Claremont serial killer case- new clues emerge

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/claremont-serial-killer-case-new-clues-on-murderers-car-20151204-glfnot.html

Cop zapped for cavalier use of taser - Subiaco POST  - 17th December, 2016

By BRET CHRISTIAN

A taser stun-gun fi res two barbs into the skin from a distance of up to 20 metres. The barbs are connected by thin wires to a high-voltage, low amperage power source that synchronises with the pulses of the central nervous system, the ultimate controller of a body’s muscles, causing the muscles to contract uncontrollably and for the body to collapse. Head injuries from the collapse and heart attacks have been attributed to taser use.

Judge Davis made findings against Officer Clark and Traynor for malice in Essex Street and at Fremantle Police Station;

against Offi cer Clark for malicious prosecution;

against Offi cer Traynor for battery, and of malice

and

malfeasance in public offi ce against Mr Caldwell for the tasering. She found against the state of WA for false imprisonment for the whole of the time after Dr Cunningham was grabbed by police.

 Judge Davis said D r Cunningham was concerned to “seek justice”. “The outcome that he sought was initially an apology from the police and to have the criminal charges dropped,” she said. “When that did not happen he sought an acknowledgement that a mistake had been made and that things had gone wrong, but he did not receive that.”

David Baker  - DECEMBER 5, 2015

New clues in the Claremont serial killings appear to have emerged - detailing the type of car driven by the murderer.

Police have established a crime scene at a home in Kewdale, with reports connecting it to the Claremont serial killer. 

According to The Subiaco Post, police believe the killer used a mid-1990s white Holden Commodore VS series 1 to abduct and kill at least two of his victims.

They have linked fibres found on Jane Rimmer's body to the upholstery of a car matching that description.

The newspaper also reports the killer had some link to screen-printing and had a way of "printing coloured words and patterns on fabric such as T-shirts". 

After years of apparent inaction on the unsolved case, these are the latest clues to be revealed by the Post, which identified a link between the killer and the rape of a woman in Karrakatta Cemetery in October.

Home sold after Ciara abducted - Subiaco POST  - 31st December, 2016

By DAVID COHEN

The man accused of murdering Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon sold his Huntingdale home two weeks after Ms Glennon was abducted from Claremont. Bradley Robert Edwards (48) bought a home in Huntingdale’s Fountain Way three years after he allegedly indecently assaulted an 18-year-old woman in the south-eastern suburb. Mr Edwards and Esiuw Culhane sold the Fountain Way property on April 2, 1997, the day before Ms Glennon’s body was discovered in Eglinton. Mr Edwards and his defacto wife Catherine Geneste then bought a fi bro home in Kewdale’s Acton Avenue in July 2000. Police broke down the door early on Thursday, December 22. After 21 hours Mr Edwards was charged with two counts of wilful murder, two of deprivation of liberty, two of aggravated sexual penetration without consent, one of break and enter dwelling with intent, and one of indecent assault.

 Mr Edwards, a Telstra operations manager, said “yes” when asked to confi rm his name by magistrate Evan Shackleton on Friday, December 23 in the Perth Magistrates Court. Mr Edwards, in a red collared shirt with black trim and dark hair parted from the right, appeared calm when barrister Sam Vandongen said his client understood what he was charged with. Police allege Mr Edwards abducted Ms Rimmer from Claremont on June 9, 1996: her body was discovered in Wellard on August 3. It’s also alleged Mr Edwards abducted a 17-year-old girl from Claremont’s Rowe Park on February 12, 1995, forced her into a car, and then sexually assaulted her at Karrakatta Cemetery. Mr Edwards is alleged to have broken into the Huntingdale home on February 15, 1988, and attacked the 18-year-old in her bedroom as she slept. Police said investigations into the disappearance from Claremont and suspected murder of Sarah Spiers in January 1996 were ongoing. “There is still much work to be done … we never give up,” Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan said. Mr Edwards did not apply for bail and is next due in court on January 25.

Weygers deserves apology- Barker

Claremont mayor Jock Barker says his predecessor Peter Weygers deserves a public apology from WA Police and perhaps compensation. Mr Barker said the many Claremont residents he had spoken to since Bradley Robert Edwards was charged with the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon had expressed relief. “The people I feel most for are the families of the girls who disappeared,” Mr Barker said. “There is a sense of relief someone has been charged. “But the judicial process has a long way to go.” Mr Barker, who has been Claremont mayor for seven years, said he worried about his daughters being out in the town at night after the murders. “You’d be concerned if they went to get takeaway,” he said. “It tainted Claremont.” Mr Barker said people leaving flowers at the Claremont Hotel was a wonderful gesture. “A lot’s been lifted from people’s minds,” he said. “The police should be complimented.” But Mr Barker said Mr Weygers, who was Claremont mayor during the murders, deserved a public apology at least. “Anybody wrongly accused, and it going on for years, there is perhaps a case for compensation or at least a public apology,” he said.

 

Vital clues missed in hunt for Claremont serial killer



Sarah Spiers, Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer all disappeared  from Claremont in 1996 and 1997


The scene at the Continental Hotel in Claremont the Saturday night after Ciara Glennon went missing.

View of Continental Hotel in Bay View Terrace the night after the diappearance of Ciara Glennon

 

Sunday, January 01, 2017

The West Australian Newspapeer

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/vital-clues-missed-in-hunt-for-claremont-serial-killer-ng-b88342709zn

Detectives missed three early opportunities that could have led them to the Claremont serial killer in the 1990s, according to The Post newspaper.

The western suburbs paper, which has followed the case closely for 20 years, yesterday reported that the missed leads included clues left on the driver’s licence of a 17-year-old girl who was abducted and raped in 1995, a crime which police now believe was committed by the same offender.

They also included car upholstery samples recovered from the body of second murder victim Jane Rimmer sent to the wrong Chemistry Centre department in 1996 and lost, and a “critical item” overlooked from the body of third victim Ciara Glennon.

The 17-year-old was abducted from Rowe Park opposite the Claremont Showground subway in February 1995, and raped at Karrakatta Cemetery.

Post editor Bret Christian wrote that her attacker handled the victim’s driver’s licence, which was later found discarded by a young local girl.

He reported that detectives investigating the sex assault did not doorknock in the area. It was not until more than a year later when Macro task force investigators looking for the killer of Sarah Spiers and Ms Rimmer did, and obtained the licence.

The second reported missed opportunity was when car upholstery samples recovered from the body of Ms Rimmer were lost. They were found when the Chem Centre moved to Bentley in 2011. When tested, the samples revealed crucial clues.

The third reported missed opportunity was when a critical forensic item from the body of Ms Glennon, murdered in 1997, was overlooked. It was tested in Britain well after 2004 and revealed “the breakthrough clue”.

A WA Police spokeswoman said: “As this matter is now before the courts and there remains an ongoing investigation WA Police will not be making any further comment”.

              Claremont's calendar of tragedy

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Claremont's calendar of tragedy

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1989 Kidnapping and sexual assault in Cottesloe Hotel 

1994 Suspicious behaviour of man involving girl in aHotel Car park in the city of Claremont that was disturbered by brother and husband

1994, October: A woman (31) entered a taxi near Club Bayview. A man hiding in the back of the taxi grabbed her.She jumped out and broke her leg. 

1994, New Year's Day: A man dragged a woman from her car after she left Club Bayview. He attempted to sexually assault her but she fought him off.

1995, February: A girl (17) left Club Bayview - she was tied with electrical cord and left for dead in Karrakatta Cemetery. She had been abducted walking home from the club.

1996 (Jan 27): Sarah Ellen Spiers (18) - never found - first to go missing. She left Club Bayview - last seen in telephone booth, Stirling Highway, Claremont. Police believe a golden sunflower key ring may help find Sarah.

1996 (May 3): Woman (21) indecently assaulted in laneway behind Club Bayview. 2am assailant ripped her skirt off and her head was bashed against a wall six times before she fled.

1996 (Jun 8): Jane Louise Rimmer (23) found murdered in bushland at Wellard, 35km south of Perth, last seen Continental Hotel.

1997 (Mar 14): Ciara Eilish Glennon (27) disappeared from Stirling Highway, Claremont. Had been at the Continental Hotel that night. Body found at Eglinton, 45km north of Perth, on April 3. Missing from the body: a silver Claddagh brooch.

2000 (Nov 8): Sarah McMahon (20) disappeared. Left her Stirling Highway workplace 5pm Friday, disappeared, her car found abandoned at Swan Districts Hospital in Middle Swan.


http://www.australianmissingpersonsr...com/Spiers.htm


Unsolved WA

Kerry Tate, 22 , body burnt on tre stump , December 1979 murdered.

Lisa Mott , 12, last seen in Collie , October 1980 , missing.

Sharon Fulton , East Perth Railway Station , 1986 missing.

Cheryl Renwick , 33 , disappeared from South Perth Unit , 26 May 1986 missing.

