk.
And after he agreed to a lie detector test and “failed” it, journalists were tipped off about the outcome to keep pressure on him.
Mr Williams’ family have claimed that police tactics had an enormous impact on his life, resulting in psychiatric treatment on several occasions.
The family also claim police told them in 2008 that they would not be “troubled by them again” but Mr Williams was now reluctant to seek compensation out of fear it could provoke them.
Attorney-General Michael Mischin yesterday dismissed the idea of an inquiry into Mr Williams’ treatment, saying he should lodge a claim through the appropriate channels if he felt he was unfairly targeted.
Mr Mischin said any claim for compensation would be dealt with on its merits and that if someone claimed police acted maliciously towards them, then there could be avenues of redress through the courts and they should seek legal advice.
10-19-2015, 04:09 AM#737 elastic  elastic is offline
So if all the suspects have now been cleared. 
Who were the official suspects, we know Lance Williams, we also know Steve Ross, so who was officially a suspect, Peter Weygers, although they raided him based on a psychics thoughts, how keystone can you get?
10-19-2015, 04:49 AM#738 alioop's Avatar alioop  alioop is offline
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Hi everyone, i have been asked to advise on how the police can obtain a DNA sample from a suspect.
Here is a link to Western Australian law.
DNA samples
Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed.
So if there are any suspects, they can take a DNA sample from them. I expect they would first get an order from a judge after showing some evidence of why they consider the person a suspect. Of course they could just ask the person first and there would be no need for an order.
http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservi...3/Default.aspx
All in my opinion only
10-19-2015, 04:50 AM#739 elastic  elastic is offline
Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute. Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI. But he hints at High gate, a place Morey was KNOWN to prowl looking for potential victims.
No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.

 Sarah McMahon fits the victims profile to a T. She is exactly the same sort of victim you would have expected the CSK to target in every conceivable way. Morey's temptation to execute this kill fits the profile of the CSK. Ill explain why below.
Lets assume Morey killed these victims which everyone suspects he did, but being a master serial killer there is no physical evidence to suggest he actually did the kills, just enormous swaths of circumstantial evidence suggesting he was involved. Moreys known victims had suffered through the use of a cable/rope.. this method of disarming fits with the CSK. The Karrakatta victim had a rope bound around her neck from memory, rope was involved, it is assumed Ciara Glennon had some involvement with rope, then we had an article in the POST some years back identifying a print shop and rope, but now we are being told its 'cable' as the facts become more clear... Whatever Morey chose to tie up his victim, rope/cable, it fits his profile again.
Credit to Sutton for posting this (*Will do some rejigging to show a possible timeline):

17^th April, 1974 the disappearance and suspected murder of Raelene Eaton and Yvonne Waters   last seen in Scarbourgh Beach, Western Australia.

Orelia resident Felicia Wilson’s battered, mutilated body was found behind a shopping centre at Kwinana on January 10, 1979.

Cheryl Renwick (left) and Barbara Western (right) both vanished from Perth in 1986

1988- The disappearance and suspected murder of Julie Cutler in Perth, Claremont, Cottesloe area

1988 sexual assault of a girt in Huntington

30^th June, 1991 the disappearance and suspected murder of Kerry Turner

1995 abduction in Rowe Park and rape in Karrakatta Cemetry of a girl
Sara-Lee Davey was last seen alive on January 14, 1997

1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe I’m wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)

Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

Many other rapes, abductions murders of girls in Perth and Western Australia from the 1970's to around 2014.

So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than
Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth,
he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background. 
Sarah McMahon was rumoured (yes its a rumour) buying Meth from Donald Morey, Donald Morey would have known she wouldn't have told anyone her whereabouts when buying the drugs from Morey, its was an opportunist kill, the heat was back on, so he moved back to
killing the street workers where one eventually smashed his head with her feet and escaped over a brick wall whilst he tried to BOUND and GAG her in his car...




Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!
They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes...
 Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and
have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that
he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it
Morey is cool, clam, highly intelligent, A former abattoir worker, a expert at navigating in the bush, took amphetamines so stayed up all night, impotent so may not leave behind his DNA in his semen, used rope or cable to bound and gag his victims, was an expert
at Blitz attacks and is possibly the sexual predator/ Con Bayens suspect that has become a major focus of the CSK investigation. No media have ruled him out, no police have ever ruled him out..
10-19-2015, 05:05 AM#740 Parkie  Parkie is offline
Quote Originally Posted by Sutton  View Post
Morey?
Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2 P.49

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10-18-2015, 07:41 AM#722 elastic  elastic is offline

Someone posted the below a few days ago and then quickly removed it in minutes and deleted their post, why?

And has anyone debunked it, it sounds extreme, more than likely the rantings of a loon, but can anyone be certain that there weren't rapes around UWA, and if so were they reported in the media, and why not if this was happening?

I would like to know why the person who posted the below quickly deleted it though, what made you change your mind?

erraAustralis • 3 years agoMILES,

I didn't get into the Perth & Claremont stuff in those posts. Around the same time I became a whistle-blower over the Claremont killings and the rapes at UWA, I was approached / recruited by, or on behalf of, the Defence Dept and most of the major Aust banks, to market their software.

Tess (Lawrence) has done several articles on the banks - my posts to her articles covered what I learned about our banks, and some of our Defence contractors (fraud, treason and breaches by their subsidiaries of RICO legislation in the USA - the RICO breaches translate into our banksters being in business with the Las Vegas and Chicago mafia).

Interspersed with the posts about the banksters' treason and RICO stuff, I added a bit about what had happened to us - forced exile, the shootings etc, but I didn't touch on the Perth stuff.

I was not the only one who knew what was happening re the protected suspect in the Claremont killings. His actions were so blatant, and so criminal, that he was bound to attract attention - and he did.

A senior police officer (no names so IA doesn't get sued for defamation) came to Nedlands to meet a group of local business people who had identified the suspect for his likely involvement in the killings and rapes. By tha stage the police had his "violent sexual predator" handwritten profile, and the Commissioner's office were definite that they wanted the guy locked up forever, or run out of WA forever.

Obviously, based on what police told people later, they were ordered to protect the guy. And anyone who knew of his activities was effectively neutralised.

Eg a Nedlands lawyer who identified the same suspect (and an accomplice) to police from a break and enter at Applecross was forced to give up work - his wife suddenly became so ill, that her husband retired to become her full time carer. The file he had on the suspect was cleaned out from his law firm's files, within weeks of him quitting work.

If you saw the CCTV footage of Jill Meagher being accosted in the street by her (alleged) killer, you witnessed something almost identical to what was happening outside the UWA library. The "violent sexual predator" used to spend the early part of each night walking up and down the paths leading from the library, accosting women. the rape victims were dragged into the bushes a few metres of the paths.

Campus security knew he was there, knew what he was doing, and knew that he was not a studeny, so he had no business being on campus. But security and the university admin went out of their way to protect him - they refused, in writing, to do anything about him. It was not hard for the uni admin to intimidate staff or students who complained. The suspect had a brother on the staff at UWA, which may have had something to do with the protection.

If he failed to "get any results" around the library by 10 pm, ge then moved up Stirling Hwy to repeat his prowling around the nightspots of Claremont.

The guy used to try and on-sell ("fence" might be the right word) stuff he had stolen through local businesses in the Crawley, Nedlands and Claremont area. That was reported (multiple times) to the police. But for someone in a small business, and trying to pay the bills and the wages, and make a profit, it only takes a few hassling visits from the local council's inspectors, to scare people off from making any more waves.

Others, like me, ended up, out of Australia - I got a letter from a Perth law firm telling me I would be arrested at any Australian airport of I ever tried to return. The arrest warrant was organised by the same judge who was protecting the rapes/murder 

courts & law


Quiet boy and helpful neighbour nicknamed ‘Bogsy’ is man accused of Claremont serial killings


http://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/quiet-boy-and-helpful-neighbour-nicknamed-bogsy-is-man-accused-of-claremont-serial-killings/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787


 
Bradley Edwards is a former president of the Belmont Little Athletics Clu and Bradley Edwards is a former president of the Belmont Little Athletics Club. 



DECEMBER 30, 2016 Candace Suttonnews.com.auMan charged with two Claremont murders
HIS nickname at school was “Bogsy” and his schoolmates from Gosnell Senior High School don’t remember anything remarkable about the man who has now been charged with two of the Claremont serial killings.
Bradley Robert Edwards was a tall, dark-haired quiet schoolboy at the southeast Perth coeducational college who finished his senior school year in 1985.
His quiet demeanour prompted his fellow students to joke on a satirical list of year 12 students’ future ambitions, that his was to be a “life member of AA”, presumably meaning Alcoholics Anonymous.
The man who would go on to be a Telstra technician, and Little Athletics timekeeper and club photographer gave off the same unassuming exterior to neighbours.
Police arrested Mr Edwards last week and charged him with the wilful murders of Jane Rimmer in 1996 and Ciara Glennon in 1997, who both disappeared from Claremont, and over two sexual assaults in Perth in 1988 and 1995.



Bradley Edwards (above) in his last year at Gosnells Senior High School in Perth in 1985.




Nicknamed ‘Bogsy’ at Gosnells Senior High School in Perth, Bradley Edwards’ friends joked that his future ambition was to be a ‘life member of AA’. Picture: Candace Sutton


Police make a forensic examination of the Perth home of Bradley Robert Edwards, charged with the murders of Claremont victims Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer. Picture: Paul Kane
Police make a forensic examination of the Perth home of Bradley Robert Edwards, charged with the murders of Claremont victims Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer. Picture: Paul KaneSource:Getty Images
Mr Edwards has been remanded in custody on eight charges, including two counts of deprivation of liberty, two of aggravated sexual penetration without consent, one break and enter with intent and one of indecent assault.
His arrest astonished neighbours of the 48-year-old accused, who had been living for the past 15 years in a modest four-bedroom house in Kewdale, in south Perth.
The sports fan and computer hobbyist who had helped neighbours with electronic connections in a casual, friendly manner is now in custody charged with allegedly committing two murders in one of Australia’s longest running unsolved cases.
Mr Edwards’ old high school friends were equally surprised, saying that one of their year 12 students had studied law at the University of Western Australia with Ciara Glennon, the last of the three young women whose deaths were attributed to the “Claremont serial killer”.


A man, believed to be Bradley Robert Edwards, is taken into custody two days before Christmas. Picture Justin Benson-Cooper/The West Australian


Bradley Edwards, above with his former partner, has been charged with two of the Claremont murders and two sex attacks. Picture: Facebook


Mr Edwards is charged with having abducted a teenager in Rowe Park (above) in Perth in 1995. Picture: Google




The western Perth suburb of Claremont is an affluent area famous for its clubs, pubs and night-life, and now infamous for the killings.

Mr Edwards has not entered a plea and has not been charged with the murder of Sarah Spiers, whose January 1996 disappearance from Club Bay View in Claremont started the case.

Born in December 1968, Bradley Edwards grew up in at least two different suburbs in Perth and, according to his high school friends, attended Huntingdale Primary School in the 1970s.
Graduating to Gosnells, which is now called Southern River College, Mr Edwards is believed to have attended the school with his brother, who is two years younger.

After finishing year 12, Mr Edwards is believed to have started working for Telstra (then called Telecom) in Perth in 1986.
Police allege that Mr Edwards was the person who committed an attack on a woman in Huntingdale, Perth, in 1988.

The alleged attack took place on February 17 when a man walked into a house and lay on top of a sleeping 18-year-old girl.


Police examine the home of Bradley Robert Edwards on December 23 in Kewdale, Perth


Solicitor Ciara Glennon in 1996, the year before she was abducted and murdered.


Jane Rimmer, 23, was found six weeks after she vanished from Claremont’s Continental Hotel.



Police say this silk kimono police was dropped at the site of a sexual assault in 1988 and they allege is linked to the Claremont murders.

The attacker dropped an embroidered silk kimono dressing gown taken from a clothes line before the attack.
Bradley Edwards has also been charged for the sexual assault of a girl in the suburb of Claremont.
In the early house of February 12, 1997, a 17-year-old was walking home from a club through Rowe Park in Claremont when she was abducted by a man.
Police also searched the Madora Bay home owned by Bradley Edwards’ parents south of Perth after his arrest.


Police also searched the Madora Bay home owned by Bradley Edwards’ parents south of Perth after his arrest.Source:Supplied


Police remove computers from the Perth home of alleged Claremont murders suspect Bradley Robert Edwards. Picture: Seven News.



In 1995 a teenage girl was abducted, tied with electrical cord and raped in the Karrakatta Cemetery. Picture: Google


The attacker tied her with electrical cord, placed a hood over her head and forced her into a vehicle.
She was driven one kilometre away to Karrakatta Cemetery, where she was raped and left.

Last week, police claimed they had found a DNA match between the dropped silk kimono, the Karrakatta rape and the last murder in the Claremont serial killings of Ciara Glennon.
The first suspected murder at Claremont, for which no body has been found and no one has been charged, was of Sarah Spiers.
Sarah Spiers


A country West Australian girl, Spiers moved to Perth to study at a business college and had found work as a secretary with a town planning company when she vanished.
The 17-year-old left Club Bay View early on January 26, 1996, and disappeared while waiting for a taxi on the Stirling Highway.
On June 9, 1996, childcare worker Jane Rimmer, 23, was bar hopping with friends in Claremont when she decided to stay on at the Continental Hotel.


A Perth newspaper reported on the community award to Bradley Edwards (above, far right) for his service to sport.


Bradley Edwards shakes hands with former WA Labor leader Eric Ripper during a presentation for his 10 years’ service at Kewdale Little Athletics Club in 2013. Picture: Facebook



CCTV from the hotel shows Ms Rimmer speaking briefly with a dark-haired male, whose back is to the camera.
She never made it home, and almost six weeks later Ms Rimmer’s body was found in bushland at Wellard, in southwestern Perth.
The male in the security footage, dubbed “mystery man” by police, has never been identified.
Solicitor Ciara Glennon had been travelling overseas for a year when she returned to Perth to attend her sister’s wedding.

 Ciara Glennon
The 27-year-old, who had been born in Zambia to Irish parents, went to the Claremont Hotel on March 14, 1997, a Friday and the eve of the weekend on which her sister’s wedding was due to take place.
Ms Glennon left her friends to take a taxi home, but was never seen alive again.

Nineteen days later, a bushwalker found Ms Glennon’s body on a track in scrubland in Eglinton, north of Perth.


An exterior shot of the four bedroom home Bradley Robert Edwards has lived in for 16 years in Perth.




Police at Carabooda in Western Australia after the discovery of the body of Ciara Glennon. Picture: News Corp.



In 2000, Bradley Edwards and his French-Australian wife bought their four-bedroom house at Kewdale, where Mr Edwards has lived since.
Mr Edwards’ wife, whose family operated a successful restaurant business in Perth, has a daughter who was born in 1994.
The young woman was at the Kewdale house at the time of Mr Edwards’ arrest last week, although he has reportedly separated from his wife.
Mr Edwards’ social media pages indicate that he and his wife were both volunteers at the Kewdale and Belmont Little Athletics clubs, and made life members at Kewdale.
Photographs of Mr Edwards at club events show a large, dark-haired man in relaxed poses wearing club attire.
Belmont Council gave Mr Edwards a community service award for his “tireless work” at the region’s little athletics centre.
He has acted as a photographer for one of the clubs and his stepdaughter has worked in broadcast media at several sports events.


CCTV footage of Jane Rimmer (left, holding black jacket) just before her disappearance with a dark-haired male who has never been identified. Picture: Western Australia Police



Forensic police examine the crime scene where Jane Rimmer’s body was found at Wellard, south of Perth, WA. Picture: News Corp
Forensic police examine the crime scene where Jane Rimmer’s body was found at Wellard, south of Perth, WA. Picture: News CorpSource:News Corp Australia
Last year, detectives from Task Force Macro, which has been investigating the Claremont serial killings for two decades, announced they had a DNA link between Ciara Glennon’s remains and the Karrakatta rape victim.
After Mr Edwards’ arrest last week, police confirmed the link with the silk kimono dropped in the 1988 attack.
WA detectives said the dressing gown was accidentally dropped by the intruder in the Huntingdale attack after he intended to rape the teenager, but her screams forced him to flee.
The gown had spent 28 years in storage at the WA Police evidence receival centre.

However, a few months ago officers from the State Crime Operations team conducted DNA tests on the kimono.
Police now alleged the DNA samples came back matched two other samples on the police database.
Those samples had been recovered from the body of the Ciara Glennon, and from the 17-year-old girl raped at Karrakatta cemetery in 1995.
Police had the DNA link, so they reopened the case file of the 1988 Huntingdale attack.

Another clue Macro detectives have employed is the identification of car upholstery fibres found on the remains of Jane Rimmer, which led police to believe the killer drove a VS Commodore made in the mid-1990s.
After Mr Edwards arrest and a forensic examination of his Kewdale home, detectives made a further search of a property at Madora Bay in Perth belonging to his parents.
Bradley Robert Edwards will next appear in court on January 11.
candace.sutton@news.com.au

Happening now! Arrest in connection with Claremont Serial Killings! self.serialkillers

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Could not believe when I saw this on the news. I'm an Aussie and this is an unsolved case that really plays on the minds of the general public. Amazing to see a breakthrough like this.

I only just listened to the Case File podcast on this case, which I highly recommend.

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Case File is where i heard of the case, too. I hope it's finally got some resolution!

Casefile has its own sub now. I'll find the link and update, I think it's just getting going..... /u/sunshine_rex /u/theusualuser /u/dethb0y

It's /r/casefile

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http://casefilepodcast.com/claremont/

Casefile is one of my faves.

Please keep us up to date on this!

The bloke has been named on the Brisbane Times. Not sure if it is within the rules of this sub to post it nut you can find it.

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No rules against that. I don't think doxing applies to charged serial killers.

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Bradley Edwards. He has a facebook, look for yoda, and his photos are on perthnow.

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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/claremont-serial-killer-timeline/6860718

Great article thanks mate. DNA from karrakatta fucked him

 

I wonder if it has anything to do with that youtube video that was posted last week and then taken down. I'll see if I can find it, but it was someone who thought a person was using multiple social media accounts and knew info about the crimes. Even the mirror I linked a friend has been now taken down.

Edit: The linked video is actually still on this reddit's front page, but it's been taken down as of yesterday I think.

The video was about a doctor called Andrew Dunn, apparently a creeper and was also a witness in a trial of a man who'd apparently killed his wife, the accused husband however claimed innocence and pointed the finger at dunn

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Yeah, I wasn't thinking the video was the big break through, but interesting timing.

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Agreed. I've always kept a close eye on csk (I live nearby) and the video sparked another round of interest just the other day, strange timing

 

Same, I live in Perth too but in the South Eastern suburbs.

 

I live three streets down from Acton ave. Wtf

Not sure if this is the doctor in question - 

http://www.riviera.com.au/eNewsArchive/aug/corporate/eNewsAug12/articleImages/q5.jpg - Riviera Syndication Sun Rottnest Island, WA Father Andrew and daughter Claire at Rottnest Is WA. By Andrew Dunn

I don't think so one of the accounts that the video claimed was the killer has commented several times on a YouTube video about the killings this morning

Confused. If police won't confirm the arrest is related to the CSK, why is this supposedly him? Nothing in the article gives a reason. It just mentions an arrest and then tells us a bit about CSK. It even mentions that the man arrested was not previously a suspect in that case. That doesn't mean he is now, either.

Our police here are super cautious with official statements, especially with this case. I'm a local journo and this is not unusual for us... thus why we have other contacts too ;-)

I'm curious to how it works when suspects are named in the media? I know it's not a rare occurrence worldwide- that said, isn't there a danger that they don't get a fair trial due to the media exposure? I'm curious with you being a journalist and how the rules on that work as such! Cheers.

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Great question, thank you! That's a very real danger here and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up a judge only trial (see the acquittal of Lloyd Rayney for comparison).

Naming of the accused is legally permitted once he or she have appeared in court, as it is then deemed to be on the public record. In rare cases, a judge may suppress the name of the accused, but that most often applies where there is an underage victim related in some way.

Media (and local social media users) have been firmly warned today by police to not publish anything which may prejudice the trial. Technically, one could be held in contempt of court for going overboard with speculation or detail, but I'm not aware of one case where that has actually happened - thus the seemingly lax attitude by media and public alike.

In fact, up until a few years ago, the police actually freely gave us the name of the accused prior to the court date so we could follow it in local court listings.

Happy to answer any other questions you have. Understandably, there's a huge amount of buzz in the newsroom at the moment!

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That was a very thorough, informative reply. Thanks! Yeah it's always interesting to me when journalists report on suspects and particularly potentially very big cases like this. The reason being that the coverage will inevitably lead to public opinion being skewed one way or another and you do wonder whether the suspect will actually get a fair trial! In this case, Im sure the police have some solid evidence (familial DNA perhaps?- if the reasoning for why the breakthrough has come about apologies!) And the guy in question probably is a complete scumbag who committed these offences. That said, when you do have suspects who turn out to be falsely accused (Here in the UK the case of Colin Stagg comes to mind and also this guy https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/29/christopher-jefferies-tv-joanna-yeates-murder) it makes you wonder whether these guys lives are ever the same again?!

Don't get me wrong though- I understand a journalist/reporters job is to report the news so I don't blame you guys. I do think the media generally should be more careful though when considering the possible ramifications of naming suspects.