Sally Greenham , 20 , August 1987 , Adelaide Terrace Perth , missing.

Julie Cutler , 22 , last seen at Parmelia Hilton Hotel , 20 June 1988 , car found in surf Missing.

Barbara Westorn , found in bushland north-east of Canning Dam , Perth , murdered.

Kelly Turner , 18 , body found near Canning Dam , July 1991 murdered.

Radina Dujkid , 14 , last seen at her North Beach Unit , 16 May 1992 , missing.

Cariad Anderson-Slater , 41 , last seen at dawn exiting a taxi in Perth , 13 July 1992.

Petronella Albert , 21 , Broome area , 17 July 1992 missing.

Hayley Dodd , Badgingarra , 17 July , 1999 missing.

Lisa Govan , 28 , last seen at 7.30am , Kalgoorlie , 8 October 1999 , missing.

Deborah Anderson last seen January 25 January 2000 , car found burning with body in front seat at Middle Swan Shopping Centre , murdered.

Sarah McMahon , 20 , last seen in Claremont , November 8 , 2000 , her car was found unlocked in hospital car park , November 20 , missing.

Lisa Brown , 19 , street prostitute , last seen on a Perth Street at 12.30am , November 10 1998 , missing.

Darylyn Ugle , 25 , street prostitute , body found at Mundaring Weir , April 2003 murdered.

Sally Beatrix Greenham Date of Disappearance - 08/20/1987

http://missingandmurderedaustralia.blogspot.ie/1987/08/sally-beatrix-greenham.html

Sally Beatrix Greenham

Sally Beatrix Greenham Height (cm):166 Hair Colour:Brown Eye Colour:Brown Build:Slim Date of Disappearance:1987/08/20 Town/City:Perth State: WA Country:Australia Features Sightings Information Sally Greenham was a resident of Geraldton. She was allegedly last seen in the early hours of August 20,1987 in Adelaide Terrace, Perth, alighting from a vehicle. Despite extensive inquiries by Police and family and comprehensive media coverage, there has been no information regarding her whereabouts since then. If you have any information or sightings please contact Crimestoppers on 1800 333 000.

Posted by  James Brian at 10:07 PM 

AnonymousOctober 17, 2012 at 6:44 PM

could you please put the info in this link on your site. this guy David Troy Masters has been convicted of a woman's murder in the NT but is known to have murdered a WA woman Victoria Heather Clarke on 20/9/1987 in her Victoria Park flat. he was a resident in the same block of flats at the time. I believe he may have been involved in various unsolved murders/missing from 1986-1991 in WA. the article although dated 1995 gives very clear indication of what hampers police investigations. in separate message I'll post link to another newspaper article which has Masters' photo for all to see. someone might just recognise him and put him in a place police don't know about. http://www.accommodationkatherine.com.au/accommodation-katherine-articles/1995/3/31/how-state-borders-shortarm-the-law/

AnonymousOctober 17, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Another article on David Troy Masters with photo

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9018352/double-murderer-could-be-freed/

Hayley Marie Dodd missing since 29^th July 1999

Serious Witness Ignored by Western Australian Police re the Claremont Seria Killings

Serial kill fear

16 June 2007 in a Sunday Times Special Report, the well known author and journalist, Estelle Blackburn

 

http://netk.net.au/Articles/Estelle1.asp

 

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On 16 June 2007 in a Sunday Times Special Report, the well known author and journalist, Estelle Blackburn reported “Serial kill fear”

Perth author Estelle Blackburn has revealed how she was the victim of brutal domestic violence at the hand of a man she believes could be the Claremont serial killer. I was savagely attacked by a man who I fear could be the Claremont serial killer. My attacker was good looking and charming, and he had unlicensed access to taxis. He lived the other side of Perth, but often stayed with me in my flat in Cottesloe. In the week before Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer went missing, my then boyfriend's personality changed. He seemed to be building up to something. And then he disappeared for several days. On the nights the Claremont killer struck on January 26 and June 9 1996, I didn't know what this man with access to taxis was doing.

A later girlfriend told me that once he had bound and gagged her and put her in his boot, releasing her later in bush with water nearby. While assaulting and abusing her, he threatened to kill her and said, pointing to the water that there was ``another blonde bitch down there''. And the day before Ciara Glennon's body was found in bushland north of Perth, I was stalked by my then ex-boyfriend who was driving a taxi. When I put in a report to Claremont Police Station, homicide officers visited me and questioned me, the main focus being on whether he had given me particular pieces of jewellery. He hadn't - but he was a regular buyer and seller at Cash Converters, as he was at car yards, often changing his car.

I had reported him and nothing happened. He continued his violence with two more women until one was braver than me and made a complaint that had him jailed for stalking and threatening to kill. He was jailed in May 2000.

Despite breaking parole last year, he was paroled again earlier this year. Her home was installed with round-the-clock video surveillance. I've made my own costly security arrangements. She has gained a long-term restraining order and I understand other women have taken out restraining orders since he was paroled.

Through three years of living with the fear, stress and physical pain and injury of a violent man who seemed impossible to escape from, I hadn't taken any notice of the taxis left at his home for him to service overnight. He was a mechanic. Nor had I taken any notice of the taxi I saw in my rear-vision mirror this night, when I was stopped at the Oats St rail crossing. There were no occupants but the driver, and no other cars around. I felt confident that he wasn't stalking me tonight as he had been for the past month since I finally stood up to him.

Now, as well as the fear evoked by his voice on the phone telling me in detail the unusual route I had taken home from a dance in Carlisle, and telling me he had been driving the taxi, the ghastly realisation gripped me.

It was Wednesday April 2, 1997, two weeks after Ciara Glennon had gone missing while walking along Stirling Highway, Claremont, trying to hail a taxi. I kept tying to convince myself there could be no link between this and the other two victims of the Claremont killer, Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, who had both been planning to get taxis home. Taxi drivers had been thoroughly investigated by the Macro Taskforce. But what about other people who had unlicensed access to them?

After the taxi stalking 10 years ago, I checked with his then girlfriend about the night that Ciara Glennon went missing. Although she provided an alibi for him and although he must have been eliminated by the police investigation, I still have niggling concerns. A pre-sentence report on him, available to the public on the law report website, is chilling:

" . . . has an escalating pattern of violent offending which targets women. He has shown no remorse or empathy for his victim, but instead sees himself as a victim and manifests periodic emotional instability stemming from a narcissistic personality style. Such individuals have suffered from a lack of admiration in their formative years, which predisposes them to seek admiration in later life. Because they have fragile egos, these individuals are highly prone to distress when their sense of pride is injured by life stresses.

"At such times their behaviour can become disorganised. Their resultant behaviour reflects attempts to restore a sense of pride and esteem, and can involve personal attacks on others who are perceived as injuring them. In the present case, it appears that the thwarting of his need for admiration, by a slight or rejection, can trigger emotional instability and verbal aggression.

"The fragility manifested by such individuals is a personality feature, which is not readily ameliorated. Their pattern of coping is unlikely to alter in the absence of insight and the undertaking of significant personal therapeutic work he is not a suitable candidate for psychological counselling on account of his defensiveness and unwillingness to accept responsibility for his behaviour.''

I was a victim of that behaviour, an experience that I would never have dreamed would come my way. While I didn't live with him, I was trapped in the web of domestic violence. I had been caught by what I now know to be fairly standard tactics - charming, fun, loving, caring behaviour until you're in the trap. Then it starts.

I couldn't have been more surprised when it did - even though he had been facing some charges of violence against a former girlfriend when I met him. They included assault, threatening to kill her and threatening to kill a detective. I believed his explanation and cries of innocence, and although he was convicted by a jury, I felt my judgment was vindicated by the minimal suspended sentence the judge gave him.

The discovery in December 1994 that I had been taken in by his lies was a terrifying experience. A rock-hard fist landed with a stinging crack on my jaw, sending searing pain through my head. I heard a loud crunch as my neck suddenly jerked around. I stumbled with the force of the blow and the wretched shock as my understanding of the world was instantaneously shattered. His face was as hard as his fist, his soft, charming features changed to those of a stranger. This man's ice-cold, steely-eyed look was unrecognisable. His iron fist landed again on my jaw and his spittle splattered my face.

He had been drinking and playing chess with a mate when I arrived at his unit. His incomprehensible anger erupted from nowhere and he became a rampaging stranger, a strong bull against whom I was totally defenceless. He punched a hole in the door and raged at me, swearing, grabbing me by the hair and yanking it in a violent fury. His friend just stood there as he punched me and threatened to kill me. He clenched his hands around my throat, squeezing hard until I couldn't breathe, only releasing his grip at what felt like the last second, when my lungs had just about stopped their struggle.

He grabbed a knife from the kitchen and held it to my throat, then pushed the shards of a glass he had smashed to my mouth, screaming that he would make me eat them. There was nothing I could do against this powerful force. I could barely believe it was happening; it was such a total change, out of nowhere. Nor could I believe that his mate wasn't helping me. But at least he was there, a witness, and I tried to elicit some hope of survival from that - until the raging maniac ordered his friend to leave. I was now facing the violence alone.

He locked and chained the door before pulling the phone connection out of the wall. I was totally at his mercy; my years of teenage jujutsu training were nothing against his bulk, strength and sudden insanity. I had no chance of getting to the door and unchaining and unlocking it, and no chance of outrunning him even if I did escape. As he grabbed my hair and dragged me to the bedroom, screaming that he would kill me, I submitted. So this was it. This was what it was like to be murdered.

Immersed in researching and writing about murder for my book Broken Lives, I accepted I was now to experience it first-hand. My body was on fire from the punches and strangling, but I was still alive when, some interminable time later, his rage finally exhausted itself.

I was desperate to leave, to escape from this nightmare and wake up somewhere safe. But I was also terrified that any attempt to escape would set him off again, and it would take some time to unchain and unlock the door and run away through the dark, isolated car park. I decided to stay and pretended to fall asleep as though nothing had happened. In reality, I lay awake all night, hurting, burning, aching as if I'd been in a car crash; terrified that he might wake up and renew his rage.

The next morning he was back to normal, the man I knew. It was as if the switch that had turned him into a monster had turned off again. He was apologetic and wept, begging me to forgive him. 
I drove him to his doctor in Rivervale, where he admitted everything, saying he was sorry and didn't understand why he had done it. The doctor made phone calls to have him admitted to Graylands mental hospital. But the hospital wouldn't take him. I was alarmed, but convinced it would still be fine when the doctor arranged instead for him to see a psychiatrist.

His remorse and pleadings for forgiveness seemed genuine; I was too innocent about domestic violence to know this was part of the perpetrator's routine. The bouts continued, always followed by total remorse, and attended by constant controlling behaviour and threats to kill me if I left, including telling me that one day my car would blow up.

Several violent episodes were in public, with witness around, at the Hyde Park Hotel, at the Embassy Ballroom, at my home when I ran to my neighbour. I spent many nights hiding out, renting a room at what used to be the nurses' quarters at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital, kept pepper spray with me and had a series of sheets tied to the foot of the bed in case I had to escape from my first-storey flat window.

Once, when he rang and announced he was coming to kill me, I rang two of his friends for help, making me too late to get away in time. He was at the door. Forewarned, I had slipped some pepper spray through my belt. When he grabbed me in a vice-like grip around the neck and attempted to frogmarch me inside, no doubt to a repeat of my previous horrors, I sprayed him at close range. I escaped his grip and ran out to the front of the flats, where two men in a truck were about to deliver bottled spring water. They let me inside to the safety of the cab and I used their phone to dial the emergency number.

How glad I was to see the police, who took notes from witnesses after he had run off. But after threatening messages among the pleading ones he left on my answer machine, I was too frightened to press charges and didn't proceed with the restraining order I took out the next day.

I noticed his violence escalate in February 1997. One night, I arrived home from dancing to find a blackout. Discovering that the fuses had been pulled out, I replaced them and carefully checked around my home with the pepper spray at the ready, looking in cupboards, under the bed and behind curtains. He was hiding under my computer desk, saying he had planned to smother me while I was asleep.

On Wednesday March 5, 1997, he attacked me for the last time. I finally stood up to him, as I should have the first time, after he again punched me and bashed my head against the wall. He used every trick he had used before -- cajoling, begging, crying, threatening, stalking, terrorising. But this time I, at last, found the strength to withstand it and risk the consequences.

Five days later, on Monday March 10, he threatened me and punched a dent in the roof of my parked car. On Wednesday, March 12, he came into the Embassy Ballroom, threatening me again and twice tried to stop me getting away by blocking the road with his car. None of it worked this time. He has lost his power over me.

Two days later, on Friday March 14, Ciara Glennon disappeared. I did what I could in reporting him to the police and I assume they investigated and eliminated him, but I still have a niggling concern. I declined a national publisher's approach to write a book about the Claremont killings a few years ago, believing it was too sensitive for the victims' families. But I have written about my experience and concerns in my latest book - The End of Innocence - which goes into why and how I wrote Broken Lives.

My grim personal experience helped me describe serial killer Eric Edgar Cooke and understand the experiences of his wife and his victims. I know I will never allow myself to be a victim of domestic violence again. And I urge every woman who hasn't escaped as I finally did, to walk away at the first episode, as I was advised, and to make use of the services available to help.

On Friday, a police spokesman told The Sunday Times: "WA Police can confirm that the MACRO Taskforce did receive some information from Estelle Blackburn, but it is our policy not to comment on whether individuals have or haven't been investigated by MACRO.''

Source: 16 June 2007 Sunday Times Special Report: Estelle Blackburn “Serial kill fear”

 

 

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Musings about Debi Marshall - The Devils Garden - Part 2 of 2

Page 184 - Con Bayens who headed up Operarion Bounty gets a mention. The recent Sunday Night epsiode is all here. It's almost verbatim. It is apparent that recent story was rehashed from this book.

I wonder if this was Donald Morey (the prime suspect in the Sarah McMahon case). I also wonder where this whole thing went? Did they do any surveillance on this guy because he looked good to go. Did they interview him for Lisa Brown and other prostitutes that went missing?

Page 192 - Apparently a man named Frank Silas and two other men who called themselves CARK (Citizens for Apprehension of the Real Killer) called a press conference because they weren't happy happy with Macro's inaction.

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THE serial killer behind the 1994 Claremont murders may be leaving clues ... Page 192 - Apparently aman named Frank Silas and two other men who called themselves CARK (Citizens forApprehension of the Real Killer) called a press conference because they weren't happy happywith Macro's inaction.

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Did the Western Australian Police and the Macro Task Force  thoroughly investigated Frank Silas’s Claremont Serial Killer  suspect?

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Did the Western Australian Police and the Macro Task Force  thoroughly investigated Frank Silas’s Claremont Serial Killer  suspect?

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG, ... With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses. With the ..

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THE serial killer behind the 1994 Claremont murders may be ... I wonder if this was Donald Morey (the prime suspect in the Sarah McMahon case). ... Page 192 - Apparently a man named Frank Silasand two other men who ...

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03-01-2017  potr 

 Originally Posted by b4u 

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG,
I can envisage that one of his line's of defence will be to refer to The Post Newspaper article 2001/09/01 "We know the Claremont Killer" posted in this forum about 6 months ago
https://www.dropbox.com/s/14fibheszg...iller.pdf?dl=0 (I've copied parts of this article below)

With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses.
With the ex-workmate (+female partner) that Frank Silas reported to police, and that the Police reportedly, and belatedly investigated, to be drawn into the case.

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The apparent lack of media referral to anything to do with Frank Silas, the CARK or this 2001 article, raises questions about the potential for a massive coverup of something about this case, and will do nothing to allay any suspicions or rumours of BRE potentially being falsely accused of some of the charges that have already been laid.

Apparently, Debbie Marshall's book "The Devils Garden" refers to Frank Silas and CARK on p192 (I'll report back on what Devil's Garden says about this after I get around to purchasing it).

Assuming the reports are bona fide, it appears that there was a suspect with no Alibi, that was not followed up on until after the physical remnants of a potential fight with CG on the night of her disappearance would have long gone.

Wonder whether Silas or other members of CARK are still alive, and if not, what happened to them before or after this 2001 article?

Any theories on why any of the CARK reported story might not be true and why?

Anyone know any more about CARK and it's members?

this is a summary of the 2 pages that make up chapter 50 in debi's book (page 192 and 193) I am not sure if it is revisited, its been a looooong time since i read it.

• after the 3 disappearances more than 12 people are repeatedly nominated.
• 3 men concerned that their claims were not being taken seriously called a press conference
• frank silas claimed the man had worked until 10pm the night of Ciara Glennon's abduction, carried a knife and had pointed it at him...plus the other details you have already noted. in addition he had been sacked for assaulting a female co-worker..he was apparently later re-employed
• frank silas said he had first seen him weeks before (and before he started working with him) and that the man and his girlfriend (at around 2 am)offered lifts to young women waiting in the taxi rank in claremont
• frank silas said he was also offered a lift and accepted, in the car the man talked about going bush to a dope crop, and he left the vehicle soon after.
• he named the man (not named by debi) and said he concluded that the man and his girlfriend had worked as a team.
• he made his suspicions known days after ciara was found, but was not interviewd until about 8 months after.
• he had apparently spent 4 years trying to obtain the attention of the powers that be including various police officers, the commissioner and minister and showed much correspondence of his claims (some of it accusing the police of ineptitude) and police
responses including defending the qualities and qualifications required of their detectives

• apparently caporn later responded to media requests, talking of the enormous efforts the police had gone to to placate mr silas
• he further stated sarcastically that he felt sorry for mr silas, because the issue was "taking a large space in his life"
• another person after mr silas had threatened to publish details about the man "because we wouldn't arrest this person for the claremont murders"

• macro insider reported that these types of interactions irked caporn using the metaphor: "he was busy enough putting out fires that existed, let alone ones that arsonists had started just so they could watch them burn".

let me kow if there are any other parts of interest.