I completely agree... especially now that almost anyone can claim to be a "journalist" without the legal and ethical training. Not every pro journo cares about that anyway, but a great deal of us still do.

It's really tricky if one outlet publishes a particular detail. It unleashes this torrent of catch-up behaviour by the rest of the outlets and sometimes the due diligence can be missed there.

You mentioned Colin Stagg and there are a bunch of parallels there with another case local to Perth - Andrew Mallard. That bloke was found innocent (after many years behind bars) but there are some people who will never think of him the same.

I'm not sure of the exact nature of the case police have built in this Claremont case, but I know there will be real pressure on them to have all their ducks in a row. It has been an incredibly expensive investigation and has been scrutinised at every step by media and the public.

I get a sense here in Perth that people are very keen to have someone to blame for these killings and put the whole drama behind us. That could really be problematic if this man is indeed innocent as it means that sense of unease is still with us.

The whole Sarah Spiers thing is troubling too. Hopefully, we'll have some answers in that regard soon!

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Have we heard anything about how we arrived at this guy yet?

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I have a mate who is a lawyer here in Perth who says she's known about this for about 12 months (can't say anything beyond that for obvious reasons), so if that's how long this arrest has been in the pipeline it lines up pretty neatly with the discovery of the link between the Karrakatta victim and CG. I think it's fair to say that said victim has likely provided the initial evidence needed for this arrest, since they've apparently spent a year making sure they've got the right guy.

Not yet, but there has been some speculation on online forums in recent months about a Telstra employee being a "person of interest" (among many, many other theories).

The accused is listed to appear in court next on 25 January and will be shifted to the larger courtroom to accommodate the large media contingent - so you can expect every little detail of that hearing to make it to the press.

Western Australia does not allow filming or photographs in courtrooms, so the best you're likely to get visually is a court sketch (if the judge permits).

This is still sitting with the (lower-level) magistrates court, so there's likely a bit of procedural stuff to get through before we get any juicy details (which will probably be heard in the district or Supreme Court, due to the severity of the charges).

A 20-ish year old woman (presumably the accused's daughter) was also taken in for questioning, but she has not been charged and it's unclear whether she was able to assist investigators.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/claremont-serial-killings-silk-kimono-believed-to-be-vital-clue/news-story/d5498c5d0593771d7f526f90646d52f0

As part of testing old case evidence with new forensic techniques, they found a sample of DNA on a piece of clothing from an unsolved sexual assault.

This DNA also matched DNA found on Ciara Glennon's body and another earlier sexual assault so they knew that these cases were linked.

Piecing it all together has probably led them to Robert Edwards.

I'm guessing that he was probably a suspect in that earlier sexual assault but there wasn't enough evidence at the time to pin it on him.

‏ @caty_price via twitter

Ciara Glennon's family told @TenNewsPerth police rang them to confirm a breakthrough in Claremont serial killer case #tennews

Apparently the families have been notified, so surely they have something

They have to cover this carefully. Innocent until proven guilty. Especially when it comes to someone accused of being a serial killer....that's a VERY large accusation right? That's just my opinion.

According to a lawyer friend of mine the arrest of this suspect has been in the pipeline for 12 months, if true (and I trust that it is), it sounds like the WA police have been incredibly thorough (not to mention secretive) in their investigations of this individual. There is no way they are going to cock this up, I don't believe they would have made an arrest unless they are 99% sure of a conviction, not with such a high profile case which has spanned two decades, and not with knowing how social media works in this day and age. Like you said, innocent until proven guilty, but I believe the police 100% believe they've got their guy (and surely it has to be based on DNA evidence). It will be interesting to see how he pleads, he is going to get absolutely grilled on SS in the meantime.

UPDATE: This man been charged in four attacks and two homicides. He's 48 years old, according to the police commissioner. He is charged with the 17-year-old who was abducted and raped in Karrakatta Cemetery. He is charged with the murders of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer. He was also charged with a 1988 break-in and indecent assault of an 18-year-old woman. He acted alone, according to police. They're still looking into Sarah Spiers. If you have any information, or if this has jogged your memory, the police commissioner urges you to contact police, and he also urges people not to speculate in any way that might undermine the effectiveness of their investigation.

Here is video.

And the link to the WA Police press release issued this morning...

2016 has been a fantastic year for solving mysteries let's hope for the families of unsolved murder victims and the families who have missing loved ones 2017 is even better

It is entirely possible that if this is indeed CSK, he may be involved in the disappearance of Julie Cutler in the 1980s.

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If he's the right man, here's hoping he'll have the decency to help them find Sarah's body now.

who is B edwards?

The man is called Bradley Edwards

Thanks.

 

Didn't think we would have a huge break through this year for this case. 2016 has been a big year. I'm a local for this case, female and around the same age of the girls when they went missing. This case shook the town, missing posters for Sarah were up everywhere and we held out breath when Jane and then Ciara went missing. We knew then that Perth had a serial killer and he was possibly responsible for the disappearance of Julie Cutler in 1988, and possibly school girl Lisa Mott in the 80's. I now have young adult daughters and if this arrest turns out to be the serial killers, I will breath a sigh of relief. Hopefully the family will get Sarah's remains back and any other missing girls may be found.

This could be huge.

 

I listen to Casefile but I also listen to a hundred other crime podcasts. What sucks about that is, when something like this happens, my brain has so many cases and murders in it that I can't even remember which one it is. Damn. I guess I'll have to relisten

And I thought it was just me! I don't remember hearing about this SK.

 

That's amazing, I was wondering if this guy would ever be found. Fantastic news.

Two people deleted themselves from his friends list on facebook in the last 5 minutes

5 people..

 

I am mildly interested to see if i could break into his social media accounts, I already found his email address, but I really dont want to be charged with perverting the course of justice or some shit.

come on, take one for the team

DO IT DO IT DO IT

 

Anyone interested in getting a name and phone number can do it by googling the address. The house was most recently purchased in 2000 and the name associated with the address is active in web administration and a little athletics club... DO a little more digging and you will find a single picture of POI with assumed ex partner. It's scary how much information is available with some searching.

Yeah, let's harass the innocent daughter of a suspect. Just what she needs at this time, sounds like she has a young child too, which should be even more satisfying. SMH

I'm all for privacy and not naming his family. Unfortunately when you don't protect yourself online this is what happens. I've found his photos and his daughters photos/twitter and his mobile number with a single google search

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Are you a wizard? Or am I just retarded?

 

I am a mildly retarded wizard. Websleuths named a bunch of stuff earlier today.

 

Yeah I read through all of that

 

You can enter people's phone numbers into facebook or use truecaller to find the name

Assuming the person owns the house you just do a landgate search for $30 and the persons name comes up on the certificate of title for the house.

Where can i find the address?

Does anyone know how they got onto this guy?

Not yet. The police will almost certainly talk about it at some point, but for now they will likely keep it secret until they firm up their case more. Likely nothing will be heard in court about the case until the second half of the year, unless he pleads guilty Jan 25th.

No need to be careful about naming who it is anymore. The media has put it out there:

"The man accused of being the Claremont serial killer, Bradley Robert Edwards, appeared in court on Friday morning charged with murder, abduction and sexual assault.

The 48-year-old Kewdale man remained silent during the brief appearance and was remanded in custody until his next appearance at Stirling Gardens Magistrates Court on January 11."

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/claremont-serial-killer-man-appears-in-court-charged-with-claremont-murders-20161223-gth517.html

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‏ @caty_price via twitter

Ciara Glennon's family told @TenNewsPerth police rang them to confirm a breakthrough in Claremont serial killer case #tennews

He's been charged http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-23/claremont-serial-killings-man-charged-with-murder/8144518

yes!! And with DNA from the Karrakatta rape there's 0% chance of error. This is great news.

No, DNA can still be wrong for a variety of reasons, so perhaps 1%.... It must be corroborated with other evidence, which I assume they have.

More like the bloody triangle

https://www.reddit.com/r/perth/comments/5jpvus/wa_police_make_arrest_believed_to_be_related_to/

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2 P.48

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page48

10-17-2015, 10:21 PM#706 Mel 1303  Mel 1303 is offline

We dont know that they have dna. The original story, in the Post, said that police had forensic evidence. They did not say DNA. When the Post's Brett Christian was interviewed on radio, he again said forensic evidence. Might be dna, but might be something else. The girl in Karrakatta was released without her clothes, but were her hands still bound? If there were still bindings on that girl, and bindings on CG, they may have been able to prove that the cord came from the same roll, or something like that. A rapist doesnt always leave dna evidence.

This is not a new breakthrough- it is only new to us. The police made this connection in 2009.

10-18-2015, 12:48 AM#707 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Re DNA

There are 4 possibilities;

1. LE have both Karakatta and CSK DNA (from CG)

2. LE have Karakatta DNA but not CSK DNA

3. LE have CSK DNA but not Karakatta DNA

4. LE have neither.

Then if we bring other forensics into it then the amount of options are exponential.

You'd think they have Karakatta DNA. She went straight to hospital staffed by people who know how to deal with emergencies and know who to contact. She should have been given an examination within a short time period. At the very least there would have been fibre transfer and hopefully DNA - pubic hair, sweat, saliva, semen etc.

If they had DNA from Karakatta then you' assume they compared this to LW. SR, PW etc and didn't get a match. I wonder if they did this early on and hence the reason they moved away from Karakatta being linked - as in "LW isn't Karakatta man so let's stop investigating it".

** It's possible of course police were blase about the rape and didn't do a thorough examination or one at all.

10-18-2015, 01:05 AM#708 crabstick  crabstick is offline

The 17 year old ran into Hollywood hospital shouting abduction, violent rape!!! Possibly bound with telephone cable according Billy Whizz by the sound of it. Although I wouldn't take his word for it. The hospital would take it deadly serious with procedures in place. The hospital has an obligation. Police don't do the DNA kit.

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Re DNA

There are 4 possibilities;

1. LE have both Karakatta and CSK DNA (from CG)

2. LE have Karakatta DNA but not CSK DNA

3. LE have CSK DNA but not Karakatta DNA

4. LE have neither.

Then if we bring other forensics into it then the amount of options are exponential.

You'd think they have Karakatta DNA. She went straight to hospital staffed by people who know how to deal with emergencies and know who to contact. She should have been given an examination within a short time period. At the very least there would have been fibre transfer and hopefully DNA - pubic hair, sweat, saliva, semen etc.

If they had DNA from Karakatta then you' assume they compared this to LW. SR, PW etc and didn't get a match. I wonder if they did this early on and hence the reason they moved away from Karakatta being linked - as in "LW isn't Karakatta man so let's stop investigating it".

** It's possible of course police were blase about the rape and didn't do a thorough examination or one at all.

10-18-2015, 01:31 AM#709 north_west  north_west is offline

Forensic examination

A forensic examination can be undertaken by the SARC doctor. This is an important way of collecting evidence of a sexual assault to be used in future court proceedings if you report the assault to the police. The aim of the examination is to collect and document evidence. It may include:

Taking a history of the assault

Documenting your general health

Collecting samples of physical evidence such as taking swabs for DNA

Taking photographs of injuries or bruises (photographs are not taken of the genital area)

Collecting clothing worn when the assault occurred

Writing a medico-legal report on your physical condition

In most cases a forensic examination is undertaken within hours of SARC being contacted. Although DNA can still be found 7-10 days after an assault, the sooner you come to SARC the better, as this will enable collection of the best evidence.

In regional areas, SARC forensic kits are used by doctors or specially trained nurses to collect forensic evidence on your behalf.

http://www.kemh.health.wa.gov.au/ser...c/have_you.htm

10-18-2015, 01:37 AM#710 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

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The have to have Karakatta man's DNA don't they?

10-18-2015, 01:46 AM#711 crabstick  crabstick is offline

The interesting thing is. They were still collecting DNA up even only 12 months ago.

That's a lot of effort if they didn't have DNA. 2 decades of DNA collection when you don't have any.

Knock knock, who's there! secret.gifsecret.gif

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The have to have Karakatta man's DNA don't they?

The 17 year old violent rape victim would now be 37?

10-18-2015, 02:00 AM#712 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

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It just makes me wonder...who rapes someone in a graveyard? Someone who either worked there or lived near there? You'd have to feel reasonably comfortable about driving in there at night. I mean, you can bump into some "unusual" people in graveyards at night...I assume...witches, satanists, druids? A graveyard at night at least has the possibility of some level of activity. While generally bushland does not...

RSBM. A cemetery might add to the excitement for a developing serial killer. Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, Arthur Shawcross all engaged in necrophilia.

Lust murderers can also be distinguished from other sex related homicide offenders by their involvement in necrophilia.

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/Res...lustmurder.htm

Older article, but still informative.

You are probably right though that he lived or worked nearby.

10-18-2015, 02:33 AM#713 Mel 1303  Mel 1303 is offline

In a violent rape that occurred today, in 2015, the amount of forensic evidence that could be collected is different to what they would have looked for 20 years ago. It was 1995 that OJ Simpson got off (in part) because people weren't convinced of the reliability of dna from blood samples. Rape kits are fairly standard practice today, but were they then? I am asking, rather than stating- I dont know. They may well have dna from the Karrakatta attack- I have no inside information.

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In a violent rape that occurred today, in 2015, the amount of forensic evidence that could be collected is different to what they would have looked for 20 years ago. It was 1995 that OJ Simpson got off (in part) because people weren't convinced of the reliability of dna from blood samples. Rape kits are fairly standard practice today, but were they then? I am asking, rather than stating- I dont know. They may well have dna from the Karrakatta attack- I have no inside information.

DNA was well known by police back then but apart from that my understanding is that even before DNA was around standard evidence collecting procedures allowed DNA to be preserved.

The only reason they wouldn't have DNA is police treating the rape with a complete lack of respect in collecting evidence or they lost the evidence.

So if they have the Karakatta DNA then they would have compared it to LW, PW, SR and you'd think Judoman years ago. If it's true they have linked Karakatta to the CSK through some sort of forensic evidence then they have to rule all these suspects out.

There was an unconfirmed rumour about a suspect who worked for Telecom (Now Telstra) who had unlogged access to Telecom vehicles, was reported to be offering girls lifts in the area and had been frequenting Conti and Club.

I wonder if this guy has been ruled out (if he exists). Certainly had access to telephone cable.

10-18-2015, 04:29 AM#715 GreenDevil  GreenDevil is offline

They 100% have DNA from the Karrakatta sexual assault. Even if they have a match for DNA from any of the Persons of Interest regarding the Claremont murders, with the Karrakatta offence, it doesn't mean they have enough evidence to lay charges for the Claremont murders.

This event confirms that they already know who they CSK is, now they are just working on obtaining that extra piece of evidence (which is what they've been doing for last 17 years).

  

10-18-2015, 04:43 AM#716 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

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...In 1995 a young woman got into a taxi in Claremont and the driver drove her to the other side of the railway line to the golf course...

RSBM. Anyone know where this is? Name of golf course or your best guess at a street?

10-18-2015, 04:45 AM#717 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Lake Claremont Golf Course

My best guess is Stirling Rd (yes, it's the same Stirling Rd). Drive to the end and there's a culdesac near the lake. You can walk through to the first hole on the par 3 course from there. Not a lot of houses and not too far to drive.

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Lake Claremont Golf Course

My best guess is Stirling Rd (yes, it's the same Stirling Rd). Drive to the end and there's a culdesac near the lake. You can walk through to the first hole on the par 3 course from there. Not a lot of houses and not too far to drive.

There's the Claremont Pool/Davies Rd Pool car park that is right next to the par 3 course but a high fence

separates them and there is no access so this has to be ruled out.

He could have driven down Lapsley to the club house. Pretty sure you can walk straight onto the gold course from

there.

Then there's Henshaw Lane and Lakeway St. Too housey for me and too risky.

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They have ruled out both Lance Williams and Peter Wegers from the reports, who they specifically have not mentioned or ruled out is our Judoman who appeared in the documentary. He has specifically not been ruled out, how ever we are hearing in reports that they beleive Blitz attack, he is looking like the main suspect right now.

Who else was a major suspect in the documentary at the time?

Who is a major suspect other than Judoman now? Donald Morey, people are saying he can't be the CSK, what proof has anyone ever put forward EVER to suggest he was not in the state killing at the time, he is obviously the man Con Bayens is refering too, Highgate was Moreys hunting ground. And if Lisa Brown was Moreys kill then it happened straight after the CSK killings and looks to have changed his MO with the heat.

We know serial killers change their MO's even Richard Dorrough tried to run a person down, ALso obviously Perths famous Eric Edgar Cooke who killed in many different ways. I dont buy this serial kiler is stupid enough to only kill in one place and in one way. I think he has easy hunting grounds and just so happened to hunt in claremont for a few years until the heat was on.

Amazing the police bungled the Karakata rape investigation and refused to follow the FBI's advice, reeks of keystone cops..

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10-18-2015, 07:41 AM#722 elastic  elastic is offline

Someone posted the below a few days ago and then quickly removed it in minutes and deleted their post, why?

And has anyone debunked it, it sounds extreme, more than likely the rantings of a loon, but can anyone be certain that there weren't rapes around UWA, and if so were they reported in the media, and why not if this was happening?

I would like to know why the person who posted the below quickly deleted it though, what made you change your mind?

erraAustralis • 3 years agoMILES,

I didn't get into the Perth & Claremont stuff in those posts. Around the same time I became a whistle-blower over the Claremont killings and the rapes at UWA, I was approached / recruited by, or on behalf of, the Defence Dept and most of the major Aust banks, to market their software.

Tess (Lawrence) has done several articles on the banks - my posts to her articles covered what I learned about our banks, and some of our Defence contractors (fraud, treason and breaches by their subsidiaries of RICO legislation in the USA - the RICO breaches translate into our banksters being in business with the Las Vegas and Chicago mafia).

Interspersed with the posts about the banksters' treason and RICO stuff, I added a bit about what had happened to us - forced exile, the shootings etc, but I didn't touch on the Perth stuff.

I was not the only one who knew what was happening re the protected suspect in the Claremont killings. His actions were so blatant, and so criminal, that he was bound to attract attention - and he did.

A senior police officer (no names so IA doesn't get sued for defamation) came to Nedlands to meet a group of local business people who had identified the suspect for his likely involvement in the killings and rapes. By tha stage the police had his "violent sexual predator" handwritten profile, and the Commissioner's office were definite that they wanted the guy locked up forever, or run out of WA forever.

Obviously, based on what police told people later, they were ordered to protect the guy. And anyone who knew of his activities was effectively neutralised.

Eg a Nedlands lawyer who identified the same suspect (and an accomplice) to police from a break and enter at Applecross was forced to give up work - his wife suddenly became so ill, that her husband retired to become her full time carer. The file he had on the suspect was cleaned out from his law firm's files, within weeks of him quitting work.

If you saw the CCTV footage of Jill Meagher being accosted in the street by her (alleged) killer, you witnessed something almost identical to what was happening outside the UWA library. The "violent sexual predator" used to spend the early part of each night walking up and down the paths leading from the library, accosting women. the rape victims were dragged into the bushes a few metres of the paths.

Campus security knew he was there, knew what he was doing, and knew that he was not a studeny, so he had no business being on campus. But security and the university admin went out of their way to protect him - they refused, in writing, to do anything about him. It was not hard for the uni admin to intimidate staff or students who complained. The suspect had a brother on the staff at UWA, which may have had something to do with the protection.

If he failed to "get any results" around the library by 10 pm, ge then moved up Stirling Hwy to repeat his prowling around the nightspots of Claremont.

The guy used to try and on-sell ("fence" might be the right word) stuff he had stolen through local businesses in the Crawley, Nedlands and Claremont area. That was reported (multiple times) to the police. But for someone in a small business, and trying to pay the bills and the wages, and make a profit, it only takes a few hassling visits from the local council's inspectors, to scare people off from making any more waves.

Others, like me, ended up, out of Australia - I got a letter from a Perth law firm telling me I would be arrested at any Australian airport of I ever tried to return. The arrest warrant was organised by the same judge who was protecting the rapes/murder suspect. As far as I know, that arrest warrant was dropped a while ago, but, so far, I have not been able to get back my Aust passport ( it expired after I was exiled), so I am still "out".

The police identified a Perth judge as the main one protecting the guy. Maybe true - or maybe there is more to it - he was the product of a top private school in Melbourne, was from Toorak (probably loosely equivalent to being Melbourne's answer to Peppermint Grove), and his family have ties into the Melbourne establishment, and the top level of Australia's military and intell circles, that date back over a century.

The guy has a few other vices besides theft, violence and sexual predations - his other hobbies included Asian baiting and harassing Moslems - he has received coverage in the Malaysian media for this, and DFAT had to assign staff to try and hose down the political fall-out from that.

He worked with an accomplice, or as part of a group (as testified by the Nedland lawyer who identified him).

He kept a pile of newspaper clippings on the murders.

Like Bayley (the Brunswick "suspect"), he spent a lot of time in the gym.

He was arrogant, with the private school, "school-bully" attitude, that it was his right to help himself to whatever, or whoever, took his fancy.

There was an impotence clinic run by a Dr Denis Cherry in Subiaco. (I think he has since moved closer to QE II hospital, down in Nedlands). Anyway, our "violent sexual predator" was being treated for impotence by the same Dr Cherry. The combo of "violent sexual predator" and impotence clinic rang alarm bells with a lot of people.

But, obviously. not with the Australian, especially the West Australian media. They know about it, have known for years, but say and do nothing.