 

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5 P.110

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306032-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-5/page110

08-10-2016 88mph 

Originally Posted by MyLeftFoot 

“My thoughts......
I think there is a short list and he is on it.
1.Why did the killings stop? Did they? 
We have many missing women you won't find on the crimestoppers site. Even unsolved murders we do know about aren't on the site. We have many missing sex workers that are just assumed to have moved interstate using different names. No one knows what really happened to them. 
How do we know he just hasn't targeted easier victims? There is nothing to say he hasn't changed his MO.
I think he cooled his heels after CG because that didn't go to plan. I think CG put up a damn good fight (God bless her) and he had to rethink his tactics.
2. I think they are close. They don't need the public, or think they don't.
3. I have my doubts about MAP (assuming it is in reference to SD)
If he was the CSK, he would have had an alibi ready. 
The CSK may not be academically bright but he is as cunning as a sewer rat. He'd be alibi ready. IMO”

Agree that he's on the short list.

1. The killings stopped.
2. They've been allowed to keep the case open with no inquest.

08-10-2016 CSK?

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

“Also note that a serial killer hasn't turned up anywhere else in Australia.”

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

Also note that a serial killer hasn't turned up anywhere else in Australia.

 

08-10-2016 aequitas 

There is potentially one before the courts, but there are suppression orders in place.#

 

10-08-2016 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by CSK? 

“A 'known' serial killer hasn't turned up. There are currently more than likely up to half a dozen serial killers operating in Australia. Maybe more.”

No doubt there's a few, but.....
1. The general consensus is the CSK is motivated by sex as opposed to killing. He's probably killing the girls to avoid detection and his main game is rape rather than sexually getting off on killing people. So this guy probably isn't just running around and killing anyone. 
2. To do what he does undetected he would have to move around a bit. Means he wouldn't be able to hold down a long term job. Everything about the Claremont Murders suggested stability
3. He had some sort of attraction to Claremont. He could have mixed it up and done Subi or Freo but all 3 he chose Claremont. Maybe he's local but more telling is his choice of victims - well heeled girls who to him may be unobtainable. Is this guy going to switch up to street hookers? Even if you get two or three go missing from one patch, it gets noticed. There may be a high amount of itinerant drug users but they still have friends who would notice if they vanished.
I couldn't be sure but I think our guy has been dormant since CG.

10-08-2016 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by MyLeftFoot 

“I have my doubts about MAP. If he was the CSK, he would have had an alibi ready. 
The CSK may not be academically bright but he is as cunning as a sewer rat. He'd be alibi ready. IMO.”

I have my doubts too, just as I do with LW, but a lot of things fit with MAP. He's still high on my list.

I'm not sure about the alibi thing though. If you don't have one, you don't have one. And it's hard to get one if you don't have one. And risky.

An alibi means some sort of evidence;

- eye witnesses willing to back your story
- cameras that capture you somewhere
- receipts saying you were somewhere
- mobile phone GPS that shows you were somewhere

Very hard to fabricate. Also consider the alibi needs to be from 12am to 4/5am. Very hard to actually have one unless you're interstate/overseas, or have a bed mate (wife/lover etc).

10-08-2016 crabstick

Police have the commodore fibres, but there is nothing to say there was multiple vehicles used in each abduction, and overall in each abduction. Obviously police would think so. They pulled up POIs in example Hyundai etc. 

So police have fibres, DNA, and some plastic coated chord. I think Telstra technicians fitting in house cable networks may have used commodore station wagons. Vans arent conducive always to underground car parks in multi-story buildings. Although the van was used at Karrakatta according reports. 

From the description of the plastic coated rope, it would be lubricated with chemicals that assist it to draw phone cable through conduits in tight bends.

So it could be a Telstra technician with access to multiple vehicles day to day. A Telstra technician that taps victims phones maybe ???

Last edited by crabstick; 10-08-2016 at 06:42 AM.

08-10-2016 Parkie 

Quote Crabstick; So police have fibres, DNA, and some plastic coated chord. End Quote. I think the clothes line cord might have been rope fibrous on the inside. Hence the likelihood of the plastic cracking over time & the ink getting on the Fibrous rope inner support. A chord is a term used in music.

Could the CSK have worked near or not too far from Claremont. Hence Frank Silas`s suspect? Could he also have worked not far from Highgate & knocked off at 6- 6.30 pm shift & gone hunting one suburb over? Hence a poster has mentioned that Street walkers might have been assumed to have shoved off interstate yet may not have done so.

08-10-2016 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by crabstick 

Police have the commodore fibres,

Allegedly. Police have never said this. It's only been reported by The Post. Apparently they lost them, found them, lost them and then found them again.

but there is nothing to say there was multiple vehicles used in each abduction, and overall in each abduction.

But it's highly unlikely.

Obviously police would think so. They pulled up POIs in example Hyundai etc.

???? LW was a suspect in 1998. Well before they allegedly discovered the Commodore fibres. 

A Telstra technician that taps victims phones maybe ???

Sounds legit. He probably tapped CG's phone and she told her sister she would be walking along Stirling Hwy on Friday night at 12:02am. With this information he was able to lay in wait.

 08-10-2016 Bartholemeu

Originally Posted by Parkie 

Could the CSK have worked near or not too far from Claremont. Hence Frank Silas`s suspect?

Yes but we'd have to assume they thoroughly investigated FS's suspect.

Could he also have worked not far from Highgate & knocked off at 6- 6.30 pm shift & gone hunting one suburb over? Hence a poster has mentioned that Street walkers might have been assumed to have shoved off interstate yet may not have done so.

Starts off targeting well heeled girls who are unobtainable to most
Focuses only on Claremont when there were alternatives available
Then switches up and targets the complete opposite - the most attainable girls.

I think it's unlikely. Possible but unlikely.

08-10-2016 crabstick 

A Telstra technician with telephone knowledge could have tapped an analogue mobile phone. Listened to it in their car even. They could of just known they were going to be there on that night. eg. Im going to the tonight. Technician stalks them knowing they'll be there for drinks. Maybe not all, but maybe the main culprit was a stalker who had stalked the girls for a period of time. 

The chemicals don't have to be on the plastic chord from hanging dyed clothing either. The supposed print chemicals could end up on the plastic coated chord by a number of other reasons.
He might have been technician by day, worked nights for Telstra, or have a second job as a barman or bus driver as depicted in mystery man in the JR video.

12.00 is just a time people leave. What time did the Claremont hotel shut?

Last edited by crabstick; 10-08-2016 at 08:45 AM.

Yeah, look at the discussion on police following one POI where police were amazed at the skill in stalking people in the car around the Claremont block in Debbie Marshalls book. The guy was stalking women around the block over and over, just before the police rushed his car. A typical example of stalking people as they came out the buildings, heading for the highway. He for example would have to know they were there. He probably pumped petrol in their parents cars when he was younger, so probably knew them.

Yeah, stalking is a very real possibility, not just theory random off the street grab.

Last edited by crabstick; 10-08-2016 at 09:50 AM.

08-10-2016 CSK?

I agree it is highly possible that the CSK is on a police short list hence why he had stopped because he knows this and deemed the risk too high, and I also find it very unlikely that he would change from "well-to-do posh girls" to common street prostitutes (although possible) but I think there is a chance also that he has never been on the police radar in any way and that he simply "got on" with life, had kids e.t.c he could still maintain a stable job in the Perth area and whip away for a "murder holiday weekend" every few years to target the style of girl he is interested in while remaining undetected. 

Some have suggested the lack of public appeal as a sign that the police have a suspect in mind, but don't forget this is the same police force that has shown nothing but incompetence throughout the entire case, after blowing millions on investigating LW I'm sure they are pretty damn tight with their spending now-a-days. And as with some famous abductions/murders here in Adelaide there has been no public appeal for new information in sometimes up to 25 years. If the police were checking for recent deaths or Perth residents that had moved overseas/interstate after the last known murder then sure they would have a manageable sized list, but if the CSK was just an average Joe then there is nothing at all that would jump out to the police and say "I'm the CSK I'm moving away from Perth" so of course he would never appear on their radar other than just another name on a list.

We have all made the assumption that the CSK is local, it is possible he could "hunt" like Israel Keys, The american serial killer whom lived in Alaska but committed his murders in over 8 states. On long weekends/public holidays he would fly into to a neighboring state then driving to the state of his choice (using cash) committing a murder, driving back, flying out from a neighbor state with absolutely no link to him ever having been in that state where the murder took place. This is not to say the CSK may or may not have grew up in Perth and as unlikely a scenario as it seems it certainly is possible, as proved by Israel Keys.