Mr 'violent sexual predator" has been back and forth, free to prowl the streets of Perth and Melbourne for years. My hunch is that when the Melbourne police had reports of similar behaviour around Brunswick, they thought "It might be him!", so they opted to back off, lest they got a rap over the knuckles or damaged their career prospects, by upsetting whoever was protecting him.

10-18-2015, 07:38 AM#721 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

They have ruled out both Lance Williams and Peter Wegers from the reports,

That doesn't necessarily mean it's true. The only reason the media release information on this case is because the police are feeding them carefully worded statements as part of their strategy.

who they specifically have not mentioned or ruled out is our Judoman who appeared in the documentary. He has specifically not been ruled out, how ever we are hearing in reports that they beleive Blitz attack, he is looking like the main suspect right now.

He hasn't been ruled out because he hasn't been acknowledged publicly as a suspect. His stocks have gone up though.

Who else was a major suspect in the documentary at the time?

The "known sexual pervert with a gun under his seat".

Donald Morey, people are saying he can't be the CSK, what proof has anyone ever put forward EVER to suggest he was not in the state killing at the time,

He was incarcerated at the time. It's not him. Put a line through his name.

Amazing the police bungled the Karakata rape investigation and refused to follow the FBI's advice, reeks of keystone cops..

I suspect there's a lot more going on behind the scenes.

10-18-2015, 07:41 AM#722 elastic  elastic is offline

Someone posted the below a few days ago and then quickly removed it in minutes and deleted their post, why?

And has anyone debunked it, it sounds extreme, more than likely the rantings of a loon, but can anyone be certain that there weren't rapes around UWA, and if so were they reported in the media, and why not if this was happening?

I would like to know why the person who posted the below quickly deleted it though, what made you change your mind?

TerraAustralis • 3 years agoMILES,

I didn't get into the Perth & Claremont stuff in those posts. Around the same time I became a whistle-blower over the Claremont killings and the rapes at UWA, I was approached / recruited by, or on behalf of, the Defence Dept and most of the major Aust banks, to market their software.

Tess (Lawrence) has done several articles on the banks - my posts to her articles covered what I learned about our banks, and some of our Defence contractors (fraud, treason and breaches by their subsidiaries of RICO legislation in the USA - the RICO breaches translate into our banksters being in business with the Las Vegas and Chicago mafia).

Interspersed with the posts about the banksters' treason and RICO stuff, I added a bit about what had happened to us - forced exile, the shootings etc, but I didn't touch on the Perth stuff.

I was not the only one who knew what was happening re the protected suspect in the Claremont killings. His actions were so blatant, and so criminal, that he was bound to attract attention - and he did.

A senior police officer (no names so IA doesn't get sued for defamation) came to Nedlands to meet a group of local business people who had identified the suspect for his likely involvement in the killings and rapes. By tha stage the police had his "violent sexual predator" handwritten profile, and the Commissioner's office were definite that they wanted the guy locked up forever, or run out of WA forever.

Obviously, based on what police told people later, they were ordered to protect the guy. And anyone who knew of his activities was effectively neutralised.

Eg a Nedlands lawyer who identified the same suspect (and an accomplice) to police from a break and enter at Applecross was forced to give up work - his wife suddenly became so ill, that her husband retired to become her full time carer. The file he had on the suspect was cleaned out from his law firm's files, within weeks of him quitting work.

If you saw the CCTV footage of Jill Meagher being accosted in the street by her (alleged) killer, you witnessed something almost identical to what was happening outside the UWA library. The "violent sexual predator" used to spend the early part of each night walking up and down the paths leading from the library, accosting women. the rape victims were dragged into the bushes a few metres of the paths.

Campus security knew he was there, knew what he was doing, and knew that he was not a studeny, so he had no business being on campus. But security and the university admin went out of their way to protect him - they refused, in writing, to do anything about him. It was not hard for the uni admin to intimidate staff or students who complained. The suspect had a brother on the staff at UWA, which may have had something to do with the protection.

If he failed to "get any results" around the library by 10 pm, ge then moved up Stirling Hwy to repeat his prowling around the nightspots of Claremont.

The guy used to try and on-sell ("fence" might be the right word) stuff he had stolen through local businesses in the Crawley, Nedlands and Claremont area. That was reported (multiple times) to the police. But for someone in a small business, and trying to pay the bills and the wages, and make a profit, it only takes a few hassling visits from the local council's inspectors, to scare people off from making any more waves.

Others, like me, ended up, out of Australia - I got a letter from a Perth law firm telling me I would be arrested at any Australian airport of I ever tried to return. The arrest warrant was organised by the same judge who was protecting the rapes/murder suspect. As far as I know, that arrest warrant was dropped a while ago, but, so far, I have not been able to get back my Aust passport ( it expired after I was exiled), so I am still "out".

The police identified a Perth judge as the main one protecting the guy. Maybe true - or maybe there is more to it - he was the product of a top private school in Melbourne, was from Toorak (probably loosely equivalent to being Melbourne's answer to Peppermint Grove), and his family have ties into the Melbourne establishment, and the top level of Australia's military and intell circles, that date back over a century.

The guy has a few other vices besides theft, violence and sexual predations - his other hobbies included Asian baiting and harassing Moslems - he has received coverage in the Malaysian media for this, and DFAT had to assign staff to try and hose down the political fall-out from that.

He worked with an accomplice, or as part of a group (as testified by the Nedland lawyer who identified him).

He kept a pile of newspaper clippings on the murders.

Like Bayley (the Brunswick "suspect"), he spent a lot of time in the gym.

He was arrogant, with the private school, "school-bully" attitude, that it was his right to help himself to whatever, or whoever, took his fancy.

There was an impotence clinic run by a Dr Denis Cherry in Subiaco. (I think he has since moved closer to QE II hospital, down in Nedlands). Anyway, our "violent sexual predator" was being treated for impotence by the same Dr Cherry. The combo of "violent sexual predator" and impotence clinic rang alarm bells with a lot of people.

But, obviously. not with the Australian, especially the West Australian media. They know about it, have known for years, but say and do nothing.

Mr 'violent sexual predator" has been back and forth, free to prowl the streets of Perth and Melbourne for years. My hunch is that when the Melbourne police had reports of similar behaviour around Brunswick, they thought "It might be him!", so they opted to back off, lest they got a rap over the knuckles or damaged their career prospects, by upsetting whoever was protecting him.

10-18-2015, 07:45 AM#723 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post

That doesn't necessarily mean it's true. The only reason the media release information on this case is because the police are feeding them carefully worded statements as part of their strategy.

He hasn't been ruled out because he hasn't been acknowledged publicly as a suspect. His stocks have gone up though.

The "known sexual pervert with a gun under his seat"

He was incarcerated at the time. It's not him. Put a line through his name.

I suspect there's a lot more going on behind the scenes.

Proof please, this is the problem, people are complaining that there is so mucvh unsubstatiated information, yet no one has actually proved Morey was locked up, and highgate was his hunting spot, and Con Bayens refers to highgate. Hmmm If he was locked up then good we can strike him out, but I am not going off the word of some internet CSK catching ethusiast that has provided nothing substantial to back this up. Is there a news paper article? something? then we can strike him out and move on, otherwise he is most definitely in the mix, what year was he released? How did it tie in with Sara McMahon's murder?

10-18-2015, 07:48 AM#724 elastic  elastic is offline

So Terrence J Mclernen is claiming it is a CHUBB Security installer, they usually drive VANS, it looking like a VAN was involved, which also looks to have links to telecom, or phone cable, which is used in security installation, which could tie into the CHUBB van theory that he came out with months before any of these reports...

This throws another variable into the mix, where has judoman worked, has he done security installation, what is his trade?

10-18-2015, 07:58 AM#725 billywhizz's Avatar billywhizz  billywhizz is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

Someone posted the below a few days ago and then quickly removed it in minutes and deleted their post, why?

And has anyone debunked it, it sounds extreme, more than likely the rantings of a loon, but can anyone be certain that there weren't rapes around UWA, and if so were they reported in the media, and why not if this was happening?

I would like to know why the person who posted the below quickly deleted it though, what made you change your mind?

I posted it once on big footy and got shouted down. I was planning on posting it again at a later date, but didn't want to distract/divert attention away from latest articles by giving airtime to a user claiming a cover up. I just thought it was interesting that the user alluded to precursor crimes like breaking and entering, similar to what was described in the Post article from earlier this year. That user has more comments below that same article as well.

I was very young at the time but seem to have a recollection of reading about women getting assaulted around Nedlands area in the Post, particularly near Broadway shops. I think it's called Broadway Fair now?

Also remember reading about assaults in Kings Park too.

Here is a report about Donald Morey -

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_...on_finding.pdf

Check page 24 - Mr Morey's bag which contained his kill kit and a map. Knives, gaffa, ropes etc.

I have no idea when he was in/out of jail.

10-18-2015, 08:07 AM#726 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by billywhizz  View Post

I posted it once on big footy and got shouted down. I was planning on posting it again at a later date, but didn't want to distract/divert attention away from latest articles by giving airtime to a user claiming a cover up. I just thought it was interesting that the user alluded to precursor crimes like breaking and entering, similar to what was described in the Post article from earlier this year. That user has more comments below that same article as well.

I was very young at the time but seem to have a recollection of reading about women getting assaulted around Nedlands area in the Post, particularly near Broadway shops. I think it's called Broadway Fair now?

Also remember reading about assaults in Kings Park too.

Here is a report about Donald Morey -

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_...on_finding.pdf

Check page 24 - Mr Morey's bag which contained his kill kit and a map. Knives, gaffa, ropes etc.

I have no idea when he was in/out of jail.

Yes its a very interesting piece and remember reading it originally in the other thread which must have been your original post, its definitely worth discussing and is very interesting, regardless if it turns out to be the ranting of a loon.

The Morey thing bothers me, a highgate suspect magically turns up in investigations years and years down the track, Moreys hunting ground is high gate, no one has proved he was locked up during the time or was not in WA, and especially not in any of the CSK threads, yet a few people are trying to stare the discussion away from him, this despite Con Bayens even most probably mentioning he beleives this guy (Morey) is probably the guy, without risking a libel case against him! This all checks out, I would love to strike him out because it really just leaves Judoman left at this point, or someone else not even in the mix. But a Blitz attack, in a VAN, possibly a security VAN, or a VAN with telecommunication cables, could all start pointing to a very worried nervous looking individual if someone could just start putting the pieces together.

We were told in not so many words many years ago a form of cable was used in the attacks, but now it seems to be more specific, and maybe this is the forensic link?

10-18-2015, 08:18 AM#727 billywhizz's Avatar billywhizz  billywhizz is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

Yes its a very interesting piece and remember reading it originally in the other thread which must have been your original post, its definitely worth discussing and is very interesting, regardless if it turns out to be the ranting of a loon.

Yep.

I have tried before, but this is probably the best clue given to his identity if anyone is up for sleuthing, or remembers hearing about this in the news

his other hobbies included Asian baiting and harassing Moslems - he has received coverage in the Malaysian media for this, and DFAT had to assign staff to try and hose down the political fall-out from that.

10-18-2015, 08:23 AM#728 billywhizz's Avatar billywhizz  billywhizz is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

So Terrence J Mclernen is claiming it is a CHUBB Security installer, they usually drive VANS, it looking like a VAN was involved, which also looks to have links to telecom, or phone cable, which is used in security installation, which could tie into the CHUBB van theory that he came out with months before any of these reports...

This throws another variable into the mix, where has judoman worked, has he done security installation, what is his trade?

NC claimed he did night security for "various static government projects" in the big footy thread.

I am going to cater to your irrational one last time. I was living in a house with my girlfriend, dog and cat, and from SS disappearance, untill after Ciara Glennon, I was jn that same house, with that same cat and dog, and for much of it doing 7 to 7 night security, and also protecting TT's van he was restoring, and possibly and morel likely, he dropped in on his way to work van, or even left from there after working on his van, so in a twist of irony, and apart from my girlfriend, he i my bet alibi. How about that!

When quizzed as to what he was securing, the next page he said it was "static on a government project." No idea if typo or what that means.

His main suspect, who was keeping a bedford van in his backyard at the time and was a taxi driver, is also his best alibi.

This is NC - http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...f574c948331e82

10-18-2015, 05:49 PM#729 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

Yes its a very interesting piece and remember reading it originally in the other thread which must have been your original post, its definitely worth discussing and is very interesting, regardless if it turns out to be the ranting of a loon.

The Morey thing bothers me, a highgate suspect magically turns up in investigations years and years down the track, Moreys hunting ground is high gate, no one has proved he was locked up during the time or was not in WA, and especially not in any of the CSK threads, yet a few people are trying to stare the discussion away from him, this despite Con Bayens even most probably mentioning he beleives this guy (Morey) is probably the guy, without risking a libel case against him! This all checks out, I would love to strike him out because it really just leaves Judoman left at this point, or someone else not even in the mix. But a Blitz attack, in a VAN, possibly a security VAN, or a VAN with telecommunication cables, could all start pointing to a very worried nervous looking individual if someone could just start putting the pieces together.

We were told in not so many words many years ago a form of cable was used in the attacks, but now it seems to be more specific, and maybe this is the forensic link?

No one is trying to steer you away from Morey for any underhanded reasons. He looks like a likely suspect but for some reason we all dismissed him. I vaguely recall reading a news article that either said he was in prison or interstate. I remember at the time being disappointed that a seemingly strong suspect was a dead end.

I'll keep searching for the article. In the mean time he's a worthy suspect.

10-18-2015, 08:29 PM#730 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

Quote Originally Posted by billywhizz  View Post

"And as for suspects: a number of people in Perth, by virtue of their odd behaviour, have been extensively investigated, in effect creating a database of information about their activities,” he says.

I ask if they have investigated a particular individual, whom I name.

“No comment,” he says. “You’ll have to talk to Dave Caporn about that.”

Caporn. I am starting to feel as if I am shadow-boxing with a silent partner, a phantom. Lee concedes the individual I have named is known as a character in Perth, that he is a possibility

http://www.news.com.au/news/lost-in-...-1111113619174

Anyone know who this refers to?

Why was this person on Debbie Marshall's radar anyway?

Morey?

10-18-2015, 08:46 PM#731 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

Proof please, this is the problem, people are complaining that there is so mucvh unsubstatiated information, yet no one has actually proved Morey was locked up, and highgate was his hunting spot, and Con Bayens refers to highgate. Hmmm If he was locked up then good we can strike him out, but I am not going off the word of some internet CSK catching ethusiast that has provided nothing substantial to back this up. Is there a news paper article? something? then we can strike him out and move on, otherwise he is most definitely in the mix, what year was he released? How did it tie in with Sara McMahon's murder?

Slow your roll. No one is asking you to take their word for anything. There are 20 years of details, speculation, facts, rumors, suspects, comments and statements related to the CSK case. No one remembers everything perfectly.

I posted about Morey a few weeks ago, dismissing him as a suspect (although I'm not entirely sure why). Just ask for an article or the source if you feel like someone or something is being misrepresented.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12109589

You're right--Morey should remain on the list. I've looked EVERYWHERE for an article stating he's been cleared (or really even considered) for the Claremont murders, but can't find anything.

There are things about his known crimes that don't match, and some profiling issues, but those things are just inferences and definitely don't clear him. Good job recognizing he's still a legitimate suspect.

Judoman

Do I have to give a DNA sample?

The law says that you may be requested to give a DNA sample in certain circumstances. If a DNA sample is requested from you, you can agree (consent) to the request. If you do not consent, you can be required to provide a sample if you:

are suspected of, but have not been charged with, committing a serious offence and a senior officer orders you to give a mouth cell sample or a sample of hair from your head, or a warrant is obtained for a blood sample or a sample of pubic hair to be taken

are charged with a serious offence, or

have been convicted of a serious offence within the last six months (mouth cell sample or hair sample only).

If you are charged with an offence that is not a serious offence then you are not required to give a sample of your DNA. However, you can be required to provide other identifying information like fingerprints and photographs.

If police have asked you for a DNA sample and you are not sure if you have to give a sample, you should get legal advice immediately.

http://www.legalaid.wa.gov.au/Inform...formation.asp

According to WA Legal Aid if Police say you have to give a sample, you have to give a sample (sounds incorrect but WA is the right-winged redneck State) where police and courts have OTT powers.

If they have Judman's DNA and it's correct that police have Karrakatta man's DNA then Judoman is not Karrakatta Man.

If police are telling the truth that they have a forensic link between Karrakatta Man and CSK then we're talking about someone who is off the grid so far.

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10-19-2015, 12:06 AM#733 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Sutton  View Post

Morey?

Probably. Debbie Marshall references Con Bayens in her book so she spoke to him. He no doubt told her about plastic-lined boot man (who we think was Morey). She probably brought it up with police because Bayens had not been told what became of the information.

question: If plastic-lined boot man was Morey then wouldn't have Bayens said in the recent Sunday Night episode "Macro ignored me and it did end up this bloke was later convicted of a violent rape".???

10-19-2015, 01:04 AM#734 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

DNA

Apparently from DNA, experts are able to produce the shape of someone's face and potentially color of hair etc. I saw an article about 2 weeks ago when a journo put it to the test and what they came up with looked remarkably close to the journo;

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/...a433f3125082a1

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc...266864/?no-ist

There's a high chance the police have Karrakatta Man's DNA and if they do in fact have evidence linking Karrakatta Man to the CSK then it's a no-brainer isn't it? It wouldn't be cheap but they're spent so much money and time on this case already, obtaining Karrakatta Man's face will surely only cost a fraction of the total cost?

** On one hand I feel the chances of solving this case are at the highest since I've been looking at it, but on the other hand I feel very sceptical that there is a lonk between Karrakatta and CSK.

10-19-2015, 01:06 AM#735 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/...a433f3125082a1

The National Institute of Forensic Science’s Dr Linzi Wilson-Wilde said police could send DNA samples overseas now but setting up the groundbreaking technology in Australia would take time.

American company ArroGen is offering this service already, determining age, smoker status, caffeine consumption, gender and other factors from the tiniest bodily trace.

Get it done already.

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10-19-2015, 04:07 AM#736 elastic  elastic is offline

New Article ruling out suspects

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...lling-suspect/

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10-19-2015, 04:50 AM#739 elastic  elastic is offline

Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute. Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI. But he hints at High gate, a place Morey was KNOWN to prowl looking for potential victims.

No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.

Sarah McMahon fits the victims profile to a T. She is exactly the same sort of victim you would have expected the CSK to target in every conceivable way. Morey's temptation to execute this kill fits the profile of the CSK. Ill explain why below.

Lets assume Morey killed these victims which everyone suspects he did, but being a master serial killer there is no physical evidence to suggest he actually did the kills, just enormous swaths of circumstantial evidence suggesting he was involved. Moreys known victims had suffered through the use of a cable/rope.. this method of disarming fits with the CSK. The Karrakatta victim had a rope bound around her neck from memory, rope was involved, it is assumed Ciara Glennon had some involvement with rope, then we had an article in the POST some years back identifying a print shop and rope, but now we are being told its 'cable' as the facts become more clear... Whatever Morey chose to tie up his victim, rope/cable, it fits his profile again.

Credit to Sutton for posting this (*Will do some rejigging to show a possible timeline)

1995 - Karrakatta Cemetery rape, Claremont

Jan. 1996 - Sarah Spiers abducted Claremont- still missing (Hidden probably in the bush somewhere)-Was a possible call from the killer suggesting a really well hidden enormous area

June 1996 - Jane Rimmer- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- abattoir worker anyone?)

Mar. 1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe im wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)

Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth, he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background.

Sarah McMahon was rumoured (yes its a rumour) buying Meth from Donald Morey, Donald Morey would have known she wouldn't have told anyone her whereabouts when buying the drugs from Morey, its was an opportunist kill, the heat was back on, so he moved back to killing the street workers where one eventually smashed his head with her feet and escaped over a brick wall whilst he tried to BOUND and GAG her in his car...

Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!

They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes... Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it.

Morey is cool, clam, highly intelligent, A former abattoir worker, a expert at navigating in the bush, took amphetamines so stayed up all night, impotent so may not leave behind his DNA in his semen, used rope or cable to bound and gag his victims, was an expert at Blitz attacks and is possibly the sexual predator/ Con Bayens suspect that has become a major focus of the CSK investigation. No media have ruled him out, no police have ever ruled him out..

 

Billboard of missing Claremont serial killer victim Sarah Spiers.The State Opposition believes the former “chief suspect” as the Claremont serial killer should get compensation after explosive claims that all former suspects had now been cleared.

The Post newspaper reported on Friday about a forensic link between the Claremont murders and an earlier rape case.

That evidence had also helped clear former Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams, who was publicly revealed as a suspect in the late 1990s.

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“If it was not Lance Williams, he would certainly have a clear case for compensation for what he was subjected to, which was years of harassment by police,” Mr Quigley said.

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Mr Williams was subjected to years of intense police scrutiny, including police cars parked outside his home day and night and following his every movement.

His workstation at the Department of Transport was bugged, with one reportedly crashing through the ceiling on to his desk.

And after he agreed to a lie detector test and “failed” it, journalists were tipped off about the outcome to keep pressure on him.

Mr Williams’ family have claimed that police tactics had an enormous impact on his life, resulting in psychiatric treatment on several occasions.

The family also claim police told them in 2008 that they would not be “troubled by them again” but Mr Williams was now reluctant to seek compensation out of fear it could provoke them.