I think if there were suspects on a police short list then that would be even more of a reason to hold an inquest as was done with the suspects in the Daniel Morcombe murder investigation which ultimately helped lead to Queensland police being able to solve that crime, and the inquest in regards to Sarah Mcmahon which had the main suspect Donald Morey appear at the inquest.

My opinion, The police have no idea who the CSK is whatsoever. He is not or never has been on their radar, he may have died/been incarcerated/moved interstate or simply still remains in Perth raising a family. Serial killers not being able to stop is a complete myth, maybe this guy just got out of it while the getting was good.

Last edited by CSK?; 10-08-2016 at 10:12 PM.

08-10-2016 88mph 

Originally Posted by CSK? 

“I agree it is highly possible that the CSK is on a police short list hence why he had stopped because he knows this and deemed the risk too high, and I also find it very unlikely that he would change from "well-to-do posh girls" to common street prostitutes (although possible) but I think there is a chance also that he has never been on the police radar in any way and that he simply "got on" with life, had kids e.t.c he could still maintain a stable job in the Perth area and whip away for a "murder holiday weekend" every few years to target the style of girl he is interested in while remaining undetected. 
Some have suggested the lack of public appeal as a sign that the police have a suspect in mind, but don't forget this is the same police force that has shown nothing but incompetence throughout the entire case, after blowing millions on investigating LW I'm sure they are pretty damn tight with their spending now-a-days. And as with some famous abductions/murders here in Adelaide there has been no public appeal for new information in sometimes up to 25 years. If the police were checking for recent deaths or Perth residents that had moved overseas/interstate after the last known murder then sure they would have a manageable sized list, but if the CSK was just an average Joe then there is nothing at all that would jump out to the police and say "I'm the CSK I'm moving away from Perth" so of course he would never appear on their radar other than just another name on a list.
We have all made the assumption that the CSK is local, it is possible he could "hunt" like Israel Keys, The american serial killer whom lived in Alaska but committed his murders in over 8 states. On long weekends/public holidays he would fly into to a neighboring state then driving to the state of his choice (using cash) committing a murder, driving back, flying out from a neighbor state with absolutely no link to him ever having been in that state where the murder took place. This is not to say the CSK may or may not have grew up in Perth and as unlikely a scenario as it seems it certainly is possible, as proved by Israel Keys.
I think if there were suspects on a police short list then that would be even more of a reason to hold an inquest as was done with the suspects in the Daniel Morcombe murder investigation which ultimately helped lead to Queensland police being able to solve that crime, and the inquest in regards to Sarah Mcmahon which had the main suspect Donald Morey appear at the inquest.
My opinion, The police have no idea who the CSK is whatsoever. He is not or never has been on their radar, he may have died/been incarcerated/moved interstate or simply still remains in Perth raising a family. Serial killers not being able to stop is a complete myth, maybe this guy just got out of it while the getting was good.”

On what basis could they hold the investigation open for 20 years then?

008-10-2016 Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by crabstick 

A Telstra technician with telephone knowledge could have tapped an analogue mobile phone. Listened to it in their car even. They could of just known they were going to be there on that night. eg. Im going to the tonight. Technician stalks them knowing they'll be there for drinks. Maybe not all, but maybe the main culprit was a stalker who had stalked the girls for a period of time.

1. None of the girls carried mobile phones
2. It's highly unlikely he stalked them for long at all. Maybe all 3 girls from when they left the drinking establishments at best. Anything more than that is moving into tin foil hat territory.

or have a second job as a barman or bus driver as depicted in mystery man in the JR video.

What?

12.00 is just a time people leave. What time did the Claremont hotel shut?

It's pretty safe to say if a pub empties of people then it's closing time. It was licenced until 12am. Closed at 12am.

He for example would have to know they were there.

No he wouldn't. Unsure how you came to this conclusion. Seems like you're running on 45rpm while the rest of us are on 78.

He probably pumped petrol in their parents cars when he was younger, so probably knew them.

Nope. None of the girls were old enough to be driving in the days where they had servo attendants.

Last edited by sillybilly; 10-10-2016 at 04:06 AM. Reason: repaired quote

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia P.4 of 69

 

                                 

                                                                         Claremont's calendar of tragedy
                 " ..The CSK case was headed by *two* corrupt cops in a row. I think any criticism of the WA police at the time is fully warranted..." AusGirl on WebSlueths.com

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?222868-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia/page4&s=cbd0b72c267ffa6089bd00d794bf446c

05-09-2014 Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

Is there an independent thread for a Rayney case here? If not, perhaps we need one, as there's clearly a lot to discuss!! Beyond the murder itself - is it coincidence that a lawyer working cases against police corruption has evidence planted on his wife's corpse? Bit of a can of worms, this whole thing,. perhaps. In any case, after seeing that doco, I have doubts Corryn was a victim of the CSK. Too much variation from his other victims and crime scenes, IMO. 

So then -- was it sheer coincidence that another dead woman -- another one connected with the legal profession, to boot -- can be linked to Weygers? This one, pretty directly - if she was a tenant, he *must* have known her in person. It's just TOO weird. 

The CSK case was headed by *two* corrupt cops in a row. I think any criticism of the WA police at the time is fully warranted. It seems a lot were very dirty indeed. It just makes my teeth grind, to think that the killer of those lovely young women is still out there, perhaps due to some dirty cop not wanting to upset applecarts.. I hope that's not so. But really, after seeing the seed pod fiasco in that doco, I would not be surprised.

1987 a girl was murdered in Victoria Park. Masters raped and murdered 30-year-old Victoria Clarke in her home on Leonard St, Victoria Park, in April 1987.

In May 1991, David Troy Masters also murdered 21-year-old British tourist Fiona Carty in a backpackers’ lodge in Katherine in the Northern Territory.

17^th of February, 1988 an 18-year-old girl was sexually assaulted in the home in Huntingdale

1994, October: A woman (31) entered a taxi near Club Bayview. A man hiding in the back of the taxi grabbed her.She jumped out and broke her leg. 

1994, New Year's Day: A man dragged a woman from her car after she left Club Bayview. He attempted to sexually assault her but she fought him off.

1995, February: A girl (17) left Club Bayview - she was tied with electrical cord and left for dead in Karrakatta Cemetery. She had been abducted walking home from the club.

1996 (Jan 27): Sarah Ellen Spiers (18) - never found - first to go missing. She left Club Bayview - last seen in telephone booth, Stirling Highway, Claremont. Police believe a golden sunflower key ring may help find Sarah.

1996 (May 3): Woman (21) indecently assaulted in laneway behind Club Bayview. 2am assailant ripped her skirt off and her head was bashed against a wall six times before she fled.

1996 (Jun 8): Jane Louise Rimmer (23) found murdered in bushland at Wellard, 35km south of Perth, last seen Continental Hotel.

1997 (Mar 14): Ciara Eilish Glennon (27) disappeared from Stirling Highway, Claremont. Had been at the Continental Hotel that night. Body found at Eglinton, 45km north of Perth, on April 3. Missing from the body: a silver Claddagh brooch.

2000 (Nov 8): Sarah McMahon (20) disappeared. Left her Stirling Highway workplace 5pm Friday, disappeared, her car found abandoned at Swan Districts Hospital in Middle Swan.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsr...com/Spiers.htm

Unsolved WA

Kerry Tate, 22 , body burnt on tre stump , December 1979 murdered.

Lisa Mott , 12, last seen in Collie , October 1980 , missing.

Sharon Fulton , East Perth Railway Station , 1986 missing.

Cheryl Renwick , 33 , disappeared from South Perth Unit , 26 May 1986 missing.

Sally Greenham , 20 , August 1987 , Adelaide Terrace Perth , missing.

Julie Cutler , 22 , last seen at Parmelia Hilton Hotel , 20 June 1988 , car found in surf Missing.

Barbara Westorn , found in bushland north-east of Canning Dam , Perth , murdered.

Kelly Turner , 18 , body found near Canning Dam , July 1991 murdered.

Radina Dujkid , 14 , last seen at her North Beach Unit , 16 May 1992 , missing.

Cariad Anderson-Slater , 41 , last seen at dawn exiting a taxi in Perth , 13 July 1992.

Petronella Albert , 21 , Broome area , 17 July 1992 missing.

Hayley Dodd , Badgingarra , 17 July , 1999 missing.

Lisa Govan , 28 , last seen at 7.30am , Kalgoorlie , 8 October 1999 , missing.

Deborah Anderson last seen January 25 January 2000 , car found burning with body in front seat at Middle Swan Shopping Centre , murdered.

Sarah McMahon , 20 , last seen in Claremont , November 8 , 2000 , her car was found unlocked in hospital car park , November 20 , missing.

Lisa Brown , 19 , street prostitute , last seen on a Perth Street at 12.30am , November 10 1998 , missing.

Darylyn Ugle , 25 , street prostitute , body found at Mundaring Weir , April 2003 murdered.

04-09-2014 PrimeSuspect 

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs

I've read through this thread and this suspect PW hasn't come up. The article is 10 yrs old though.

BTW, I remember when the girls disappeared and the term serial killer was mentioned, there was one suspect interviewed by police, he was a young guy around 30 and he lived with his mother. I remember he spoke to the media and claimed he was innocent. After that, no more disappearances reported. I wondered if it was that guy and if he had gone to ground. JMO

Ausgirl  Enough Is Enough!

PS, Ross and Weygers have been up there on my suspect list for years.. I was sure they'd been discussed here. Maybe it was somewhere else.. Anyways, the connections there are too thick for coincidence, IMO. Plus, he's directly linked to yet another murder:

Mrs Rayney disappeared after an evening boot-scooting class in Bentley on August 7 last year. Her government Fairmont car was found parked in Kershaw Street, Subiaco, a week later with a damaged gearbox. A trail of transmission fluid led police to a deep grave in the centre of nearby King's Park, where her body was exhumed. Police have not disclosed the cause of death or what forensic clues were found on her body. Mr Weygers said the Crime Stoppers report he was shown had the address of an eastern suburbs house written on the bottom. "I said: 'That's my tenant'."

http://netk.net.au/Rayney/Rayney29.asp

Does coincidence follow this guy like a swarm of summer flies? I dun think so.

Ausgirl  Enough Is Enough!

Weyger also was accused of sexually harassing four women while employed as a school psychologist, fought the charges for 8 years and apparently won on appeal:

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/edi.../pdf/paper.pdf (pg 7 & 125)

So is this yet another coincidence? That he is unlucky enough to be victimised by four separate women for the same thing. 

Or does he have enough friends in high places to make sure he never faces consequences.

Last edited by Ausgirl; 09-04-2014 at 06:43 PM.

Everything I have posted at this website, past or present, represents my opinion or my understanding of events based on facts that are publicly available.

Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

Claremont's calendar of tragedy

1994, October: A woman (31) entered a taxi near Club Bayview. A man hiding in the back of the taxi grabbed her.She jumped out and broke her leg. 

1994, New Year's Day: A man dragged a woman from her car after she left Club Bayview. He attempted to sexually assault her but she fought him off.

1995, February: A girl (17) left Club Bayview - she was tied with electrical cord and left for dead in Karrakatta Cemetery. She had been abducted walking home from the club.

1996 (Jan 27): Sarah Ellen Spiers (18) - never found - first to go missing. She left Club Bayview - last seen in telephone booth, Stirling Highway, Claremont. Police believe a golden sunflower key ring may help find Sarah.

1996 (May 3): Woman (21) indecently assaulted in laneway behind Club Bayview. 2am assailant ripped her skirt off and her head was bashed against a wall six times before she fled.

1996 (Jun 8): Jane Louise Rimmer (23) found murdered in bushland at Wellard, 35km south of Perth, last seen Continental Hotel.

1997 (Mar 14): Ciara Eilish Glennon (27) disappeared from Stirling Highway, Claremont. Had been at the Continental Hotel that night. Body found at Eglinton, 45km north of Perth, on April 3. Missing from the body: a silver Claddagh brooch.

2000 (Nov 8): Sarah McMahon (20) disappeared. Left her Stirling Highway workplace 5pm Friday, disappeared, her car found abandoned at Swan Districts Hospital in Middle Swan.


http://www.australianmissingpersonsr...com/Spiers.htm


Unsolved WA

Kerry Tate, 22 , body burnt on tre stump , December 1979 murdered.

Lisa Mott , 12, last seen in Collie , October 1980 , missing.

Sharon Fulton , East Perth Railway Station , 1986 missing.

Cheryl Renwick , 33 , disappeared from South Perth Unit , 26 May 1986 missing.

Sally Greenham , 20 , August 1987 , Adelaide Terrace Perth , missing.

Julie Cutler , 22 , last seen at Parmelia Hilton Hotel , 20 June 1988 , car found in surf Missing.

Barbara Westorn , found in bushland north-east of Canning Dam , Perth , murdered.

Kelly Turner , 18 , body found near Canning Dam , July 1991 murdered.

Radina Dujkid , 14 , last seen at her North Beach Unit , 16 May 1992 , missing.

Cariad Anderson-Slater , 41 , last seen at dawn exiting a taxi in Perth , 13 July 1992.

Petronella Albert , 21 , Broome area , 17 July 1992 missing.

Hayley Dodd , Badgingarra , 17 July , 1999 missing.

Lisa Govan , 28 , last seen at 7.30am , Kalgoorlie , 8 October 1999 , missing.

Deborah Anderson last seen January 25 January 2000 , car found burning with body in front seat at Middle Swan Shopping Centre , murdered.

Sarah McMahon , 20 , last seen in Claremont , November 8 , 2000 , her car was found unlocked in hospital car park , November 20 , missing.

Lisa Brown , 19 , street prostitute , last seen on a Perth Street at 12.30am , November 10 1998 , missing.

Darylyn Ugle , 25 , street prostitute , body found at Mundaring Weir , April 2003 murdered.

Everything I have posted at this website, past or present, represents my opinion or my understanding of events based on facts that are publicly available.

Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

Originally Posted by PrimeSuspect 

This bit from your link -

He believed the fact that he was later driving a friend’s former taxi wrongly led police to him

He'd been driving around in 'friend's' 'former taxi'??!!!  This guy seems to work in tandem with others, SR for one, maybe someone else in the Rayney case. jmo

The husband was the prime suspect in the Rayney case and was arrested but later acquitted - prime suspect, apparently, as blood was found in the home... which just happened to be owned by a major suspect in the Claremont murders... go figure.

Lloyd Rayney just this week called for a cold case review of his wife's murder.


Corryn Rayney, a Supreme Court registrar, disappeared after an evening bootscooting class in the southern Perth suburb of Bentley on August 7, 2007. Her body was found buried head-first nine days later in Kings Park near the heart of Perth’s central business district.

It was the prosecution’s unsuccessful case that Mr Rayney killed his wife at home while one of their daughters was asleep upstairs and the other was due home shortly from a music concert. The prosecution at the trial alleged he drove her body to Kings Park once the second daughter came home and was in bed.
 Judge Brian Martin, presiding over the trial, concluded that Corryn Rayney was attacked outside her home. A pollen expert at the trial said nasal swabs suggested she took her last breaths at Kings Park.

In his verdict, Justice Martin highlighted that not only had the prosecution failed to prove its case, it also failed to disprove an alternative scenario. He said it was possible Corryn Rayney had been the victim of a sexually motivated attack.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...482f8030618154

OH -- and there's a doco "The Lloyd Rayney story"!!! Wow-- hopefully someone here will have seen this program. 

The state appealed the decision, but the WA Court of Appeal dismissed the application in September last year.

Mr Rayney is still facing charges of bugging his estranged wife’s telephone.

Channel Seven last night declined to say whether Mr Rayney had any control over what was included, or not included, in the 90-minute program The Lloyd Rayney Story which will be shown on Thursday night.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1227025788446

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Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

Aug 31

A 49-YEAR-OLD man linked to Corryn Rayney's 2007 murder by her husband's defence team is facing court accused of attacking a Perth woman.

THE man, who cannot be named, is charged with deprivation of liberty, indecent assault and assault occasioning bodily harm.http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...482f8030618154

Everything I have posted at this website, past or present, represents my opinion or my understanding of events based on facts that are publicly available.

PrimeSuspect Registered User

Originally Posted by Ausgirl 

The husband was the prime suspect in the Rayney case and was arrested but later acquitted - prime suspect, apparently, as blood was found in the home... which just happened to be owned by a major suspect in the Claremont murders... go figure.

Lloyd Rayney just this week called for a cold case review of his wife's murder.


Corryn Rayney, a Supreme Court registrar, disappeared after an evening bootscooting class in the southern Perth suburb of Bentley on August 7, 2007. Her body was found buried head-first nine days later in Kings Park near the heart of Perth’s central business district.

It was the prosecution’s unsuccessful case that Mr Rayney killed his wife at home while one of their daughters was asleep upstairs and the other was due home shortly from a music concert. The prosecution at the trial alleged he drove her body to Kings Park once the second daughter came home and was in bed. Judge Brian Martin, presiding over the trial, concluded that Corryn Rayney was attacked outside her home. A pollen expert at the trial said nasal swabs suggested she took her last breaths at Kings Park.

In his verdict, Justice Martin highlighted that not only had the prosecution failed to prove its case, it also failed to disprove an alternative scenario. He said it was possible Corryn Rayney had been the victim of a sexually motivated attack.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...482f8030618154

OH -- and there's a doco "The Lloyd Rayney story"!!! Wow-- hopefully someone here will have seen this program. 

The state appealed the decision, but the WA Court of Appeal dismissed the application in September last year.