Attorney-General Michael Mischin yesterday dismissed the idea of an inquiry into Mr Williams’ treatment, saying he should lodge a claim through the appropriate channels if he felt he was unfairly targeted.

Mr Mischin said any claim for compensation would be dealt with on its merits and that if someone claimed police acted maliciously towards them, then there could be avenues of redress through the courts and they should seek legal advice.

10-19-2015, 04:09 AM#737 elastic  elastic is offline

So if all the suspects have now been cleared.

Who were the official suspects, we know Lance Williams, we also know Steve Ross, so who was officially a suspect, Peter Weygers, although they raided him based on a psychics thoughts, how keystone can you get?

10-19-2015, 04:49 AM#738 alioop's Avatar alioop  alioop is offline

Hi everyone, i have been asked to advise on how the police can obtain a DNA sample from a suspect.

Here is a link to Western Australian law.

DNA samples

Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed.

So if there are any suspects, they can take a DNA sample from them. I expect they would first get an order from a judge after showing some evidence of why they consider the person a suspect. Of course they could just ask the person first and there would be no need for an order.

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservi...3/Default.aspx

All in my opinion only

10-19-2015, 04:50 AM#739 elastic  elastic is offline

Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute. Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI. But he hints at High gate, a place Morey was KNOWN to prowl looking for potential victims.

No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.

Sarah McMahon fits the victims profile to a T. She is exactly the same sort of victim you would have expected the CSK to target in every conceivable way. Morey's temptation to execute this kill fits the profile of the CSK. Ill explain why below.

Lets assume Morey killed these victims which everyone suspects he did, but being a master serial killer there is no physical evidence to suggest he actually did the kills, just enormous swaths of circumstantial evidence suggesting he was involved. Moreys known victims had suffered through the use of a cable/rope.. this method of disarming fits with the CSK. The Karrakatta victim had a rope bound around her neck from memory, rope was involved, it is assumed Ciara Glennon had some involvement with rope, then we had an article in the POST some years back identifying a print shop and rope, but now we are being told its 'cable' as the facts become more clear... Whatever Morey chose to tie up his victim, rope/cable, it fits his profile again.

Credit to Sutton for posting this (*Will do some rejigging to show a possible timeline):

1995 - Karrakatta Cemetery rape, Claremont

Jan. 1996 - Sarah Spiers abducted Claremont- still missing (Hidden probably in the bush somewhere)-Was a possible call from the killer suggesting a really well hidden enormous area

June 1996 - Jane Rimmer- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- abattoir worker anyone?)

Mar. 1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe im wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)

Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

 

So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth, he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background.

Sarah McMahon was rumoured (yes its a rumour) buying Meth from Donald Morey, Donald Morey would have known she wouldn't have told anyone her whereabouts when buying the drugs from Morey, its was an opportunist kill, the heat was back on, so he moved back to killing the street workers where one eventually smashed his head with her feet and escaped over a brick wall whilst he tried to BOUND and GAG her in his car...

Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!

They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes... Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it.

 

Morey is cool, clam, highly intelligent, A former abattoir worker, a expert at navigating in the bush, took amphetamines so stayed up all night, impotent so may not leave behind his DNA in his semen, used rope or cable to bound and gag his victims, was an expert at Blitz attacks and is possibly the sexual predator/ Con Bayens suspect that has become a major focus of the CSK investigation. No media have ruled him out, no police have ever ruled him out..

10-19-2015, 05:05 AM#740 Parkie  Parkie is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Sutton  View Post

Morey?

Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?

10-19-2015, 05:34 AM#741 Parkie  Parkie is offline

Elastic I`m sorry but truck drivers/ abbatoir workers aren`t usually highly intelligent. He is not the CSK. They might have a link from Karrakatta to CG but imho it will not help if they don`t have the bloke. And especially if he is a long long way from Claremont. And there is always the case of say the possibility of two guys & they didn`t find any DNA of one of them at all.

10-19-2015, 05:42 AM#742 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

Quote Originally Posted by alioop  View Post

Hi everyone, i have been asked to advise on how the police can obtain a DNA sample from a suspect.

Here is a link to Western Australian law.

DNA samples

Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed.

So if there are any suspects, they can take a DNA sample from them. I expect they would first get an order from a judge after showing some evidence of why they consider the person a suspect. Of course they could just ask the person first and there would be no need for an order.

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservi...3/Default.aspx

Thanks for posting a straight forward answer. That is a very permissive statute--DNA can be collected from anyone suspected of a serious crime (with penalty stipulations).

This causes a big problem for my theory, if police actually do have DNA. The articles indicate a forensic link, so it's possible they are referring to fibers or tire impressions or something else.

If police were able to collect DNA from Ciara, then they would have been able to collect from and test against Judoman.

10-19-2015, 06:16 AM#743 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Parkie  View Post

Elastic I`m sorry but truck drivers/ abbatoir workers aren`t usually highly intelligent. He is not the CSK. They might have a link from Karrakatta to CG but imho it will not help if they don`t have the bloke. And especially if he is a long long way from Claremont. And there is always the case of say the possibility of two guys & they didn`t find any DNA of one of them at all.

Well that is a really dumb thing to say. There have been plenty of truck driver serial killers in the USA. Also I wouldn't lump everyone into the same category and call them stupid based on an occupation. There are some incredibly smart people in society who are good at certain things, Morey is a killing machine, he only needs to be intelligent at killing, and he has the nous for it.

also explain what you think Morey was doing prior to 1998? sitting around thinking about being a serial killer?

given Morey's age I very much doubt he only started killing in 1998, he has probably been at this for decades.

10-19-2015, 06:36 AM#744 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Is that billboard new? Or is it from 1996?

10-19-2015, 06:38 AM#745 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Lance Williams

I think the only thing he will be able to get compensation for is Macro leaking his details. They have denied and will deny it but a rational judge will rule that police leaked it.

LW says he doesn't want to sue. That's suspicious in my books.

10-19-2015, 06:43 AM#746 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Sutton  View Post

Thanks for posting a straight forward answer. That is a very permissive statute--DNA can be collected from anyone suspected of a serious crime (with penalty stipulations).

This causes a big problem for my theory, if police actually do have DNA. The articles indicate a forensic link, so it's possible they are referring to fibers or tire impressions or something else.

If police were able to collect DNA from Ciara, then they would have been able to collect from and test against Judoman.

The law may as well be "citizens have no rights because police can take your DNA whenever they feel fit".

In WA, if your house is used for crime, even if you're unaware of it, the courts can seize your house. An enderly couple owned and lived in their home for decades. They bought the house with honest money. They were unaware their 45 year old son was a pot dealer and stash a few pounds in their roof space. He got busted. The Court acknowledged the couple were law abiding and probably didn't know about the drugs. Court seizes their house off them. Another time a woman's ex-husband sexually assaulted some years before in their marital home (now her home). Court seized house.

WA. WTF?

10-19-2015, 06:43 AM#747 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

...So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth, he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background.

Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!

They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes... Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it...

RSBM. You have a good argument for Morey. Here are my 'hold-outs':

1. DNA! If Morey is the CSK, they don't have DNA (see impotence issue below)

2. The behavior pattern isn't right-Morey does a very tidy job abducting, killing and disposing of three very high risk victims. No one sees anything, even though he would seem out-of-place in Claremont and I don't think it would be his natural hunting grounds. But he pulls everything off without a hitch.

His lust temporarily satisfied he holds off while police pressure is at its highest. Morey then makes an obvious disappearance of Sarah Mcmahon. He regresses in his skill and sophistication. Morey then decides to go for sex workers, very low risk victims bc they willingly get in his vehicle. But he lets the situation with one of the girls gets out of hand and everything falls apart.

I guess this is possible, maybe he became manic or he just devolved. Its more than just sloppiness.

Impotence means unable to achieve or sustain an erection. Morey wouldn't be firing anything if he was impotent. Non-secreters do not leave behind DNA (there is brand new science in this, idk what though). Even sterile men ejaculate DNA (unless they are non-secreter). IMO, I'm not an ED expert.

The last part of your post sounds fanciful, but I will have a new admiration for police if it's true. It would explain why the victims' families have never really spoken out against police (idk the attitude there, that might not be acceptable).

10-19-2015, 06:45 AM#748 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

So if all the suspects have now been cleared.

Who were the official suspects, we know Lance Williams, we also know Steve Ross, so who was officially a suspect, Peter Weygers, although they raided him based on a psychics thoughts, how keystone can you get?

Judoman, Weygers, Dixie.

All would have provided DNA and seemingly all are ruled out.

10-19-2015, 06:56 AM#749 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute.

Lots of people though SM was a CSK victim because she was last seen in Claremont. Lots of people also though Hayley Dodd was too. Once the evidence came out about Morey it was obvious be did SM and most people assumed he wasn't the CSK.

Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI.

Whilst I think it's Morey, Bayens gave no indication who he was talking about.

No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.

CIA didn't say knife. They said gun and ammo concealed under front passenger seat.

The rest is a reasonable case. I wonder how highly police rate him?

10-19-2015, 06:57 AM#750 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Parkie  View Post

Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?

Where's the Telstra stuff coming from? The media? Or from this thread?

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     The AWN.bz have been provided information that Sarah McMahon was scared of her life becuase she knew who was involved in the Claremont Serial Killings and have made a written sworn statement which is keen kept in sake keeping with a group who will bring this statement out to the public at the appropriate time..
Thus Sarah McMahon had every reason to be scares of being murdered to silence her, or completely disappear to another country with a new identity and a new name .... the statement the Sarah McMahon that is in safe keeping with copiers with various different people is the key to helping the Western Australian Police and the Western Australian People and the parents and relations of the murder victims have closure ..... Sarah's statement high profile and powerful people being involved in the Claremont Serial Killings and abductions .. when the names are released  the Western Australian Police and the Western Australian People and the parents and relations of the murder victims have closure will be in a complete state of shock  ...... the truth always comes out in the end .... the Truth is always triumphant ....  it would  be better for all those involved which are named in the hidden statement to come forward  and say sorry rather than them have to be named and exposed form the statement ... it is not known is Sarah McMahon has disappeared or was murdered to silence her ....however is it hoped that Sarah McMcMahon is alive and well and living is another country ...... and there would be no pint in anyone trying to cause any harm to Sarah McMahon is this very brave girl is still alive, because she statement has already been written and sworn and a  number of original copied of Sarah McMahon's sworn statement are in sale hands with various people ... which can be released at any time  ... if and when the time is right ....
What every one thinks about Donald Morey and whether he is telling the truth and what happened to Sarah McMahon ...there is no doubt that Donald Morey told the truth when he said at the inquest into the disappearance of Sarah Mahon ...that Sarah McMahon was in extreme danger in Perth and in fact anywhere in Australia because he knew too much .... and if it was revealed where Sarah McMahon was and what name she was under now ...assuming that Sarah McMahon is still alive ... the would put Sarah McMahon's life in extreme danger from the powerful who that Sarah McMahon will knows where involved on various levels in the Claremont Serial Killings and Abductions...

Morey claimed he never saw Ms McMahon the day she vanished, but had helped her formulate a plan to flee the country illegally.

"She's overseas, she's alive and she has two children," he said.

"I have been in contact with Sarah basically ever since."

If you want to put her life in danger you f..king wear it.

But he refused to say where Ms McMahon was living, claiming he was protecting her and her children from danger by not revealing her whereabouts.

                                  'Sarah's still alive, living overseas'_ Morey

                                                                                                                                 Rania Spooner

                                                                   http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/sarahs-still-alive-living-overseas-morey-20121214-2beir.html

                                                                                                       
                        Sarah McMahon was 20 when she was last seen in November, 2000

 convicted prisoner told an inquest into the disappearance of Perth woman Sarah McMahon more than a decade ago she's still alive and living overseas with two children.

The last confirmed sighting of Ms McMahon, then 20 years old, was on November 8, 2000.

She was seen driving away from her Claremont workplace while talking on the telephone, the inquest into her suspected death heard in Perth this week.

Before leaving work she had mentioned she was going to "see a bloke" in the Bassendean area that afternoon, the Coroner's Court heard.

The last person she took a call from was Donald Morey, a man 25 years her senior, who has since been convicted of trying to strangle a prostitute to death in 2003.

Currently serving 13 years' jail for the attempted murder, Morey, now 57 and in poor health due to a heart condition, appeared at the Perth inquest into Ms McMahon's suspected death on Friday.

According to a work log he kept for his job with a trucking company at the time, Morey had been cleaning and refuelling trucks at his workplace when Ms McMahon "disappeared".

But Counsel Assisting the Coroner Philip Urquhart accused Morey of fabricating the entry.

Mr Urquhart said there was no record of him using his fuel card, while phone tower records placed his mobile near the Bassendean area that afternoon.

Morey claimed he never saw Ms McMahon the day she vanished, but had helped her formulate a plan to flee the country illegally.

"She's overseas, she's alive and she has two children," he said.

"I have been in contact with Sarah basically ever since."

If you want to put her life in danger you f..king wear it.

But he refused to say where Ms McMahon was living, claiming he was protecting her and her children from danger by not revealing her whereabouts.

Morey would also not say how he has been communicating with Ms McMahon after he was imprisoned in 2005, for fear of being "locked up in maximum security indefinitely".

"Do not put her life in danger," he told Mr Urquhart when questioned about where Ms McMahon was and how she left the country.

Morey also maintained his innocence in relation to the attempted murder conviction, which he suggested he'd been set up for because of Ms McMahon's "disappearance".

"It was Sarah's decision to leave - not mine," he said.

Sarah's family have not heard from her in 12 years.

Morey met Ms McMahon at her older sister's house months before she disappeared and maintained there was never a sexual relationship between the pair.

"She could confide in me," he said. "We just talked".

Ms McMahon had intended to call her mother before she left, but had lost her phone, Morey told the inquest.

He said he was unable to contact her for more than a month after she left but sent her text messages and repeatedly tried to call.

"All I can tell you is I sent a hell of a lot of text messages," he said.

But Mr Urquhart told the Coroner there were no records of Morey trying to contact Ms McMahon by phone after November 8, 2000.

Morey then refused to answer any further questions and accused Mr Urquhart of "winding" him up when he had a "crook heart".

"Mr Morey it seems to me you just don't want to answer the hard questions," Mr Urquhart said.

Morey requested a medic and was taken back into lockup.

"If you want to put her life in danger you f..king wear it," he said.

Ms McMahon's sister Amanda Smith giving evidence earlier in the week described Morey as "creepy" and "too interested" in her younger sister.

The inquest has also heard evidence of a black bag found in Morey's bedroom after Ms McMahon's disappearance, which according to three witnesses contained gaffer tape, rope, knives and graphic pornographic magazines which involved fake corpses in compromising positions.

Morey accepted he had a black bag he used to carry his lunch in for work, but rejected ever buying the pornographic material.

"Common sense tells you I'm not into that sort of garbage for starters," he said.

"Man, if I'm supposed to be this mad serial killer running around, why would I be carrying this bag around with me."

The state coroner Alastair Hope will hand down his findings on January 17. It is not known whether they would involve recommendations to the DPP.

western australia

Coroner says missing woman Sarah McMahon was murder victim

http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/coroner-says-missing-woman-sarah-mcmahon-was-murder-victim/news-story/d64ef5cdd62f86daf5f6034797190448

                          

                                                                                                                                                                    Sarah McMahon

JANUARY 18, 2013 Angie RaphaelAAP

THE West Australian coroner has found that a 20-year-old woman missing for more than 12 years was a victim of a homicide, but has refused to rule on whether a suspect in the case was involved in the crime.

Sarah Anne McMahon disappeared on November 8, 2000 after telling a colleague she was meeting a friend at 5.30pm and then failing to pick up her sister at 8.30pm that evening.

Donald Victor Morey, 57, has long been considered a suspect in her disappearance and was the last person to speak to Ms McMahon before she disappeared.

After the initial police investigation drew a blank, a further investigation was launched after Morey was convicted of the attempted murder of a Perth prostitute in 2004 and sentenced to 13 years in prison.

He had also been a person of interest in the death of another prostitute the previous year.

However, police were again unable to substantiate enough evidence against Morey, who has consistently denied any involvement in Ms McMahon's disappearance.

A cold case review of both investigations was launched last year and Morey said he was still in contact with Ms McMahon, who he claimed was living in Canada with her two children.

Coroner Alastair Hope said on Thursday that because Ms McMahon had not contacted her loved ones in more than 12 years, he was confident she was dead.

"The circumstances in which Ms McMahon disappeared are sinister and I have confidently been able to exclude the possibility that she died by way of natural causes, accident or suicide,'' he said.

"In my view, the evidence points overwhelmingly to the proposition that she died by way of unlawful homicide.''

Mr Hope said there was no evidence that Ms McMahon left the country and there were no records held in Medicare, Centrelink, the Australian Taxation Office, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade or her bank that would suggest that she was alive in Australia after that time.

A key piece of evidence examined at the inquest was a statement from Natasha Tracy-Ann Kendrick, dated November 11, 2011.

In her statement, Ms Kendrick said she walked into Morey's room and saw a bloodied naked girl on the bed with an "old fashioned rope'' around her neck.

Ms Kendrick claimed that she later saw Morey carrying ``something wrapped in a quilt over his left shoulder'' and said she knew it was McMahon's body.

However, Mr Hope noted that police were unable to find evidence to corroborate her account.

He said there was also evidence capable of supporting a conclusion that Morey lied to police about his movements on November 8, 2000 and falsified documents to support those lies.

"It is always possible that some further evidence may come to light which could result in criminal charges being laid at some later date,'' he said.

"In that context, I do not propose to make any finding in relation to Mr Morey's involvement.''

Originally published as Missing woman 'a murder victim'

DECEMBER 14 2012

McMahon mystery deepens as key statement is recanted

 Rania Spooner

 The truth of what happened to 20-year-old Sarah McMahon, who vanished more than a decade ago, appears more elusive than ever after a key witness into her suspected death recanted part of a crucial statement she allegedly told police last year.

Following three police investigations spanning 12 years, an inquest was launched in Perth this week in an attempt to uncover more information about what happened to Ms McMahon.

Natasha Tracey-Ann Kendrick leaves court. 

The special crime squad of the WA Police force, tasked with investigating unsolved cases, finally appeared to have unearthed new information in November 2011.A former prostitute, who had already been interviewed twice over the disappearance, changed her version of what happened the night Ms McMahon disappeared in November 2000.Natasha Tracey-Ann Kendrick, now 50, who at the time believed she was dying from liver failure, allegedly told police she had been called to a friend's house that night and saw the body of a woman she believed was Ms McMahon.

The pair had met some weeks earlier at the same house where her friend - the homeowner - had taken on a lodger who would later be convicted of attempted murder over an unrelated case, the Coroner's Court heard.Ms McMahon who lived with her family in Parkerville in Perth's Hills, was last seen leaving her Claremont workplace on November 8, 2000.She had enrolled in a Bachelor of Arts at Murdoch University that year but by September had suspended her studies as she battled with depression and drug use, her sister Amanda Smith told the inquest.

She was also dealing with a difficult break-up, according to her sister.Through the church where her parents were long-standing members Ms McMahon had secured a part-time job working in administration - she disappeared after finishing her second shift.As she drove away from work, the last phone call Ms McMahon ever answered was from Donald Morey - a man 25 years older her senior who has since been convicted of attempting to strangle a prostitute to death, the inquest heard,At the time, Morey was living with his boss Gareth Allen in Marangaroo - although he had a home in Chidlow he shared with this de facto partner on the weekends, the Coroner's Court heard.In the statement Ms Kendrick recanted on Thursday, she had claimed she helped clean up Mr Allen's house after seeing a woman's body in Morey's room the night of Ms McMahon's disappearance.

Despite being played a secretly recorded conversation with her brother taken the day after she gave her statement in which she says her "conscience is clear" and she's "done something positive", she now maintains she never saw a body.

Ms Kendrick told the Coroner's Court she had been on drugs, and was "scared" and "confused" when she gave the statement to police last year.In his evidence, Mr Allen described the entire statement as "lies" and offered to do a lie detector test to prove he never called Ms Kendrick to his house that night and that there was never a body.He also maintains he wasn't even at home."I had it read to me by the coppers and I laughed ," Mr Allen said of the statement."I told them 'that's a beautiful story but it ain't true' "He said Morey took Ms McMahon and her sister over to Mr Allen's house on one occasion before her disappearance and had referred to her as "his new girl," he told the court.The afternoon Ms McMahon disappeared, Morey had asked to borrow a truck from Mr Allen to go and see "Sarah", Mr Allen said."That's who I presumed it was - I'm pretty sure he said Sarah or the young girl," he said."I imagine he hoped for sex."Knowing him - without a doubt."But Mr Allen maintained he never saw Ms McMahon and could not say whether the truck was returned that night.Several months after Ms McMahon's disappearance, Mr Allen's wife, Marta Allen, had contacted police about a black bag that belonged to Morey, which was discovered when he was in hospital for chest pains in March 2001, the Coroner's Court heard.Mr Allen said the bag contained graphic pornography involving people "dressed up like they were dead" that he "could not even look at".It also contained gaffer tape, rope and knives, he said."Marta came to me and said I need to go to the police and I told her to follow her heart," he said.But before the police came to look at the bag - days later - Morey's partner had come and taken it away, he said.