Mr Rayney is still facing charges of bugging his estranged wife’s telephone.

Channel Seven last night declined to say whether Mr Rayney had any control over what was included, or not included, in the 90-minute program The Lloyd Rayney Story which will be shown on Thursday night.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1227025788446

This is the promo for Lloyd Rayney story, hopefully we can find it online after its aired in Perth. They mention two men should have been investigated. One maybe the guy you've posted below Ausgirl and the other... hmmmm?

https://youtu.be/mVoRyOXPoGA

09-05-2014PrimeSuspect 

It's already up if I'd looked further down

https://youtu.be/91Z7zsP9frY

The Lloyd Rayney story.

Oddsocks 

 Originally Posted by PrimeSuspect 

It's already up if I'd looked further down. 

https://youtu.be/91Z7zsP9frY The Lloyd Rayney story.

That was a really good documentary thanks prime

05-09-2015PrimeSuspect 

 Originally Posted by Oddsocks 

That was a really good documentary thanks prime

It was Oddsocks , very disappointing about the cops doing the investigation. smh I hope Lloyd and his girls get to see the culprits caught and imprisoned soon. 

Also thanks to Ausgirl who alerted me to this doco and how it ties in with PW too, suspect in the Claremont murders. I read all about Rayney, but obviously most I thought I knew were lies. 

05-09-2014 Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

Is there an independent thread for a Rayney case here? If not, perhaps we need one, as there's clearly a lot to discuss!! Beyond the murder itself - is it coincidence that a lawyer working cases against police corruption has evidence planted on his wife's corpse? Bit of a can of worms, this whole thing,. perhaps. In any case, after seeing that doco, I have doubts Corryn was a victim of the CSK. Too much variation from his other victims and crime scenes, IMO. 

So then -- was it sheer coincidence that another dead woman -- another one connected with the legal profession, to boot -- can be linked to Weygers? This one, pretty directly - if she was a tenant, he *must* have known her in person. It's just TOO weird. 

The CSK case was headed by *two* corrupt cops in a row. I think any criticism of the WA police at the time is fully warranted. It seems a lot were very dirty indeed. It just makes my teeth grind, to think that the killer of those lovely young women is still out there, perhaps due to some dirty cop not wanting to upset applecarts.. I hope that's not so. But really, after seeing the seed pod fiasco in that doco, I would not be surprised.

06-09-2014 Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

Thread for Corryn here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ghlight=rayney

06-09-2014 hateyrgutsloveyrface 

Lisa Brown bears a passing resemblance to the other victims. However, unlike the other victims she was not affluent; considering she was working as a street worker - the area she disappeared from is usually full of prostituted women.

I took have doubts about Rayney being connected. Is anyone else familiar with Estelle Blackburn's book? In it she highlights her abusive partner who had access to taxis and was jailed. After his incarceration, the murders apparently stopped.

However, in the documentary I recall watching about it - one of the victims was picked up by a white sedan I believe and not a taxi? Not only that, but I don't think that a domestic abuser would necessarily go for strangers (as they are usually quite good at hiding their other side, so to speak,) and from what we know about the isolated location of the victims bodies it indicates a fairly decent level of premeditation/organisation.

Thinking of BTK - he killed the young in his youth, had a very long cooling off period and then resumed many years later with slightly older victims who were easier to overpower. Could the CSK be undergoing his long cooling off period and start resuming soon? It's been nearly ten years since they started so it is a possibility (however remote.)

27-12-2014 Parkie 

Quote; It's been nearly ten years since they started so it is a possibility (however remote.) 
It`s actually 18 years & coming up to 19 soon. :/ Jan 26 1996

Double killer David Troy Masters to spend another three years in jail

PHIL HICKEY, PerthNow March 7, 2015

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/double-killer-david-troy-masters-to-spend-another-three-years-in-jail/news-story/caabadc94c068367a745b2fea510be56

British Student Fiona Carty who was murdered my David Troy Masters

A DOUBLE murderer who killed two women more than 20 years ago will spend at least another three years in a WA jail after being denied parole this week.

David Troy Masters. Photo courtesy of Australian Police Journal

David Troy Masters, 49, has spent the past 24 years incarcerated for murders he committed in 1987 and 1991.

Masters raped and murdered 30-year-old Victoria Clarke in her home on Leonard St, Victoria Park, in April 1987.

Masters had broken into Ms Clarke’s flat while she was out.

When she came home, he raped and strangled her.

Within a month of her murder, he fled to Queensland, where he was born.

In May 1991, Masters murdered 21-year-old British tourist Fiona Carty in a backpackers’ lodge in Katherine in the Northern Territory.

Masters had also strangled her after attempting to rape her.

He was arrested and charged with Ms Carty’s murder in June 1991.

He was sentenced to life in jail for the murder and attempted rape of Ms Carty.

In 1998, he was extradited to WA and handed a second life imprisonment term for killing Ms Clarke, with a seven-year non-parole period.

The judge who jailed Masters for the murder of Ms Clarke described the killing as “savage and unrelenting”.

“I would not have contemplated that you would ever be released on parole,” the judge said.

This week, the WA Prisoner’s Review Board (PRB) handed a report to Attorney-General Michael Mischin recommending Masters not be released.

The board must compile a report on his suitability for release every three years.

On Tuesday, a spokeswoman for Mr Mischin said: “The Attorney-General has today accepted a recommendation by the PRB not to release Mr Masters to parole.”

WA Police Superintendent John Lindley, who investigated Ms Clarke’s murder in 1991 as a detective with the homicide squad, said he was pleased with the decision.

“It is heartening to know that the parole board members have given due consideration to this man’s past history in relation to the circumstances of the crimes he committed, his rehabilitation and suitability to assimilate within society,” he said.

“They should be recognised for their leadership role and decision in this instance.”

Masters will not be considered for early release again until 2018.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10/page4

03-01-2017 papertrail  Originally Posted by Mo Joe 

KK was 17. Officially, what age would a victim be in WA, before a perp is described as a ped?

http://www.lawstuff.org.au/wa_law/topics/sex/article

03-01-2017  SherlockSleuth 

Seems odd to me that be (doesn't deserve capital letters in my book) never ran overseas. Assuming he's guilty of course. Perhaps thought he'd never be caught?

Also have been wondering if someone who's worked with these types before can provide some insight.... is a 'person' like this capable of feeling any remorse for what they've put the families of the victims through? Do they *ever* have a day/moment where they feel awful? I feel sick in the guts when I think of poor old Don Spiers wading through a swamp in the middle of the night looking for his daughter. It'd make anyone cry if they actually stopped and thought carefully about that. Do these guys ever have moments of clarity/humanity?

03-01-2017 CP345 

 Originally Posted by lampformypath 

This is getting curious-er and curious-er!? Good research work there Klutch! Perhaps I'm not following the "storyline", but I agree with you about the "link". Reading all these posts my head starts to spin with all the theories and sidetracks we've had over the years. And we, well I do anyway, start to "remember" stuff that wasn't even on here, or sometimes that was on here, but the exact opposite of what I'm so sure I read!! Think we are very far down the "rabbit hole" now! 

This has been discussed and ruled out over the past two threads. At the time they hadn't caught the person responsible for the murder and thought the crimes could have been linked. They weren't. The other murderer has been convicted.

Foolio79 

 Originally Posted by Klutch 

If the kimono was linked to a murder in victoria park, does that mean we could be seeing more charges in the future regarding other potential crimes he did? I'm interested to see where this goes.

This has been talked about many times already. There is absolutely no link between the kimono and Victoria Park murder. Police in 1988 were simply speculating there was a link as the crimes happened in the same area. The person who did the murder was subsequently caught and is behind bars.

lsdmongre 

 Originally Posted by styzr 

Hoping to hear more from 3blindmice. That girl was last seen on 8th October 1999, which was a Friday. 
Did you guys work every day while in Kal? If not, did you all have the same days off or was there a roster? 
Did BE never join you for after work drinks or was that out of character? 


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jam sandwich 

56

 Originally Posted by papertrail 

You could well be correct. I recall reading in another online non govt missing and murdered person site early last year a 17yo guy from Canberra wrote saying detectives from macro had visited to obtain his dna. He wrote his uncle lived in WA.

Could well be that one of the postnewspaper articles of 2015 referring to DNA evidence links and vehicle etc had prompted another survived victim or victims or former workmates to make contact with WAPOL and identify BE.

Does anyone know line of employment of french ex wife ?

I don't think they got DNA from a relative like this as it would certainly get back to him and spook him and I don't think the WAPOL would want that....I'm sure he was already a suspect from 1988 and they just made the connection this way...work, vehicles owned, where he was living and with whom and just built up a profile/case this way...

Klutch 

 Originally Posted by Foolio79 

This has been talked about many times already. There is absolutely no link between the kimono and Victoria Park murder. Police in 1988 were simply speculating there was a link as the crimes happened in the same area. The person who did the murder was subsequently caught and is behind bars.