Morey, who is currently serving 13 years jail for attempted murder, is expected to give evidence on Friday.He has consistently denied any knowledge of what happened to Ms McMahon. The inquest continues.

             Violent attacker is suspect in murders

                                                                          LUKE ELIOT - Monday, November 07, 2011

                                                          https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/violent-attacker-is-suspect-in-murders-ng-ya-141907

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

Donald Morey

A street prostitute who narrowly survived a brutal bashing at the hands of a sexual deviant who is suspected of being involved in two unsolved suspected murders says she is still haunted by the chilling attack and believes her assailant may have killed other women.

In her first media interview since the December 2003 attack, the woman, who did not want her name published, described crawling through a swamp and scaling a 2.4m high concrete wall in a bid to escape.

"I know there are other girls who aren't as lucky as I was," the woman said.

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

In handing down a 13-year jail term, Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Miller accepted the prosecutor's submission that there was no sexual motive to Morey's crime as he was impotent at the time.

"This woman was a random target and . . . it was predatory conduct on your part," Justice Miller said. "It was a premeditated offence, that you planned to take her to a remote area and it was not the case that you voluntarily desisted from what you were doing."

Morey's appeals were dismissed and he remains behind bars.

He is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003, and to the disappearance of Sarah McMahon, a 20-year-old Parkerville woman who has not been seen leaving her Claremont workplace exactly 11 years ago today. Her vehicle was found at Swan District Hospital. Morey denies involvement in both cases but admits he knew Ms McMahon.

Ms Ugle's body was found in April 2003 near Mundaring Weir - a short distance from Morey's Chidlow home and from the Helena Valley street where he took his December 2003 victim. The two prostitutes knew each other.

"We don't think it is going to happen to us but I didn't put two and two together," the prostitute who escaped said.

"I'm not a dumb girl. I have good instincts and he was good enough to make me go against my instincts."

She said she felt uneasy getting into Morey's car that night in December 2003 but accepted $900 to have sex with him.

"I think he might have panicked because I realised he was going around in circles," she said.

"He calmly pulled his car over to the side of the road and he already had rope wrapped around his hand when he turned his car off."

Morey tried to place the rope over the woman's neck but she put her back against the passenger door and repeatedly kicked him.

"I fell out backwards and hit the kerb with my back," she said.

"He dived out over the top of me and I got him in the face with my feet. I think that dazed him a little bit. I crawled to the back of the car and he followed me.

"He was punching into me for about 15 minutes and I was screaming. I climbed on to the back of his car . . . to try not to let him get me back into the car again."

The woman managed to climb a high wall and stumble through a swampy area.

"I was screaming," she said. Morey eventually got back in his car and drove off.

The woman said the attack changed her life.

"I couldn't walk out in the street at night," she said.

"If I see someone who looks like him I jump a little, even though I know he is in jail."

Missing and Murdered

http://missingandmurderedaustralia.blogspot.ie/2011/06/claremont-timeline.html

SATURDAY, JUNE 4, 2011

Over the last 25 years in Western Australia there has been multiple incidences of young women being attacked, murdered or ...vanishing. With several attacks put down to the Claremont Serial Killer (CSK).

A 5km section of Stirling Hwy running through Claremont, Cottesloe and Mosman Park has seen many attacks.

 Statistically far too many attacks and with the Pamela Lawrence murder back in the unsolved column and The Sharon Mason murder conviction looking less and less safe the statistics only seem likely to get worse.

1988 June 20 Julie Cutler was last seen leaving the Parmelia Hilton Hotel Perth on St Georges Terrace at 12.30am after a staff function.
 Julie is not seen again. Her car is found 2 days later in the sea off Cottesloe Beach.

1994 Jan 1 woman driving home from Club Bay View fights off man who dragged her from her car and tried to rape her near the Claremont subway

1994 May 23 Pamela Lawrence is murdered at her shop in Mosman Park. Andrew Mark Mallard is wrongfully convicted of her murder in 1995.
He is ultimately cleared...
some 12 years later 1994 Oct A 31-year-old woman breaks her ankle when she leaps from a speeding taxi on Princess Road after the driver and another man try to attack her.

1995 Feb 12 Teenager abducted in Rowe Park, tied with electrical flex and raped at Karrakatta Cemetery.

1996 Jan 27 Sarah Spiers 18, spends the evening with friends at Club Bay View. At 2.06am, she calls taxi from a Claremont phone box. When the taxi arrives she has gone and is not seen again.

1996 Feb Police confirm they have received reports of bogus taxis in Perth.
1996 Mar 3 A 21-year-old woman is bashed and indecently assaulted in Church Lane behind Club Bay View.

1996 Jun 9 At 12.15am Jane Rimmer is last seen by four friends outside the Continental Hotel after deciding not to share a taxi home. 1996 July 1 Police issue questionnaires to 100 suspects.

1996 Aug 3 Rimmer's naked body is found in bush at semi-rural Wellard, 35km south of Perth, lightly covered with sticks and twigs a few metres off road. Police comb bush, divers search lakes.

 1996 Aug 31 More than 35 taxi drivers are sacked during August after new checks reveal histories of violence or perversion.

The search for overseas convictions eventually leads to 78drivers losing their licences. 1997 Mar 14 Ciara Glennon farewells friends outside Continental Hotel about midnight. 1997 Mar 16 Police say they fear a serial killer is on the loose, release year-old photo of Glennon with dark, curly hair.

1997 Mar 17 State Government announces $250,000 reward for information. 1997 Mar 18 Denis Glennon makes an emotional appeal for help from the public. "Clara's alive - we believe that," he says. Police say more than 3,000 people have come forward with information. 1997 Mar 19 Police release up-to-date photo of Glennon, showing much lighter hair. 1997 April 3 Glennon's body found in bush north of Perth.

2000 November 8 Sarah Anne McMahon, finishes her shift at a Claremont retail store. Leaves work and fails to make it home.

Posted by James Brian 

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AnonymousDecember 4, 2011 at 3:31 PM

There is an error with a name. Should be Sarah Anne McMahon (not Marie)
You also might want to include [in your excellent timelien] the death of Brigitta Dickens on 18/7/1994. Her then boyfriend Simon Rochford was convicted of her murder. He was also named as the 'new' suspect regarding Pamela Lawrence's murder. He committed suicide in prison when this info was released to the press. It is believed forensic fingerprint evidence found at the Lawrence scene linked Rochford there. It so happened that Rochford and Mallard shared a cell in Albany Prison at one stage.

AnonymousJune 7, 2012 at 8:12 AM

I think the Birnies murdered Sharon Mason. They picked up 2 of their victims on Stirling Hwy and another somewhere in Nedlands. Sharon Mason disappeared from Mosman Park which in on Stirling Hwy. Mason was murdered 3 years before the other known Birnie murders and I suspect he murdered others in the period between.

AnonymousJuly 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

The Parmelia Hilton is on Mount Street Perth not St George's Tce.

You could well be correct about Birnies but there is other compelling evidence that needs to be thoroughly investigated. Arthur Boycott Greer is definitely not responsible.

A witness in the Mason case has stated Mason was in Mount Street Perth the afternoon of her disappearance.

AnonymousJuly 10, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Does anyone know the date of birth for Kerry Turner and Kerryn Tate please?

AnonymousNovember 15, 2013 at 8:43 AM

was any of the victims the owner/s of blavk satin like material jacket, seiko watch, silver ring with rope pattern.

AnonymousNovember 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM

why do you ask?

http://casefilepodcast.com/claremont/

The city of Perth is the capital of Western Australia. Adelaide is the closest city, which is a 4-hour flight away.

Claremont is an upmarket, ritzy suburb of Perth. It is a place of trendy bars, nightclubs, and cafes. A popular place with the young crowd. A place where you went to have fun. People would tell you that nothing bad could ever happen in Claremont.
That all changed on Friday the 26th of January, 1996.

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-australian-womens-weekly/20160601/281513635356758

CLAREMONT HORROR

On the trail of a serial killer

The Australian Women's Weekly - 1 Jun 2016

The Perth suburb of Claremont will forever be tarnished as the hunting ground of the unknown killer.

This year marks the 20th anniversary of the unsolved Claremont serial killings. Yet, as an FBI-trained criminal profiler tells Debi Marshall, these murders are solvable – and the key is in some grainy TV footage.

HER NAKED, BADLY decomposed body, exposed to nature’s vagaries for 54 long days, was pitiful in death. Dumped in a lonely roadside verge 40 kilometres south of Perth, police immediately knew the identity of this young, blonde woman: 23-year-old childcare worker Jane Rimmer, who had disappeared on June 9, 1996, from an upmarket nightclub in the salubrious suburb of Claremont.

Five months before Jane’s abduction, on Australia Day, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers had also disappeared from the same area, after partying in Claremont. The nightmare would continue when the body of vivacious 27-year-old lawyer Ciara Glennon, who also disappeared from Claremont, on March 15, 1997, was found 18 days later hidden in bushland north of Perth.

For 20 years, the Claremont serial killer has remained an enigma, his motives and identity unknown. Despite an avalanche of information from members of the public terri ed he would strike again and the spotlight beamed on some wellpublicised suspects, police have failed to make any breakthroughs. The investigation has earned a reputation as being the longest, most expensive and unsolved murder enquiry in Australian history.

Yet while criminal pro lers have examined the cases, their ndings have mostly been kept from the public; a fact, according to former NSW police detective Kris Illingsworth, who has extensive FBI training in criminal pro ling, that is one of the key reasons why the murders remain unsolved.

“On stalled investigations, you rely on the public’s help,” she says. “I hope someone will come forward now if they recognise anyone from this pro le.”

Tall and softly spoken, Kris, who retired in 2008 and now runs her own company, Behavioural Trace Investigations, has seen the worst of humanity. An analyst on the notorious Milat backpacker serial killings, she was also a detective on the Granny Killer serial murders. In her 25-year career, she worked on around 300 murders and 500 sexual assaults.

Kris went to the abduction and disposal sites in Perth and is blunt in her assessment of the time it took police to release CCTV footage of Jane Rimmer standing outside the Continental Hotel the night she was abducted. “They waited 12 years after her murder to show it to the public,” she says, with dismay. “That vision should have been released at the time. It’s Jane’s last sighting and she is meeting an unidenti ed man. Without a doubt, this footage of Jane Rimmer is the key to it all.”

A sensitive, fun-loving dreamer who lacked self-esteem, Jane was desperate to nd love, friends say. On that fateful Queen’s Birthday long weekend, she was out drinking with friends, starting at the trendy Ocean Beach Hotel (OBH) in Cottesloe, before moving to the Continental Hotel.

“About 11.40pm, the group left the Conti to go home,” Kris says. “But Jane suddenly announced she wanted to hang around the hotel a bit longer. Her friends assumed she wanted to meet someone for the night. It appears the meeting with the man in the CCTV footage was prearranged – but when and with whom? And why did she choose to keep this rendezvous a secret?”

Kris runs through the haunting black and white CCTV footage of Jane taken as she waited outside the Continental. “The rst we see of Jane is at 11.58pm, standing alone and facing the street,” she says. “She is obviously waiting for someone. Then, right on midnight, a man walks straight up to her. We only see the back of him for a second, but that brief vision tells us volumes about him. He has straight, short, dark brown or black hair. He is taller than Jane, well dressed with a medium build and muscular upper torso, which suggests tness. He probably presents similarly today, although perhaps now he has greying hair. He would be [aged] around 47 to 55 now.

“When he is about a metre from her, he raises both palms upward in a friendly gesture and Jane raises her head and gives him a radiant smile. She is clearly delighted to see him.”

Kris says their mutual body language strongly indicates that they were not strangers. “When the camera changes to Jane 28 seconds later, the man is no longer there,” she says. “But Jane is, for another three minutes. Now, she has turned to face oncoming traf c. It is more than probable that he has gone to get his car and she is now waiting for a lift from him.”

At 12.04am, Jane looks at her watch. When the camera changes back to her a minute later, she is gone. Eight weeks later, horri ed passers-by discovered Jane – who had dreamed only of marrying and having children – when they were strolling to pick wild owers.

In the days after Jane’s disappearance, police identi ed all 700 patrons who were at the Continental Hotel that night, all, that is, except one person.

“No one was able to identify the man who approached Jane,” Kris says. “Tellingly, he didn’t come forward to identity himself, either. It is vital to establish a timeline for Jane’s movements for the days before she disappeared. Her killer will be in there.”

WHO IS HE? Jane’s distraught mother, Jenny, now in her 60s and in very poor health, did not recognise the man, whom police describe as a “person of interest”, when she was shown the video shortly after her daughter disappeared. She is adamant the decision to withhold it from the public for so long in order to enhance the quality of the footage and because they “didn’t want to narrow the focus of the enquiry” was wrong.

“On that night, I shared a quick drink with Janie at the hotel where I worked before she went off to party with her friends. My last words to her were, ‘Be careful. Be happy. Stay safe’.”

The months following Jane’s disappearance are a blur of painful memories and the weeks following the discovery of her body so agonising that Jenny surrendered to a foetal position, silently screaming and unable to face the world. Jenny’s beloved husband of 42 years, Trevor, died in 2008, ravaged by cancer and something less de nable, unbearable heartache.

“No one can begin to imagine the grief he endured and which I continue to go through,” Jenny says. “Losing a child is like losing a part of yourself. Jane was so full of love and laughter. In my dreams, she returns to me, smiling. In my dreams, she never grows up.”

Kris believes Jane’s nakedness reveals this was de nitely a sexually motivated homicide, but that they weren’t in a close relationship.

“Jane willingly got into his vehicle and was prepared to go to another location with him, most likely for a consensual sexual encounter. But the post-mortem showed that, most likely, her throat had been cut, but there was no property found with her body. Did anyone nd items of clothing around that time that they couldn’t identify?”

Like Jane, Sarah Spiers – a familyoriented, country girl – had also been drinking with friends at the OBH before moving to Club Bayview in Claremont. Around 1.30am, Sarah told friends she was leaving to get a taxi home and walked, alone, to a public telephone box at a deserted commercial area near the intersection of Stirling Highway. “About the time Sarah made that taxi call, a car carrying three young men stopped at a red light at the intersection of Stirling Highway,” Kris says. “At the same time, they noticed car headlights travelling behind them towards the intersection, but they decided that the girl [Sarah] was all right. They drove off, but the car behind did not go through the intersection.”

This was to be the last sighting of Sarah. She had called the cab at 2.06am. When it arrived, three minutes later, she was gone. “Sarah would have known very quickly that she was in danger,” Kris says. Sarah Spiers’ body has never been found.

WHOEVER KILLED THE girls had the social and verbal skills to ingratiate himself with them. “He has the gift of the gab and the know-how to quickly assess a situation, to be able to lure the girls into his car,” Kris says. “In a social situation, he is seen, but not seen. He ts in. He belongs. Did Sarah take a calculated, ultimately tragic risk to get into the car, unsure of how long the taxi would take and perhaps nervous about seeing a carload of young men drive by? Had she seen the driver of the car earlier that evening and felt comfortable with him?”

Ciara Glennon, a feisty, intelligent beauty, had just returned to Perth after 12 months overseas. “She was a person who would assert herself and, if in danger, likely struggle and ght hard,” Kris says. Tired, Ciara also left her friends after drinking at the Continental Hotel on March 14. Sadly, she ignored a warning from witnesses to be careful as she strode along the Stirling Highway and was later seen leaning into a light-coloured car and talking to the driver.

“Did she also take a calculated risk to get in with the driver so she could get home quickly?” Kris asks. “Had she met him before, perhaps even at the Conti that night, or had he stalked her as she left alone?”

When the witnesses looked back at Ciara, the car was gone – and so had she. Her body was found almost three weeks later, fully clothed, about 60 kilometres north of Claremont – the exact opposite direction to Jane. Like Jane, Ciara’s post-mortem suggested her throat had been cut. “He may have sustained injuries that night as Ciara struggled against him. Does anyone remember seeing someone with unusual injuries at that time?”

Kris says the killer’s method of approach says a lot about him. “He conned and lured these women, and his verbal and social skills would transfer to his employment. He works with customers, such as in sales or in a bar as a shift worker. The meeting time – midnight – with Jane suggests he has asked her to wait for him as he had a prior engagement. And he has gone for type – attractive, intelligent, young blonde women.”

“Sarah would have known very quickly that she was in danger.”

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2 P.51

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page51

 

The coroner's report implicates Morey in Sarah's murder. He was her last known contact (he called her mobile) on the evening that she disappeared. He stated that she had left the country and was still in contact with him via phone and text after she disappeared, but he could not provide any evidence to corroborate that story. Police also found no evidence of phone records indicating he had contact with her after she disappeared.

Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime.

 

10-19-2015, 07:38 AM#751 Parkie  Parkie is offline

Ok, They have DNA from Karrakatta. Maybe he didn`t care cause of a little while after this case and after the main 3 he quit his employment & nicked off overseas cause he saw DNA testing was coming. Maybe he could not risk being still in this town. Is he responsible for the skirt ripping/taking & head bashing in the lane behind Hungry Jacks? This shows the not so nice guy she was chatting up at the pub but a violent offender for sure.The attack at Coles Loading dock? The fleeing of a taxi with the woman getting a broken ankle? The Davies Road attack & lo & behold the Now linked Karrakatta case? All a bit close to Claremont IMHO. His home base for a spell?

10-19-2015, 07:43 AM#752 drpath  drpath is offline

I refer here to the coroner's report on Sarah McMahon's disappearance and suspected death, as posted by someone earlier in the thread (forgive me for forgetting who shared the link).

The coroner's report implicates Morey in Sarah's murder. He was her last known contact (he called her mobile) on the evening that she disappeared. He stated that she had left the country and was still in contact with him via phone and text after she disappeared, but he could not provide any evidence to corroborate that story. Police also found no evidence of phone records indicating he had contact with her after she disappeared.

Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime.

The CSK is meticulously organised. His crimes had no known witnesses. He was careful, precise. He enjoys killing. The cemetery rape was committed by one individual and there is a forensic link to Ciara Glennon's murder. Sarah McMahon's murder could not be more different from the known CSK crimes. I don't think that the CSK would risk getting caught or want his crimes to be witnessed. The CSK likes his privacy. I don't believe that Sarah McMahon's murder was a CSK kill, and I don't believe that Morey is/was the Claremont Serial Killer. I think that the Claremont Serial Killer is unknown to the police at this stage.

10-19-2015, 07:48 AM#753 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post

Judoman, Weygers, Dixie.

All would have provided DNA and seemingly all are ruled out.

So when was Judoman officially made a suspect?

We know from the CIA episode that he is, they mention he is a 'martial arts expert from a wealthy English (Or do they say 'British') Family' But when have the Police ever bothered to make it public?

We know Steve Ross was on the radar early on, and then Weygers, and ofcourse Lance Williams... They were official!

Then we had Dixie, positively ruled out.

They had a last ditch effort to get Weygers using a psychics word before disbanding their efforts against him and basically ruling him out, Steve Ross hasnt seemed on the radar since. This was around the time of Moreys arrest so they obviously wanted one last attempt to see what their man had before they turned their focus from Weygers and Ross to Judoman and Possibly Morey.

They gave up on Lance a while back, I think it was 2007? around the time of the CIA episode production, so they knew then their focus had shifted entirely.

The Police as far as I am aware have not official announced Judoman or the Sexual Predator/Con Bayens possible POI so this is something the documenatry crew unofficially revealed possibly to scare the two POI's

Does anyone have anything substantial for Judoman so we can see how he measures up to Morey?

10-19-2015, 07:59 AM#754 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

I believe Judoman appeared on the radar in the lead up to the CIA episode as that episode was built around him. So maybe 2007/2008-ish at a guess. They would have likely obtained his DNA.

If they have DNA from the Karrakatta rape then god-damn send it off so a facial profile can be developed. My gut feeling is this is nothing but a police strategy to try and lure the CSK out.

10-19-2015, 08:07 AM#755 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by drpath  View Post

I refer here to the coroner's report on Sarah McMahon's disappearance and suspected death, as posted by someone earlier in the thread (forgive me for forgetting who shared the link).

The coroner's report implicates Morey in Sarah's murder. He was her last known contact (he called her mobile) on the evening that she disappeared. He stated that she had left the country and was still in contact with him via phone and text after she disappeared, but he could not provide any evidence to corroborate that story. Police also found no evidence of phone records indicating he had contact with her after she disappeared.

Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime.

The CSK is meticulously organised. His crimes had no known witnesses. He was careful, precise. He enjoys killing. The cemetery rape was committed by one individual and there is a forensic link to Ciara Glennon's murder. Sarah McMahon's murder could not be more different from the known CSK crimes. I don't think that the CSK would risk getting caught or want his crimes to be witnessed. The CSK likes his privacy. I don't believe that Sarah McMahon's murder was a CSK kill, and I don't believe that Morey is/was the Claremont Serial Killer. I think that the Claremont Serial Killer is unknown to the police at this stage.

Yeah but that is all specualtive and really doesnt answer anything. Anyone can change their MO etc Look at Richard Dorrough, obviously a smart killer, he managed to get off two suspicious cases and attempt to mow a person down with his car and barely spent any time in Prison for numerous killings... He was sloppy between kills and used a car.

 

Now back to the CSK, a cemetery rapist hiding in the bushes, doesn't sound that meticulous, seems more like bad police work than a super human serial killer... Taking those bodies to those dump sites would have been minimal effort... He left the bodies in the open...

 

Now back to Sarah McMahon and Sarah Spiers, I quite often confuse the two when I see them in articles, there is no way he chose a particular type of 'looking' female, given all the victims different body shapes he took the first obvious target, an alone woman, bungled them into a car in a Blitz attack with no one round but a bunch of drunks, bound them with cord or rope, possibly choked them unconscious and then stabbed them senseless in a rural spot where blood would easily wash away if it rained or would be hard to find, and then dumped the body somewhere close to the kill spot.. What the girls looked like is irrelavent, a girl alone was the target.

 

Now it is becoming pretty obvious that if the Police had poured the right resources into the Karrakatta rape in 1995 then the whole thing would be 'case closed' but they didn't, just like when Dixie raped the asian student, they didn't bother to DNA test him and see if it was connected, then they deported him, the police back then were below average at best, everyone suspected a superhuman super intelligent sophisticated serial killer, rather than just think logically about the case. Its just some dude abducting girls alone with some rope, bundling them into the back of a car, he already made the massive mistake of allowing his rape victim to escape, so his intelligence begs the question, he made his mistake straight away, but got away with it, he refined himself and had some successful kills, that is our serial killer.

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I recon DrPath is way on the ball that any of you. Mr. M is not involved & SMM is not a victim of the CSK. Elastic I see, is starting to become wise in DRPaths thoughts. The Police have all along said SMM case is not linked to CSK. SMM car, phone, witnesses to her travels are all apparent. Did the CSK leave anything at the scenes? My bet is 98% not.

10-19-2015, 08:46 AM#757 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Parkie  View Post

I recon DrPath is way on the ball that any of you. Mr. M is not involved & SMM is not a victim of the CSK. Elastic I see, is starting to become wise in DRPaths thoughts. The Police have all along said SMM case is not linked to CSK. SMM car, phone, witnesses to her travels are all apparent. Did the CSK leave anything at the scenes? My bet is 98% not.

You have no substantial proof he is not, but you insist on ruling him out...

What I find laughable is this:

Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime.

The CSK is meticulously organised. His crimes had no known witnesses. He was careful, precise. He enjoys killing. The cemetery rape was committed by one individual and there is a forensic link to Ciara Glennon's murder. Sarah McMahon's murder could not be more different from the known CSK crimes. I don't think that the CSK would risk getting caught or want his crimes to be witnessed. The CSK likes his privacy. I don't believe that Sarah McMahon's murder was a CSK kill, and I don't believe that Morey is/was the Claremont Serial Killer. I think that the Claremont Serial Killer is unknown to the police at this stage.

So he is precise and highly 'skilled', yet his bungles people into VAN's or Vehicles with cord and rapes them in cemetery's, letting them escape, and almost getting himself 'caught' by trying to have sex with them at a CEMETARY!, yet he is thought of as being some meticulously organised individual. How sloppy did he have to be, he could have been caught because he attempted to'rape' before he killed, obviously realized what a massive mistake this was and refined himself to bypass the rape and go straight for the kill the next time, because at the end of the day the kill is his fantasy, not the rape.

With this sort of thought process its no wonder 20 years have passed.

I wonder what sort of individual hides around looking for woman to rape late at night and has the time to dump their bodies before day break? Someone who does Meth, lots of criminals in WA are meth addicts, Morey has links to Meth.

Also Sarah McMahon doesnt fit into his other kills either, the sex workers, he changed his MO, she was opportunist, hit him up for some ICE and they went off and he killed her, he thought no one would know but they traced his phone and triangulated it... That is rumour and not proven by the way so do not add that McMahon was with Morey to go get Meth as a fact just yet.

10-19-2015, 08:49 AM#758 billywhizz's Avatar billywhizz  billywhizz is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post

If they have DNA from the Karrakatta rape then god-damn send it off so a facial profile can be developed. My gut feeling is this is nothing but a police strategy to try and lure the CSK out.

Would the facial profile show what he looked like 20 years ago? Or would they risk inaccuracy by trying to project to present day?

10-19-2015, 08:54 AM#759 billywhizz's Avatar billywhizz  billywhizz is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

You have no substantial proof he is not, but you insist on ruling him out...

What I find laughable is this:

So he is precise and highly 'skilled', yet his bungles people into VAN's or Vehicles with cord and rapes them in cemetery's, letting them escape, and almost getting himself 'caught' by trying to have sex with them at a CEMETARY!, yet he is thought of as being some meticulously organised individual. How sloppy did he have to be, he could have been caught because he attempted to'rape' before he killed, obviously realized what a massive mistake this was and refined himself to bypass the rape and go straight for the kill the next time, because at the end of the day the kill is his fantasy, not the rape.

With this sort of thought process its no wonder 20 years have passed.

I wonder what sort of individual hides around looking for woman to rape late at night and has the time to dump their bodies before day break? Someone who does Meth, lots of criminals in WA are meth addicts, Morey has links to Meth.

Good stuff elastic. The fact that he tried to rape someone in a cemetery just further illustrates that this guy is a mega dunce

10-19-2015, 09:13 AM#760 drpath  drpath is offline

Quote Originally Posted by billywhizz  View Post

The fact that he tried to rape someone in a cemetery just further illustrates that this guy is a mega dunce

The cemetery rape victim was abducted from a different area and taken to the cemetery, a quiet secluded area, where he could commit his crime in private. A fledgling killer's first known attempt. Much research has been done which has shown that serial killers often make mistakes such as the CSK did in the cemetery rape before they perfect their craft.

10-19-2015, 09:16 AM#761 elastic  elastic is offline

This is quite interesting, I was trying to find some stuff on Morey and someone here had this link:

http://www.news.com.au/news/lost-in-...-1111113619174

There is a part where Debbie Marshall the crime writer says the following:

Marshall also includes the cases of Hayley Dodd and Sarah McMahon who disappeared in 1999 and 2000. She believes the police have not exhausted the possibility that they – Sarah, in particular – could also be victims of the Claremont killer.“I do think she could be a victim, yes, I do. There is no way you can wipe it out,” she says.

But Mr Lampard dismisses this allegation out of hand.

I am not a fan of Debbie Marshall but I have the utmost respect for her being a crime writer, we have no investigative journalists in WA and its a sad sorry state so reading something from anyone who has done their own research is always refreshing...

She believes McMahon is definitely linked.

The article:

http://www.news.com.au/news/lost-in-...-1111113619174

The article is time stamped May 27, 2007. We already knew Morey was the MAIN suspect is Sarah McMahons murder at that date, she is a crime writer and would have done a thorough investigation into it too....

But then again we have Parkie and DrPath and all those West Australian experts all trying to outdo each other for the next sensationalist expert analysis into the psyche of the Claremont Serial Killer.... hmmmmm.

10-19-2015, 09:36 AM#762 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by drpath  View Post

The cemetery rape victim was abducted from a different area and taken to the cemetery, a quiet secluded area, where he could commit his crime in private. A fledgling killer's first known attempt. Much research has been done which has shown that serial killers often make mistakes such as the CSK did in the cemetery rape before they perfect their craft.

I don't think he is 'meticulous' and 'precise' at all. He is more than likely a meth addict junkie with impotence who was hiding in the bushes late at night waiting for an easy victim to emerge to bungle into the back of his VAN in a blitz attack before carting her hopelessly round the corner to the cemetery late at night to have his way with her and probably then kill her. The wreckless meth junkie, off his chops at the time and struggling to impose himself on her due to meth induced state of psychosis gave her an opportunity to run off and escape leaving the CSK terrified that his 'meticulous' grand plan hasn't even started and he is more or less caught, but due to a miraculous balls up in the Police work they ignore the case and focus on useless leads and hone in on desperate targets making them POI's whilst our 'meticulous' cemetery rapist plots his next attempt to abduct and kill some innocent alone female unfortunate to be at the wrong place and at the wrong time whilst he preyed around a night spot that was familiar to him (Maybe he grew up here, maybe he still lived in the area)

He then possibly changes his vehicle to something else, maybe a station wagon, did the rape victim remember the car? he probably decided to change cars just in case and bought himself a station wagon which could do a similar job.

Three CSK kills later he abondons the area, the heat is too much, despite knowing the area like the back of his hand its now considered far too risky and an easier hunting ground is found, the immortality complex of the wrong man being a POI and possibly 3 potential CSK POI at the time make him feel relaxed and capable to keep his kills up as long as his MO has changed.

Now they are analysing trace elements of chord or cable that may have been left deep into the skin of both Ciara Glennon and the rape victim and they know they can link the two cases because even though the CSK might have changed cars, he kept the same chord, or cable for these abductions. He probably then changed to a rope or something when he changed MO's and ditched everything.

They probably dont have the DNA foir the Karakatta rapist, but they are probably now thinking if they do have chord and they can lift trace elements off of the chord or cable that may be skin particles from the killer when he squeezed the cable really hard...

All this talk of forensics eventually leading to the killers capture in the next few years, maybe they donthave much to analyse, but the technologies there and they are making upgrades and advancements to their technology and equipment in their forensic labs so they can lift those elements..

Could they not be bothered that the CSK will kill again and could they be taking there time to analyse and get everything ready for the inevitable case, they have time, is the CSK currently locked up for another crime, so they casually gather as much evidence as possible without jumping the gun, keep multiple POI's so they dont seem like they have tunnel vision, and be working the case to its conclusion.

Probably, If you are as stupid as the CSK is and attempt to rape someone in a cemetery and let them get away then you wont be hard to catch if the CSK left a little bit of good, but tiny particles of evidence on objects that are only just now able to be analysed?

The timing seems somewhat coincidental.

10-19-2015, 10:01 AM#763 drpath  drpath is offline

The Crime Investigation Australia episode about the CSK, made in conjunction with the WA Police, states the following regarding the CSK profile that was developed by Police in liaison with Claude Menicini and former FBI Captain David Caldwell...

"All that's (publicly) revealed about the killer's profile is that he's organised and that the abductions were carefully planned and controlled...this person clearly knew what he was doing and had planned it meticulously right down to what they were going to do when the girls got in the car, how they would restrain them...it would have to have been well planned for it to be carried out so well"

 

My statements about the Claremont Serial Killer are hardly presumptions. They are based on the parts of the criminal profile that the police have released to the public. It is very unlikely that the CSK was a bumbling meth addict when he abducted and murdered Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon.

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10-19-2015, 10:02 AM#764 elastic  elastic is offline

Was looking at this article and Morey makes this specific quote in 2012

"Man, if I'm supposed to be this mad serial killer running around, why would I be carrying this bag around with me."

Who has accused him of being a 'serial killer' . This sounds like he has been questioned about being a 'serial killer' That means at least 3 confirmed kills on separate occasions.

He said the above quote here:

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/sa...214-2beir.html

So in 2012 he was so assured of himself from being branded a 'serial killer' that he was prepared to say it in a Coroners Court. I wonder why he said it, his thoughts behind getting that out there so everyone could hear those words.. Were the police heavily interrogating him then about being a 'serial killer' not just a 'killer'

10-19-2015, 10:08 AM#765 drpath  drpath is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post

Judoman

If they have Judman's DNA and it's correct that police have Karrakatta man's DNA then Judoman is not Karrakatta Man.

If police are telling the truth that they have a forensic link between Karrakatta Man and CSK then we're talking about someone who is off the grid so far.

My thoughts exactly.

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Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2 P.52

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page52

"...Our guy is top of the tree when it comes to serial killing. He's pretty damned good..."

 "...the Police never caught the guy when they weren't even focused on the other incidents happening around Claremont during the CSK years..."

Most articles say "forensic link". One journo used the work DNA on the click bait but when you read her story it reverts to "forensic link". This is standard journalism (using click bait) and you can bet if there was a DNA link then the term DNA would have appeared in the actual story.

....catch my eye was the following:

The body of one of these, Ms Jane Rimmer (23), was found last August. She had been strangled

Strangled from the report http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756

Now I wish I didn't read that because it just reinforced Morey as the suspect. He disarmed using rope by strangulation. The only known witness

"He calmly pulled his car over to the side of the road and he already had rope wrapped around his hand when he turned his car off."Morey tried to place the rope over the woman's neck but she put her back against the passenger door and repeatedly kicked him.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...ct-in-murders/

Also might explain why he is so effective at killing

"He told me that he was in the SAS... that's where he was taught to kill people," she said. "He told me that he has killed before."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...killed-before/

So Jane Rimmer was strangled. Morey uses strangulation to kill his victims. Morey is also SAS Trained and would be a brutal effective killing machine...

Now lets have a look at this article:

Police officers have now spoken out to allege the investigations were bungled, with potential suspects allowed to walk and key pieces of evidence disregarded.

A terrifying encounter with a sinister man in a car equipped with 'abduction tools' has been pinpointed as a potential moment the police allowed a prime suspect to walk away without inquiry, as they were too focused on a man they believed to be the killer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...man-crime.html

Then this comment

Mr Bayens recalls the chilling night he pulled over a man during an undercover operation in Highgate in 2002 - 11 kilometres away from Claremont.

Then this one confirming high gate was Morey's kill spot

The court also heard that less than nine months prior to the attack a friend and fellow sex worker of the woman disappeared from the same Highgate area Morey's victim was picked up from.

Then the Investigation completly changed following Morey's conviction. Which was an enormous conviction for a prostitutes word against Moreys word. 13 years. He didnt actually rape anyone, or follow through with the kill, yet he went away for longer than most one punch killers, longer than most serial rapists, and was convicted on very little evidence.

So in 2006 following Morey's conviction they then announce they have TWO totally new POI's. Ofcourse they have TWO, they dont want to be seen as having tunnel vision after Caporns major stuff up with the CSK. There was always going to be two major suspects.

Now we hear little of Judoman, could he be Mystery Man and the police pretty much know he is myster man, but at the same time dont really care because they dont beleive the evidence against him is as compelling as the high gate suspect. They still need two POI's to satisfy that they dont have tunnel vision.

So Judoman was a martial arts expert, could be Mystery man, and because of his ego, wants to stay part of the CSK investigation because he loves the attention. This would explain why Mystery man was never found, and why they had the video of MM during the same documentary of Judoman. Maybe the wanted the public to send in as much information as they could on the guy so they could look at ruling their other major suspect out whilst they build the DNA case against the highgate POI.

Under the Taxi theory the CSK seemed highly skilled and organised. Under the Blitz theory he is incredibly lucky the Police bungled the investigation, lead themselves down the wrong path with the wrong focus on the POI's and vehicles, allowing our killer ample time to change his tactics and possibly change his cars/weapons etc before he was ever going to be suspected for any of the offenses. The fact they never caught on to him until 2006-2008 means that he had 10 years to not only hide all his evidence, to destroy any remaining evidence before the CSK even became a POI.

The killer has been lucky through very poor Police work (Despite an FBI agent telling them where to look), and 'time', because they focused on one of the now ruled out former POI's. Which gave the recent POI 10 years to hide everything before they started looking his way.

 

10-19-2015, 10:13 AM#766 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by drpath  View Post

The Crime Investigation Australia episode about the CSK, made in conjunction with the WA Police, states the following regarding the CSK profile that was developed by Police in liaison with Claude Menicini and former FBI Captain David Caldwell...

"All that's (publicly) revealed about the killer's profile is that he's organised and that the abductions were carefully planned and controlled...this person clearly knew what he was doing and had planned it meticulously right down to what they were going to do when the girls got in the car, how they would restrain them...it would have to have been well planned for it to be carried out so well"

My statements about the Claremont Serial Killer are not presumptions. It is very unlikely that the CSK was a bumbling meth addict when he abducted and murdered Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon.

In 2007? when the blitz attack theory was just getting established and the old POI's were being gradually ruled out?

All those things like 'Planning' what to do with the victim in his car, how he would restrain them are just standard things serial killers would automatically plan in their minds... Its not exciting, its just procedure for a serial killer, of course he will think about a dump site, or maybe visit it, fantasize about it he is a serial killer and is not planning on being caught after his first kill.

And they are suggesting Blitz attack so the whole theory about planning 'how' he got the girls in the car, well ask the Karrakatta victim, bound with rope/cable, gagged and thrown in the back of a VAN which sped around the corner before dumping her and performing his 'meticulously planned' rape which costed him his first victim, and almost being caught before he had even started this murder spree.

The Police were looking for Taxi's and Pretend Police cars, they were NOT looking for Vans and Station wagons (the ones that blended into the general populas), and especially not pouring the same sort of resources into the Van theory as they could of, thus the CSK could just continue on his merry way knowing that all those Taxi drivers were not him.

The whole investigation was a shambles and we are now at a point with very little evidence, an extremely lucky killer who had managed to allude Police because they suspected such a 'meticulously planned' killer to be on the lose and not your average meth induced cemetary rapist murderous loon!

10-19-2015, 05:07 PM#767 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

...Now they are analysing trace elements of chord or cable that may have been left deep into the skin of both Ciara Glennon and the rape victim and they know they can link the two cases because even though the CSK might have changed cars, he kept the same chord, or cable for these abductions...

RSBM. Is this your opinion? It is stated as fact. Please make it clear if it's based on a rumor or its a just a possible theory or cite the source.

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10-19-2015, 05:38 PM#768 elastic  elastic is offline

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Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

...Now they are analysing trace elements of chord or cable that may have been left deep into the skin of both Ciara Glennon and the rape victim and they know they can link the two cases because even though the CSK might have changed cars, he kept the same chord, or cable for these abductions...

RSBM. Is this your opinion? It is stated as fact. Please make it clear if it's based on a rumor or its a just a possible theory or cite the source.

Definitely opinion. I was replying to an opinion with an opinion.. Not Fact...

Given what we have learned so far through media reports I wouldn't be surprised if the chord or cable is part of the forensic link

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10-19-2015, 06:07 PM#769 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

...The whole investigation was a shambles and we are now at a point with very little evidence, an extremely lucky killer who had managed to allude Police because they suspected such a 'meticulously planned' killer to be on the lose and not your average meth induced cemetary rapist murderous loon!

RSBM. I appreciate every poster who takes the time to post respectfully and move this case forward, regardless of how our theories may differ.

IMO, the CSK was not using meth. If he was, there would have been lots of sexual abuse, and uncontrolled rage. It would be a sloppy mess, and there would have been many other failed attempts.

There has been lots of discussion amongst profilers regarding organized vs. disorganized, and many have dismissed this type of classification. Regardless, I think the killer was skilled and efficient. He made very few mistakes. He let the Karrakatta victim go. Maybe he wasn't ready to kill yet.

10-19-2015, 07:06 PM#770 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

I'm also not buying the meth theory. Ice was in it's infancy back then too. I first learned of it in 1996 whilst sitting on a train going home from work and 2 guys were blatantly talking about can't waiting to have ice. I'd never heard of it before but knew they were talking about drugs. These guys didn't look like druggies either and it was if they were talking about because they knew no one knew what it was. Both were also going home from work. I didn't come across it again until maybe 2003 and immediately recalled the incident on the train 7 or so years earlier.

So maybe it could have been speed or base - far less destructive. But this guy wouldn't have been a raging addict.

10-19-2015, 10:22 PM#771 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post

I'm also not buying the meth theory. Ice was in it's infancy back then too. I first learned of it in 1996 whilst sitting on a train going home from work and 2 guys were blatantly talking about can't waiting to have ice. I'd never heard of it before but knew they were talking about drugs. These guys didn't look like druggies either and it was if they were talking about because they knew no one knew what it was. Both were also going home from work. I didn't come across it again until maybe 2003 and immediately recalled the incident on the train 7 or so years earlier.

So maybe it could have been speed or base - far less destructive. But this guy wouldn't have been a raging addict.

Yeah the Meth thing was just speculative anyways and doesn't have any real basis other than the Killer being out all night... It cannot be ruled out one way or the other but doesn't have a lot of basis... his sex frenzied rape on the Karrakatta victim is why I suspect he attempted to rape her prior to killing her whilst possibly under the influence of Meth. Also Morey has links to dealing Meth so it was just thrown out there as a possibility given the nature of the attack.

Most of the other things are pretty much in line with the information we have received.

The debate between Organised and Dis-organised is totally irrelevant, on his first ever known abduction the victim escaped from a blitz attack. Sloppy, the killer can be as meticulous as he wants and refine himself into a killing machine, but he was sloppy and stuffed up, hardly the sign of a calculated organised attacker, whether he prepared better for his next few kills and decided it was too high risk to rape the victim and bypass'ed this and went straight for the kill is another matter.. I could hardly assume that because the Police never caught the guy when they weren't even focused on the other incidents happening around Claremont during the CSK years, that automatically makes the CSK a 'sophisticated meticulously organised' serial killer. I would be even more skeptical if any expert from WA tried to proclaim he was based on the limited information we had at the time..

Based on what we know now, he waited in the bushes in a secluded area (Typical of rapists) and waited for an innocent victim leaving a night club by themselves to bungle into the back of his car/van. That would be a standard methodology of abducting whether you are highly organised, or a bumbling lunatic... There is no way you can assume he was calculated and organised based on his way of abducting his victims. Most idiotic criminals would actually use the blitz attack car way of abducting, its the most common form of abducting that has ever occurred anywhere in the world... The fact he used a VAN just hits the stereotype even more that he is no different to any other loon that has abducted in this way.

Under the Taxi theory the CSK seemed highly skilled and organised. Under the Blitz theory he is incredibly lucky the Police bungled the investigation, lead themselves down the wrong path with the wrong focus on the POI's and vehicles, allowing our killer ample time to change his tactics and possibly change his cars/weapons etc before he was ever going to be suspected for any of the offenses. The fact they never caught on to him until 2006-2008 means that he had 10 years to not only hide all his evidence, to destroy any remaining evidence before the CSK even became a POI.

The killer has been lucky through very poor Police work (Despite an FBI agent telling them where to look), and 'time', because they focused on one of the now ruled out former POI's. Which gave the recent POI 10 years to hide everything before they started looking his way.

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10-19-2015, 10:39 PM#772 elastic  elastic is offline

I wonder if the CSK bungled his victims into the VAN using a rope/ chord or cable, choked them unconscious, and then drove them to a secluded area, raped them, and knowing that he let one victim escape, decided to kill the 3 victims so they couldn't reveal his face by stabbing them repeatedly near the dump spot, before moving them to his final dump location. The nature of the stab wounds suggests someone familiar with a knife (thats if the foreign reports are accurate), Abattoir worker anyone?

Also they have not ruled out a sexual assault on the CSK victims, this has been an ongoing debate, maybe he didn't bypass rape and raped these victims prior to his stabbing frenzy.

10-19-2015, 11:17 PM#773 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

The debate between Organised and Dis-organised is totally irrelevant, on his first ever known abduction the victim escaped from a blitz attack. Sloppy, the killer can be as meticulous as he wants and refine himself into a killing machine, but he was sloppy and stuffed up, hardly the sign of a calculated organised attacker, whether he prepared better for his next few kills and decided it was too high risk to rape the victim and bypass'ed this and went straight for the kill is another matter..

Even the smartest academics finish university and then go out into the real world and make seemingly rookie mistakes.

He also probably never planned killing until after the Karrakatta attack (assuming it's the same person of which I'm sceptical). So he did everything he planned to do which takes planning and cunning.

Serial killers typically go through an evolution. Think of people who do organised crime and mafia and gang-banging. Many make rookie mistakes early and are killed. To get to the top you have to survive all this. It's similar for SK's. Many don't survive the initial forays and are apprehended by police. I suspect a large percentage of SK's get caught on their first hit out because they just want to kill someone and haven't matured and experienced enough to realise the meticulous planning needed.

Our guy is top of the tree when it comes to serial killing. He's pretty damned good.

10-19-2015, 11:19 PM#774 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post

I wonder if the CSK bungled his victims into the VAN using a rope/ chord or cable, choked them unconscious, and then drove them to a secluded area, raped them, and knowing that he let one victim escape, decided to kill the 3 victims so they couldn't reveal his face by stabbing them repeatedly near the dump spot, before moving them to his final dump location. The nature of the stab wounds suggests someone familiar with a knife (thats if the foreign reports are accurate), Abattoir worker anyone?

Also they have not ruled out a sexual assault on the CSK victims, this has been an ongoing debate, maybe he didn't bypass rape and raped these victims prior to his stabbing frenzy.

What? What makes you think there are multiple stab wounds? I think you'll find that the girls were not mutilated or repeatedly stabbed.

10-20-2015, 12:03 AM#775 papertrail's Avatar papertrail  papertrail is offline

Karrakatta rape victim information including description of rapist

vehicle was described as A LIGHT COLOURED PANEL VAN

attachment on the right is from an article in West Australian Saturday edition March 22 1997

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10-20-2015, 12:36 AM#776 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

That's a match to MM. Doesn't match LW nor Judoman.

10-20-2015, 04:23 AM#777 Parkie  Parkie is offline

Well now the DNA link is out in the media. No wonder why I was told no popular poi`s were serious suspects. All were just Poi`s. Also I def knew SMM was def not a csk victim. That has been well known by all for ages.

10-20-2015, 04:40 AM#778 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline

I think people are conveniently believing there's a DNA link. If you analyse what has been said along with the history of the case you should come to the conclusion that a DNA link is unlikely.

Most articles say "forensic link". One journo used the work DNA on the click bait but when you read her story it reverts to "forensic link". This is standard journalism (using click bait) and you can bet if there was a DNA link then the term DNA would have appeared in the actual story.

We also know through simple deduction that LE did not have the CSK's DNA for at least the first 10 years of the investigation - otherwise they wouldn't have investigated the main POI's for long periods, rather they'd just compare their DNA and either rule them in or out.

Could have they got a DNA reading over the last 6 years? Possible. The media say this link was made 6 years ago. That's a long time to have the killers DNA and not have some serious public operations (such as CIA, leaking POI details to the press etc).

10-20-2015, 05:13 AM#779 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post

What? What makes you think there are multiple stab wounds? I think you'll find that the girls were not mutilated or repeatedly stabbed.

Good pickup, I had another look through the original articles and couldnt find any reference to stab wounds on any CSK victim... Not sure where I got the misinformation from.. What did catch my eye was the following:

The body of one of these, Ms Jane Rimmer (23), was found last August. She had been strangled

Strangled from the report http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756

Now I wish I didn't read that because it just reinforced Morey as the suspect. He disarmed using rope by strangulation. The only known witness

"He calmly pulled his car over to the side of the road and he already had rope wrapped around his hand when he turned his car off."Morey tried to place the rope over the woman's neck but she put her back against the passenger door and repeatedly kicked him.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...ct-in-murders/

Also might explain why he is so effective at killing

"He told me that he was in the SAS... that's where he was taught to kill people," she said. "He told me that he has killed before."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...killed-before/

So Jane Rimmer was strangled. Morey uses strangulation to kill his victims. Morey is also SAS Trained and would be a brutal effective killing machine...

Now lets have a look at this article:

Police officers have now spoken out to allege the investigations were bungled, with potential suspects allowed to walk and key pieces of evidence disregarded.

A terrifying encounter with a sinister man in a car equipped with 'abduction tools' has been pinpointed as a potential moment the police allowed a prime suspect to walk away without inquiry, as they were too focused on a man they believed to be the killer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...man-crime.html

Then this comment

Mr Bayens recalls the chilling night he pulled over a man during an undercover operation in Highgate in 2002 - 11 kilometres away from Claremont.

Then this one confirming high gate was Morey's kill spot

The court also heard that less than nine months prior to the attack a friend and fellow sex worker of the woman disappeared from the same Highgate area Morey's victim was picked up from.

Then the Investigation completly changed following Morey's conviction. Which was an enormous conviction for a prostitutes word against Moreys word. 13 years. He didnt actually rape anyone, or follow through with the kill, yet he went away for longer than most one punch killers, longer than most serial rapists, and was convicted on very little evidence.

So in 2006 following Morey's conviction they then announce they have TWO totally new POI's. Ofcourse they have TWO, they dont want to be seen as having tunnel vision after Caporns major stuff up with the CSK. There was always going to be two major suspects.

Now we hear little of Judoman, could he be Mystery Man and the police pretty much know he is myster man, but at the same time dont really care because they dont beleive the evidence against him is as compelling as the high gate suspect. They still need two POI's to satisfy that they dont have tunnel vision.

So Judoman was a martial arts expert, could be Mystery man, and because of his ego, wants to stay part of the CSK investigation because he loves the attention. This would explain why Mystery man was never found, and why they had the video of MM during the same documentary of Judoman. Maybe the wanted the public to send in as much information as they could on the guy so they could look at ruling their other major suspect out whilst they build the DNA case against the highgate POI.

It would explain why after 08 very little has ever been stated or said about the martial arts expert, but recently in a documentary all the focus was on Con Bayens and his suspect. ALL THE FOCUS NOW IS ON THE HIGH GATE SUSPECT. Judoman is there to keep the investigation honest, and could be MM who had nothing to do with the kills, but would explain why he knew a few of the girls, enough to have a brief conversation outside the night club with one of the victims and move on.

So the media has ruled out ALL FORMER POI's

So we have Judoman which no one has cared for since 2008 and now the one everyone has a target on, highgate man, possibly Morey, the SAS killer who used the same method to kill as reported in the Irish Times for Jane Rimmer when he tried to strangle his prostitute.

 

No one has been able to definitively ruled Morey out ever, not in any news article, its almost like their is a gag order over announcing whether he is involved with the CSK.

10-20-2015, 05:19 AM#780 elastic  elastic is offline

Quote Originally Posted by Parkie  View Post

Well now the DNA link is out in the media. No wonder why I was told no popular poi`s were serious suspects. All were just Poi`s. Also I def knew SMM was def not a csk victim. That has been well known by all for ages.

Mate, why dont you just leave the thread with your tail between your legs.

You dont know who killed SMM. There is no way you could know for certain, and ruling out the CSK based on nothingness is erroneous in every conceivable way. Infact you have been trying to deflect from Morey and especially Sarah McMahon from the beginning with out stating any facts at all. Nothing. Your theories are not compelling... and every article suggests that High gate man is now the main POI.

There is also no DNA link, there is FORENSIC evidence. And all reports so far suggest the rope/cable is the FORENSIC evidence.

So its more than likely the SAME rope/cable was used for BOTH abductions, thus if they can catch Karrkatta rapist, then they can now link it to the CSK kill, which then means they can nail the guy for the other two CSK kills without having any direct evidence. Its their bridge to bring down CSK using a known blitz attack that they now know are linked.

Anyways you offer nothing but wrong incorrect misinformation.

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Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2 P.50
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page50
The former head of Western Australia's Prostitution Task Force Con Bayens hinted that it was Donald Morey that he stopped and searched his car in Northbridge, Perth, and found his boot lined with blue plastic and all the necessary equipment in his boot needed to carry out an adbuction, such masking tape, pliers, wire ties, rope etc.
The former head of Western Australia's Prostitution Task Force Con Bayens believes the Macro Task Force under the then head Assistant Commissioner David Caporn that has been in charge of the investigation into the Claremont Serial Abductions and killings, missed crucial opportunities to explore suspects including a suspicious character Con Bayens encountered in 2002.
The former head of WA's prostitution taskforce Con Bayens believes the taskforce missed crucial opportunities to explore suspects - including a suspicious character he encountered in 2002
Mr Bayens recalls the chilling night he pulled over a man during an undercover operation in Highgate in 2002 - 11 kilometres away from Claremont.
The boot was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction.
The driver was questioned but Mr Bayens does not know why he was cleared in inquiries by officers on Task Force Macro, which was set up to investigate the killings.
The boot of the suspiciois man's car, that Chanel & reporter said looked like an undercover polic e car,  was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction
Mr Bayens said the head investigator into the killings had rejected his offer to pass on information from the undercover operation, which was uncovering people every night 'and every one of them had the potential to be the Claremont serial killer.'
However, his offer was rejected by the chief investigator, to his astonishment.
'He said, 'Don't worry about it, Con, we've got our man.' And those words will stick with me forever,' he said.
'That just hit about 10 on my weird s***-o-meter.'
WA Police insist they looked into the sinister man Mr Bayens encountered, but the former constable insists the enquiry never took place.
New Article ruling out suspects
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...lling-suspect/
Compo call for cleared Claremont killing suspect
Grant TaylorOctober 19, 2015, 12:35 am
Billboard of missing Claremont serial killer victim Sarah Spiers.The State Opposition believes the former “chief suspect” as the Claremont serial killer should get compensation after explosive claims that all former suspects had now been cleared.
The Post newspaper reported on Friday about a forensic link between the Claremont murders and an earlier rape case.
That evidence had also helped clear former Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams, who was publicly revealed as a suspect in the late 1990s.
Police refused to confirm or deny the newspaper’s claims but shadow attorney-general John Quigley said that if true, the Government should force police to admit they got it wrong.
“If it was not Lance Williams, he would certainly have a clear case for compensation for what he was subjected to, which was years of harassment by police,” Mr Quigley said.
“And if I was the Government ... I would also want an inquiry to determine why he was treated the way he was.”
Mr Williams was subjected to years of intense police scrutiny, including police cars parked outside his home day and night and following his every movement.
His workstation at the Department of Transport was bugged, with one reportedly crashing through the ceiling on to his desk.
And after he agreed to a lie detector test and “failed” it, journalists were tipped off about the outcome to keep pressure on him.
Mr Williams’ family have claimed that police tactics had an enormous impact on his life, resulting in psychiatric treatment on several occasions.
The family also claim police told them in 2008 that they would not be “troubled by them again” but Mr Williams was now reluctant to seek compensation out of fear it could provoke them.
Attorney-General Michael Mischin yesterday dismissed the idea of an inquiry into Mr Williams’ treatment, saying he should lodge a claim through the appropriate channels if he felt he was unfairly targeted.
Mr Mischin said any claim for compensation would be dealt with on its merits and that if someone claimed police acted maliciously towards them, then there could be avenues of redress through the courts and they should seek legal advice.
10-19-2015, 04:09 AM#737 elastic  elastic is offline
So if all the suspects have now been cleared. 
Who were the official suspects, we know Lance Williams, we also know Steve Ross, so who was officially a suspect, Peter Weygers, although they raided him based on a psychics thoughts, how keystone can you get?
10-19-2015, 04:49 AM#738 alioop's Avatar alioop  alioop is offline
Verified Attorney (AU)
Hi everyone, i have been asked to advise on how the police can obtain a DNA sample from a suspect.
Here is a link to Western Australian law.
DNA samples
Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed.
So if there are any suspects, they can take a DNA sample from them. I expect they would first get an order from a judge after showing some evidence of why they consider the person a suspect. Of course they could just ask the person first and there would be no need for an order.
http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservi...3/Default.aspx
All in my opinion only
10-19-2015, 04:50 AM#739 elastic  elastic is offline
Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute. Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI. But he hints at High gate, a place Morey was KNOWN to prowl looking for potential victims.
No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.
Sarah McMahon fits the victims profile to a T. She is exactly the same sort of victim you would have expected the CSK to target in every conceivable way. Morey's temptation to execute this kill fits the profile of the CSK. Ill explain why below.
Lets assume Morey killed these victims which everyone suspects he did, but being a master serial killer there is no physical evidence to suggest he actually did the kills, just enormous swaths of circumstantial evidence suggesting he was involved. Moreys known victims had suffered through the use of a cable/rope.. this method of disarming fits with the CSK. The Karrakatta victim had a rope bound around her neck from memory, rope was involved, it is assumed Ciara Glennon had some involvement with rope, then we had an article in the POST some years back identifying a print shop and rope, but now we are being told its 'cable' as the facts become more clear... Whatever Morey chose to tie up his victim, rope/cable, it fits his profile again.
Credit to Sutton for posting this (*Will do some rejigging to show a possible timeline):
1995 - Karrakatta Cemetery rape, Claremont
Jan. 1996 - Sarah Spiers abducted Claremont- still missing (Hidden probably in the bush somewhere)-Was a possible call from the killer suggesting a really well hidden enormous area
June 1996 - Jane Rimmer- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- abattoir worker anyone?)
Mar. 1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe im wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)
Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)
Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)
Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)
Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)
Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)
So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth, he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background. 
Sarah McMahon was rumoured (yes its a rumour) buying Meth from Donald Morey, Donald Morey would have known she wouldn't have told anyone her whereabouts when buying the drugs from Morey, its was an opportunist kill, the heat was back on, so he moved back to killing the street workers where one eventually smashed his head with her feet and escaped over a brick wall whilst he tried to BOUND and GAG her in his car...




Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!
They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes... Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it
Morey is cool, clam, highly intelligent, A former abattoir worker, a expert at navigating in the bush, took amphetamines so stayed up all night, impotent so may not leave behind his DNA in his semen, used rope or cable to bound and gag his victims, was an expert at Blitz attacks and is possibly the sexual predator/ Con Bayens suspect that has become a major focus of the CSK investigation. No media have ruled him out, no police have ever ruled him out..
10-19-2015, 05:05 AM#740 Parkie  Parkie is offline
Quote Originally Posted by Sutton  View Post
Morey?
Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?
10-19-2015, 05:34 AM#741 Parkie  Parkie is offline
Elastic I`m sorry but truck drivers/ abbatoir workers aren`t usually highly intelligent. He is not the CSK. They might have a link from Karrakatta to CG but imho it will not help if they don`t have the bloke. And especially if he is a long long way from Claremont. And there is always the case of say the possibility of two guys & they didn`t find any DNA of one of them at all.
10-19-2015, 05:42 AM#742 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline
Quote Originally Posted by alioop  View Post
Hi everyone, i have been asked to advise on how the police can obtain a DNA sample from a suspect.
Here is a link to Western Australian law.
DNA samples
Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed.
So if there are any suspects, they can take a DNA sample from them. I expect they would first get an order from a judge after showing some evidence of why they consider the person a suspect. Of course they could just ask the person first and there would be no need for an order.
http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservi...3/Default.aspx
Thanks for posting a straight forward answer. That is a very permissive statute--DNA can be collected from anyone suspected of a serious crime (with penalty stipulations). 
This causes a big problem for my theory, if police actually do have DNA. The articles indicate a forensic link, so it's possible they are referring to fibers or tire impressions or something else. 


If police were able to collect DNA from Ciara, then they would have been able to collect from and test against Judoman.
10-19-2015, 06:16 AM#743 elastic  elastic is offline
Quote Originally Posted by Parkie  View Post
Elastic I`m sorry but truck drivers/ abbatoir workers aren`t usually highly intelligent. He is not the CSK. They might have a link from Karrakatta to CG but imho it will not help if they don`t have the bloke. And especially if he is a long long way from Claremont. And there is always the case of say the possibility of two guys & they didn`t find any DNA of one of them at all.
Well that is a really dumb thing to say. There have been plenty of truck driver serial killers in the USA. Also I wouldn't lump everyone into the same category and call them stupid based on an occupation. There are some incredibly smart people in society who are good at certain things, Morey is a killing machine, he only needs to be intelligent at killing, and he has the nous for it.
also explain what you think Morey was doing prior to 1998? sitting around thinking about being a serial killer?
given Morey's age I very much doubt he only started killing in 1998, he has probably been at this for decades.
10-19-2015, 06:36 AM#744 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline
Is that billboard new? Or is it from 1996?
10-19-2015, 06:38 AM#745 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline
Lance Williams
I think the only thing he will be able to get compensation for is Macro leaking his details. They have denied and will deny it but a rational judge will rule that police leaked it.
LW says he doesn't want to sue. That's suspicious in my books.
10-19-2015, 06:43 AM#746 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline
Quote Originally Posted by Sutton  View Post
Thanks for posting a straight forward answer. That is a very permissive statute--DNA can be collected from anyone suspected of a serious crime (with penalty stipulations). 
This causes a big problem for my theory, if police actually do have DNA. The articles indicate a forensic link, so it's possible they are referring to fibers or tire impressions or something else. 
If police were able to collect DNA from Ciara, then they would have been able to collect from and test against Judoman.
The law may as well be "citizens have no rights because police can take your DNA whenever they feel fit".


In WA, if your house is used for crime, even if you're unaware of it, the courts can seize your house. An enderly couple owned and lived in their home for decades. They bought the house with honest money. They were unaware their 45 year old son was a pot dealer and stash a few pounds in their roof space. He got busted. The Court acknowledged the couple were law abiding and probably didn't know about the drugs. Court seizes their house off them. Another time a woman's ex-husband sexually assaulted some years before in their marital home (now her home). Court seized house.
WA. WTF?
10-19-2015, 06:43 AM#747 Sutton's Avatar Sutton  Sutton is offline
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
...So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth, he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background. 
Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!
They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes... Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it...
RSBM. You have a good argument for Morey. Here are my 'hold-outs':
1. DNA! If Morey is the CSK, they don't have DNA (see impotence issue below)
2. The behavior pattern isn't right-Morey does a very tidy job abducting, killing and disposing of three very high risk victims. No one sees anything, even though he would seem out-of-place in Claremont and I don't think it would be his natural hunting grounds. But he pulls everything off without a hitch. 
His lust temporarily satisfied he holds off while police pressure is at its highest. Morey then makes an obvious disappearance of Sarah Mcmahon. He regresses in his skill and sophistication. Morey then decides to go for sex workers, very low risk victims bc they willingly get in his vehicle. But he lets the situation with one of the girls gets out of hand and everything falls apart.
I guess this is possible, maybe he became manic or he just devolved. Its more than just sloppiness. 
Impotence means unable to achieve or sustain an erection. Morey wouldn't be firing anything if he was impotent. Non-secreters do not leave behind DNA (there is brand new science in this, idk what though). Even sterile men ejaculate DNA (unless they are non-secreter). IMO, I'm not an ED expert.
The last part of your post sounds fanciful, but I will have a new admiration for police if it's true. It would explain why the victims' families have never really spoken out against police (idk the attitude there, that might not be acceptable).
10-19-2015, 06:45 AM#748 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
So if all the suspects have now been cleared. 
Who were the official suspects, we know Lance Williams, we also know Steve Ross, so who was officially a suspect, Peter Weygers, although they raided him based on a psychics thoughts, how keystone can you get?
Judoman, Weygers, Dixie.
All would have provided DNA and seemingly all are ruled out.
10-19-2015, 06:56 AM#749 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute.
Lots of people though SM was a CSK victim because she was last seen in Claremont. Lots of people also though Hayley Dodd was too. Once the evidence came out about Morey it was obvious be did SM and most people assumed he wasn't the CSK.
Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI.
Whilst I think it's Morey, Bayens gave no indication who he was talking about.
No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.
CIA didn't say knife. They said gun and ammo concealed under front passenger seat.


The rest is a reasonable case. I wonder how highly police rate him?

10-19-2015, 06:57 AM#750 Bartholemeus  Bartholemeus is offline
Quote Originally Posted by Parkie  
Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?
Where's the Telstra stuff coming from? The media? Or from this thread?

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Missing Girls in Western Australia from the 1970's onwards

17^th April, 1974 the disappearance and suspected murder of Raelene Eaton and Yvonne Waters   last seen in Scarbourgh Beach, Western Australia.

Orelia resident Felicia Wilson’s battered, mutilated body was found behind a shopping centre at Kwinana on January 10, 1979.

Cheryl Renwick (left) and Barbara Western (right) both vanished from Perth in 1986

1988- The disappearance and suspected murder of Julie Cutler in Perth, Claremont, Cottesloe area

30^th June, 1991 the disappearance and suspected murder of Kerry Turner

Sara-Lee Davey was last seen alive on January 14, 1997

1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe I’m wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)

Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

Family deals with its loss as serial killer still roams free

Sat, Feb 6, 1999,

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/family-deals-with-its-loss-as-serial-killer-still-roams-free-1.149685

Ciara Glennon was born in a bush hospital in Zambia 29 years ago when her Irish parents, Denis and Una, moved to Africa to take up teaching posts in the region. Two years ago next month she went missing from her home in Perth, Western Australia and three weeks later her body was found in bush land, 50 km north of the country's third largest city.

Her murder, at the hands of a serial killer who is believed to have murdered three young women, stunned the local community and the whole state of Western Australia mourned her death.

The Glennons went to Africa from Mayo and Monaghan and settled in Australia when Ciara was five years old. She was a bright, fun-loving, adventurous child. She gained a law degree, mastered Japanese at the University of Western Australia and had no problem securing a job with a successful local law firm.

Irrepressibly free-spirited, at the age of 26 she took a one-year career break to travel the world. During this time she visited Israel, Greece and Turkey and spent six weeks, longer than she had intended, with relatives in Ireland. In late February 1997 she returned to Perth for the wedding of her sister Denise. Her wanderlust sated, she got her old job back as a solicitor and was put in charge of a case that would have taken up most of the following two years.

She was wearing a claddagh brooch on the single-breasted jacket of her black suit when she went with colleagues for drinks at the Continental Hotel in the upmarket suburb of Claremont on the evening of Friday, March 14th. She was slim and brighteyed, with dark brown curly hair that fell past her shoulders. There was only one week until her sister's wedding, and the night was something of an early St Patrick's Day celebration. At around midnight, she left the hotel to get a taxi, anxious not to miss an early appointment the next morning. She was 10 minutes from her home.

Denis Glennon sits in the boardroom of Western Australian Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) where he has just finished a board meeting. As managing director of Environmental Solutions International, a waste processing and disposal company, he was recently appointed to the board of the EPA. In fact, but for this interruption to his schedule he would be next door with his fellow board-members, talking shop over a glass of wine.

He seems uncomfortable and understandably wary of talking to the media. His treatment at the hands of some Irish newspapers (not The Irish Times) at the time of Ciara's disappearance resulted in a written apology to him and his family.

He is well spoken, impeccably dressed. He carries a compact mobile phone and wears a wider than usual marriage band on his wedding finger. Behind him the Swan River sparkles soothingly under a clear Perth sky as he waits for the interview to begin.

When he speaks it is in the carefully measured tones of those who have suffered too much to bother wasting words. Instead of choosing to assert Ciara's personality, her talents, her essence, he phones his secretary and instructs her gently, in his still distinctly Irish accent, to fax over the eulogy he wrote for her funeral Mass. It talks more eloquently than perhaps he ever could again about who his daughter was.

Instead of answering questions about how the investigation into his daughter's death is progressing he punches numbers into his phone and calls the head of the police task force set up to catch the Claremont serial killer. He knows that without his say-so the police are unlikely to co-operate with an out-of-town journalist. "You should be fine now," he says and waits for the next question.

Ciara Glennon's story hangs heavily in the air-conditioned room. You want to ask this strong, silent Irishman how life has been over the last two years since his daughter went missing; to describe the torment they endured when her partially clothed body was found under some scrub by a passer-by three weeks later. How he and his family have coped when the man who police are 99.9 per cent sure perpetrated this atrocity is living a short drive away from their home.

"When it hits you first you are totally numb with shock. Then you go through a stage of absolute anger, a stage of questioning your faith, disbelief. You start to question the abilities of the police, and then there are periods, weeks and weeks without sleep, total exhaustion," he says.

Ciara was probably not thinking about it as she made her way along Stirling Highway in search of a taxi that night, but in the 18 months before two young women had disappeared from almost the exact same spot. Police had already highlighted the possibility of a serial killer after 18-year-old Sarah Ellen Spiers and, eight months later, 23-year-old Jane Louise Rimmer went missing. Like Ciara, both women were petite, young, attractive and well-dressed.

Sarah Ellen Spiers's body has never been found, but they found Jane Louise eight weeks after she went missing. It was 50 km south of Claremont, about four metres in from the road in dense vegetation. The Macro Taskforce was quickly established by Perth police, as it became clear that a serial killer was at large in the area.

The search for Ciara got under way immediately. By late Saturday afternoon the task force was making inquiries into her movements and by the end of the week they were imploring people to come forward with any useful information. Denise Glennon was married as planned that weekend - the bridesmaid's dress supposed to be worn by her best friend and sister left hanging in the wardrobe.

"It was a very difficult decision to go ahead with the wedding," says Denis Glennon. "But stripped of all the usual materialistic elements it was so much more meaningful and special."

Three weeks after she went missing, Ciara's body was found at a remote fishing location near Perth. The pain of this time has never left Denis Glennon's eyes but what also remains for him is the way a whole country, his business friends, the media, ordinary people took their awful family tragedy to their hearts.

Almost immediately afterwards the Secure Community Foundation was set up by Denis Glennon's colleagues to raise money for extra resources to help the police investigation. The funds paid for a DNA analyser to scan the oral swabs given by the hundreds interviewed after the murder. They paid for a retired FBI polygrapher (lie detector expert), Ron Homer, to travel to Western Australia for a month, allowing police to eliminate a large number of suspects and focus on the remaining group who had refused the test or who had failed it.

They also paid for an FBI psychological profiler to visit for a month to give police a better understanding as to the identity of the offender, his likely traits, his background, his lifestyle. The last time the funds donated by the SCF were tallied they came to A$850,000 (£390,000). It is the largest homicide investigation conducted in Australia.

In late October 1997 police in Perth identified the person they still suspect of being the Claremont serial killer. He was kept for 10 months under covert surveillance until April last year, 12 months after Ciara was found, when he was observed driving alone through Claremont's business district, stalking a girl who looked very like Ciara and the two other victims. He was interviewed at length that evening and has been under overt surveillance ever since.

A member of the Macro Taskforce said last week that the suspect, a 42-year-old civil servant, was driving home from work to his parents' house as we spoke. "He is a quiet, introverted, insignificant member of the community and the person we strongly believe is the Claremont serial killer," he said. The vital evidence they need for a conviction is proving elusive, however.

People tell you that Perth has grown up since Ciara Glennon's murder as women grow wary of going out alone, but inevitably as time goes by complacency is creeping in. The Glennon family has been dramatically altered, priorities shifted, perspectives changed.

"Previous to Ciara's murder I was no different than any other reasonably successful business man," says Denis Glennon, adding that "now life is much more about caring for our family. There has been a huge renewal in the meaning of faith amongst us."

The everyday ways in which the bitter grief has changed them are informative. Una Glennon used to watch "a reasonable amount of TV, partly crime-related stuff. Now she doesn't watch any," says Denis. Constantly travelling, he himself used to go through up to three novels a week. "Now I don't. It seems frivolous."

He does not view the apprehension of Ciara's killer in a vengeful way but "justice must prevail". "Finding the perpetrator will be like closing a chapter but it also means that the whole horror of what happened to Ciara will be revealed and I am not looking forward to that for any of our sakes," he says.

The Glennons realise that each of them must go through it in their own way. They haven't sought counselling and will not. Denis Glennon knows the statistics - that 80 per cent of marriages simply don't survive this kind of devastation - but his has come through the worst.

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Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2 P.40

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/violent-attacker-is-suspect-in-murders-ng-ya-141907

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

LUKE ELIOT

Monday, November 07, 2011

A street prostitute who narrowly survived a brutal bashing at the hands of a sexual deviant who is suspected of being involved in two unsolved suspected murders says she is still haunted by the chilling attack and believes her assailant may have killed other women.

In her first media interview since the December 2003 attack, the woman, who did not want her name published, described crawling through a swamp and scaling a 2.4m high concrete wall in a bid to escape.

"I know there are other girls who aren't as lucky as I was," the woman said.

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

In handing down a 13-year jail term, Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Miller accepted the prosecutor's submission that there was no sexual motive to Morey's crime as he was impotent at the time.

"This woman was a random target and . . . it was predatory conduct on your part," Justice Miller said. "It was a premeditated offence, that you planned to take her to a remote area and it was not the case that you voluntarily desisted from what you were doing."

Morey's appeals were dismissed and he remains behind bars.

He is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003, and to the disappearance of Sarah McMahon, a 20-year-old Parkerville woman who has not been seen leaving her Claremont workplace exactly 11 years ago today. Her vehicle was found at Swan District Hospital. Morey denies involvement in both cases but admits he knew Ms McMahon.

Ms Ugle's body was found in April 2003 near Mundaring Weir - a short distance from Morey's Chidlow home and from the Helena Valley street where he took his December 2003 victim. The two prostitutes knew each other.

"We don't think it is going to happen to us but I didn't put two and two together," the prostitute who escaped said.

"I'm not a dumb girl. I have good instincts and he was good enough to make me go against my instincts."

She said she felt uneasy getting into Morey's car that night in December 2003 but accepted $900 to have sex with him.

"I think he might have panicked because I realised he was going around in circles," she said.

"He calmly pulled his car over to the side of the road and he already had rope wrapped around his hand when he turned his car off."

Morey tried to place the rope over the woman's neck but she put her back against the passenger door and repeatedly kicked him.

"I fell out backwards and hit the kerb with my back," she said.

"He dived out over the top of me and I got him in the face with my feet. I think that dazed him a little bit. I crawled to the back of the car and he followed me.

"He was punching into me for about 15 minutes and I was screaming. I climbed on to the back of his car . . . to try not to let him get me back into the car again."

The woman managed to climb a high wall and stumble through a swampy area.

"I was screaming," she said. Morey eventually got back in his car and drove off.

The woman said the attack changed her life.

"I couldn't walk out in the street at night," she said.

"If I see someone who looks like him I jump a little, even though I know he is in jail."

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/how-many-of-perths-missing-and-murdered-women-fell-prey-to-serial-killers/news-story/0c2ef54e364745c7c0582b4e60685a91

How many of Perth’s missing and murdered women fell prey to serial killers? JANUARY 17, 2017

IT’S one of the most remote cities on earth, yet no less than four serial killers and suspected serial killers have chosen Perth as their hunting ground since the 1980s.

The arrest of a man in connection with the most notorious of them all — the Claremont murders — has renewed interest in Western Australia’s other unsolved cases. And there are many.

Over the past four decades, dozens of women and girls have disappeared from the Perth area. A handful have turned out to be murdered but the vast majority have never been found.

Some of these cold cases are being rexamined for possible links to other unsolved cases, while others bear the hallmarks of solved murders and notoriously violent criminals.

The waters have been muddied thanks to some major screw ups by the Western Australian Police, who have developed a reputation for collaring the wrong man (Andrew Mallard, the Mickelburg brothers and John Button to name a few) while the real killers roamed free, and in some cases struck again.

The town of Claremont has feared there may be a serial killer in their midst since the deaths of Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ciara Glennon, 27, in 1996 and 1997.

Speculation about other serial killers has been rife for years as police, amateur sleuths and journalists chip away at WA’s growing list of unsolved crimes.

Two cases which have come up again and again are those of Julie Cutler and Kerry Turner, who vanished in 1988 and 1991 respectively.

Ms Turner’s decomposed remains were found near Canning Dam four weeks after she disappeared. Ms Cutler’s upturned car was found in the surf off Cottesloe Beach two days after she was last seen but her body has never been recovered.

The parents of both Ms Cutler and Ms Turner believe their daughters may have fallen prey a serial killer and have appealed to detectives to investigate possible links.

Just before Christmas, police charged Bradley Robert Edwards with the abduction and murders of Ms Glennon and Ms Rimmer.

The 48-year-old Telstra technician and amateur photographer was arrested after cold case detectives allegedly linked DNA from Ms Glennon to a 1995 rape at Perth’s Karrakatta Cemetery and a kimono linked to the scene of a 1988 assault on a sleeping teenager in Huntingdale.

Mr Edwards faces two counts of deprivation of liberty, two counts of aggravated sexual penetration without consent, one count of breaking and entering and one count of indecent assault with respect to the earlier cases.

The investigation regarding 18-year-old Sarah Spiers, who also disappeared from Claremont in 1996 but whose body has never been found, remains open. Mr. Edwards has not been charged with any offences in relation to Ms Spiers.

 

Photos of Former Telstra technician Bradley Robert Edwards, 48.

IN an unrelated case, police are investigating the disappearance and suspected murder of 20-year-old Sarah McMahon in 2000, the murder of street worker Darylyn Ugle, 25, in 2003 and to numerous missing persons cases involving prostitutes.

Ms McMahon was not a prostitute. A 2013 inquest into her death heard that one man was a person of interest in both Ms McMahon’s disappearance and Ms Ugle’s murder and heard evidence that at least one of his associates feared he was a “serial killer”.

Serial killers David and Catherine Birnie murdered four of the five women they abducted over a period of just five weeks in 1986.

Their murder victims were Mary Neilson, 22, Noelene Patterson, 31, Denise Brown, 21 and Susannah Candy.

It is feared, however, that many more women and girls fell prey to the twisted couple.

They include 12-year-old Lisa Mott, who vanished in 1980, 33-year-old Cheryl Renwick, who was last seen in May 1986 and Barbara Western, 38, who vanished a month later.

Serial killer Catherine Birnie (above) and husband David murdered four women near Perth in a murderous six week frenzy in 1986 but police suspect the couple had many more victims.

Serial killer David Birnie (above) and wife Catherine were convicted of the murders of four women in 1986 but are suspected to have killed many more. 

Self-described serial killer Richard Edward Dorrough left a note confessing to the murders of three people before killing himself in Perth in 2014.

The 37-year-old navy mechanic is believed to have named 21-year-old Broome woman Sara-Lee Davey, Sydney prostitute Rachael Campbell, 29 and an unknown person in the note.

The confession came four years after Dorrough was acquitted of Ms Campbell’s 1998 murder, despite DNA evidence linking him to the crime.

At his 2010 trial, he admitted having sex with her and even biting her but denied killing her. His legal team successfully advanced a theory Ms Campbell’s estranged boyfriend was the killer and the jury handed down a not-guilty verdict.

Years earlier he had served just 12 months of a five-year sentence for attempted murder after being convicted of deliberately running down a pedestrian in Queensland in 2000.

Ms Davey vanished in January 1997 after hooking up with Dorrough at a Broome nightclub while he was on shore leave from the HMAS Geelong.

Despite testimony from witnesses who claimed to have seen the pair wander down a pier together and heard “screams” and a “splash” shortly afterwards, investigators found there was “insufficient evidence” to charge Dorrough with any crime.

Since his shocking confession, Dorrough, who was born in Queensland but lived all over the country thanks to his line of work, has been posthumously investigated in connection with hundreds of cold cases.


 Catherine Birnie above along with Husband David Birnie were convicted of the murders of four women in 1986 but are suspected to have killed many more

Ex-Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough left a suicide note confessing to the murders of three people before killing himself in Perth in 2014

Police released this graphic of all the places self-confessed serial killer Richard Dorrough lived in before his 2014 suicide
in Perth in the hope of solving some of the nation’s cold cases

HOW MANY OF THESE WOMEN ARE SERIAL KILLER VICTIMS?

FELICIA MARIE WILSON, 19

Orelia resident Felicia Wilson’s battered, mutilated body was found behind a shopping centre at Kwinana on January 10, 1979.

Felicia Wilson was found dead in 1979.

KERRYN MARY TATE, 19

Kerryn Tate disappeared from the Perth metropolitan area on the 28th of December 1979. Her remains were found draped over a burnt tree stump off the Brookton Hwy at Boulder Rock two days later.

A pendant found at the site was used to help identify her.

ANNETTE DEVERELL, 19

Annette Deverell was last seen heading to Mandurah to buy cigarettes on September 13, 1980.

Two years later, her burnt, skeletal remains were found in bush at Pinjarra. A shotgun was found nearby and a post mortem examination revealed her skull had been fractured.

LISA MOTT, 12

Lisa Mott vanished on October 30, 1980. She was last seen getting into a panel van on Forrest St, Collie, after a basketball game. Her body has never been found.

Serial killers David and Catherine Birnie are considered suspects in her case.

 Lisa Mott’s father Brian at his Busselton home with a painting of his daughter, who disappeared in 1980 at the age of just 12. 

 Lisa Mott

PAULINE WALTER, 22

Pauline Walter was last seen at a Perth backpacker hostel in June 1980.

Her headless body was found in a Forrestdale ditch six years later.

SHARON MASON, 14

Perth schoolgirl Sharon Mason vanished on February 19, 1983. Her butchered body was found by workman under a shed behind a shop run by Arthur Greer later that year.

Greer was convicted of Sharon’s murder in 1994 and received a life sentence.

However, there is a widely held belief that Greer did not kill Sharon and the WA Innocence Project have conducted a long-running campaign to appeal his conviction but his requests for parole have continually been knocked back.

His pro bono lawyer Jonathan Davies has applied to the board to allow Greer parole in light of the new evidence, which may explain his longstanding refusal to accept responsibility for the schoolgirl’s murder.

The evidence uncovered by John Button, who was also wrongly convicted over a murder committed by serial killer Eric Edgar Cooke, was presented to the Innocence Project in WA and Edith Cowan University law students, as well as criminologists and psychologists.

His years as a builder meant he was able to find a discrepancy about where the plumbing was on the Mosman Park site where Ms Mason’s remains were found.

It is now suggested that the remains were above pipes that were installed after the girl’s disappearance in 1983, and were not located under a shed then belonging to Greer, which was thought to have concealed the burial spot.

Sharon Mason who went missing and was murdered when she was only 14 years old.

Many believe Arthur Greer was wrongly convicted of the murder of Sharon Mason, 14 (above) and that her real killer remains uncaught.

CHERYL RENWICK, 33

The last time Cheryl was known to have had contact with anyone was when she answered a phone call from a friend on May 25, 1986.

Her car was found abandoned at Perth Airport three days later but investigators do not believe she took a flight.

Serial killers David and Catherine Birnie remains the prime suspects in her case.

Cheryl Renwick (left) and Barbara Western (right) both vanished from Perth in 1986 and may have been victims of serial killers David and Catherine Birnie

BARBARA WESTERN, 38

Barbara was last seen drinking at a pub on the Albany Highway on June 26, 1986.

Her skeletal remains were eventually found in bush near Karragullen and suspicion also fell on

the Birnies, who are considered suspects in this case.

JULIE CUTLER, 20

Julie Cutler disappeared on June 22, 1988 after leaving a staff party at the Parmelia Hilton in Perth. Two days later, her upturned car was found in the surf at Cottesloe but her body has never been found.

Shortly before she went missing, she told her family somebody unknown to her had tried to run her car off the road.

Julie Cutler

LISA GOVAN, 28

Lisa Govan was last seen near the bottle shop of the Foundry Hotel in Kalgoorlie on October 8, 1999.

At the time, the hotel was also used as a clubhouse by the Club Deroes outlaw motorcycle gang.

Her body was never found and despite a $50,000 reward and two anonymous calls made to her parents in connection with her suspected murder, the case remains unsolved.

SARAH MCMAHON, 20

Sarah McMahon was last seen leaving work at Claremont on November 11, 2000.

Her car was later found abandoned and unlocked at a hospital carpark.

Missing, presumed murdered: Claremont woman Sarah McMahon

KERRY TURNER, 18

Kerry Turner vanished while hitchhiking from Victoria Park to Armadale on June 29, 1991 after a night out.

Her badly decomposed body was found four weeks later near Canning Dam.

SARA-LEE DAVEY, 21

Sara-Lee Davey was last seen alive on January 14, 1997, when she picked up a handbag from a house in Saville Street, Broome, where she had been staying for a few days, telling relatives she would return later.
The car she was driving has never been found.

The police’s strongest lead was that Ms Davey was murdered by a sailor —
 suspected to be Perth-based, self-confessed serial killer Richard Dorrough, who confessed to her murder in a 2014 suicide note.

Richard Dorrough confessed to the murder of 3 women and the police and the media seemed to have have assumed
that one of the confessed murders was missing Broome woman Sara-Lee Davey, 21, in a 2014 suicide note..
but in fact one, two or three of the women that Richard Dorrough has confessed to be involved with the murder of
may well have Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and/or Ciara Glennon

LISA BROWN, 19

Lisa Brown was a street worker and mother-of-two who vanished on October 11, 1998 and is believed to have been murdered.

She was last seen looking for clients in the Lake Street area of Perth.

Sex worker and mum-of-two Lisa Brown, 21, is believed to have been murdered by a serial killer

 

DARYLYN UGLE, 25

Ms Ugle vanished on March 25, 2003, from Highgate.

Her badly decomposed body was found in bush near Mundaring Weir about two weeks later.