Thanks for the clear up, i did a search beforehand but wasn't able to find anything sorry.

CP345 

 Originally Posted by lsdmongre 

Where did threeblindmice post this? 

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In the last thread that was closed earlier. Number 9. Last few pages.

03-01-2017 lampformypath 

 Originally Posted by papertrail 

In the 1988 newspaper report it was surmized by the journo that the kimono involved in huntingdale attempted rape was linked to the murder in victoria Park. There is NO mention in the 1988 article that the kimono was the murder victims or that it was linked to victoria park location. The journo did leave a small detail that may be relevant now. That being there were quite a few sexual assaults in Huntingdale around the time of the feb 1988 attack.

Thanks PT for your infinite patience and clear explanation. "Quite a few" sexual assaults in Huntingdale around that time?? One shudders to think of how "active" BE has been, but as we keep being reminded, innocent until proven guilty. The women's clothing link and the silk aspect of the garment that was dropped and now linked to BE interests me. I have a friend who has a son with Autism and she has found silk garments and the feel of this fabric actually calms him down, could BE possible be the opposite and silk and feeling it before/during/after actually excites him sexually? From an early childhood memory perhaps? First time he got turned on from feeling silken underwear, mother's perhaps? Just a thought, have no training in such matters of the mind, but peeking in like Psyche did is fascinating!

SherlockSleuth 

Just on the speculation of how the police obtained the familial DNA that seems to have brought down bre, do we know that it was obtained from his brother or is this just speculation at this stage? Was reading about the BTK killer... They got a sample of his familial DNA from his daughters pap smear.

03-01-2017 b4u 

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG,
I can envisage that one of his line's of defence will be to refer to The Post Newspaper article 2001/09/01 "We know the Claremont Killer" posted in this forum about 6 months ago
https://www.dropbox.com/s/14fibheszg...iller.pdf?dl=0 (I've copied parts of this article below)

With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses.
With the ex-workmate (+female partner) that Frank Silas reported to police, and that the Police reportedly, and belatedly investigated, to be drawn into the case.

Mr Silas said the casual employee had tried to conceal scratches on his face when the two came face to face in the factory kitchen on the morning of the Tuesday after Ms Glennon's disappearance.

The man had been evasive about how he had received the scratches, finally saying his dogs had jumped up on him.
Mr Silas said this week he believed the scratches had been made by a person, because each scratch was about5mm wide and they were spaced like human fingers.
He said he had called another supervisor, now aged 31, who sneaked a look at the scratches.
Mr Silas said the casual employee man had frequently claimed to be famous, and some days after Ms Glennon was found the man had said he was "more famous than Christopher Skase".

Mr Silas had become frustrated at what he saw as lack of police action, and turned detective himself. He'd made excuses to call at the former casual employee's home and to check out his van.
He said that once he had seen what appeared to be a pattern of blood spots on the inside roof of the van; they had gone brown after being treated with an organic cleaner.
The man had once unbolted the front seat of the van and said he was looking for an earring. His girlfriend did not wear earrings.
She began wearing a claddagh ring, but did not know what it was.
Ciara Glennon had been wearing a claddagh brooch when she disappeared. It has not been found.

Mr Silas and his workmates said the man had missed work the Monday after Ms Glennon's weekend disappearance. 

He said detectives had not interviewed the man until eight months after Mr Silas' first call

The men, who say they represent a group called Citizens for the Apprehension of the Real Killer (CARK) called thepress conference because they say their suspicions had not been fully investigated by Police

Letters from the police show Mr Silas's information has been dealt with.

The apparent lack of media referral to anything to do with Frank Silas, the CARK or this 2001 article, raises questions about the potential for a massive coverup of something about this case, and will do nothing to allay any suspicions or rumours of BRE potentially being falsely accused of some of the charges that have already been laid.

Apparently, Debbie Marshall's book "The Devils Garden" refers to Frank Silas and CARK on p192 (I'll report back on what Devil's Garden says about this after I get around to purchasing it).

Assuming the reports are bona fide, it appears that there was a suspect with no Alibi, that was not followed up on until after the physical remnants of a potential fight with CG on the night of her disappearance would have long gone.

Wonder whether Silas or other members of CARK are still alive, and if not, what happened to them before or after this 2001 article?

Any theories on why any of the CARK reported story might not be true and why?

Anyone know any more about CARK and it's members?

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Sparklingwater 

I would say most direct route would have been: Stirling Hwy over Mounts Bay, Riverside maybe onto Causeway, Shepperton (past a certain Cafe that is now red) and onto Albany Hwy, then over to Nicholson Road, Garden Street, Harpenden Street and onto whichever house he was living in at the time. 

Might have gone via Freeway to down to say, Manning or South Street and up that way, but less to "look at" that way I think.

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10 P.5

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10/page5

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG, ...

With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses.

 

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia webslueths.com P.60

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?222868-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia/page60

Musings about Debi Marshall - The Devils Garden - Part 2 of 2

Page 184 - Con Bayens who headed up Operarion Bounty gets a mention. The recent Sunday Night epsiode is all here. It's almost verbatim. It is apparent that recent story was rehashed from this book.

I wonder if this was Donald Morey (the prime suspect in the Sarah McMahon case). I also wonder where this whole thing went? Did they do any surveillance on this guy because he looked good to go. Did they interview him for Lisa Brown and other prostitutes that went missing?

Page 192 - Apparently a man named Frank Silas and two other men who called themselves CARK (Citizens for Apprehension of the Real Killer) called a press conference because they weren't happy happy with Macro's inaction.

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western ...

www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?222868-Claremont-Serial-Killer...

Jun 22, 2015 - 15 posts - ‎5 authors

THE serial killer behind the 1994 Claremont murders may be leaving clues ... Page 192 - Apparently aman named Frank Silas and two other men who called themselves CARK (Citizens forApprehension of the Real Killer) called a press conference because they weren't happy happywith Macro's inaction.

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia P.4 of 69

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Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10/page5

Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth ...www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918...Claremont-Serial-Killer...

Jan 3, 2017 - 15 posts - ‎8 authors

Did the Western Australian Police and the Macro Task Force  thoroughly investigated Frank Silas’s Claremont Serial Killer  suspect?

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5 P.110

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306032-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-5/page110

Did the Western Australian Police and the Macro Task Force  thoroughly investigated Frank Silas’s Claremont Serial Killer  suspect?

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG, ... With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses. With the ..

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western ...

www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?222868-Claremont-Serial-Killer...

Jun 22, 2015 - 15 posts - ‎5 authors

THE serial killer behind the 1994 Claremont murders may be ... I wonder if this was Donald Morey (the prime suspect in the Sarah McMahon case). ... Page 192 - Apparently a man named Frank Silasand two other men who ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?222868-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia/page60

 

 

 

03-01-2017  potr 

 Originally Posted by b4u 

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG,
I can envisage that one of his line's of defence will be to refer to The Post Newspaper article 2001/09/01 "We know the Claremont Killer" posted in this forum about 6 months ago
https://www.dropbox.com/s/14fibheszg...iller.pdf?dl=0 (I've copied parts of this article below)

With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses.
With the ex-workmate (+female partner) that Frank Silas reported to police, and that the Police reportedly, and belatedly investigated, to be drawn into the case.

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The apparent lack of media referral to anything to do with Frank Silas, the CARK or this 2001 article, raises questions about the potential for a massive coverup of something about this case, and will do nothing to allay any suspicions or rumours of BRE potentially being falsely accused of some of the charges that have already been laid.

Apparently, Debbie Marshall's book "The Devils Garden" refers to Frank Silas and CARK on p192 (I'll report back on what Devil's Garden says about this after I get around to purchasing it).

Assuming the reports are bona fide, it appears that there was a suspect with no Alibi, that was not followed up on until after the physical remnants of a potential fight with CG on the night of her disappearance would have long gone.

Wonder whether Silas or other members of CARK are still alive, and if not, what happened to them before or after this 2001 article?

Any theories on why any of the CARK reported story might not be true and why?

Anyone know any more about CARK and it's members?

this is a summary of the 2 pages that make up chapter 50 in debi's book (page 192 and 193) I am not sure if it is revisited, its been a looooong time since i read it.

• after the 3 disappearances more than 12 people are repeatedly nominated.
• 3 men concerned that their claims were not being taken seriously called a press conference
• frank silas claimed the man had worked until 10pm the night of Ciara Glennon's abduction, carried a knife and had pointed it at him...plus the other details you have already noted. in addition he had been sacked for assaulting a female co-worker..he was apparently later re-employed
• frank silas said he had first seen him weeks before (and before he started working with him) and that the man and his girlfriend (at around 2 am)offered lifts to young women waiting in the taxi rank in claremont
• frank silas said he was also offered a lift and accepted, in the car the man talked about going bush to a dope crop, and he left the vehicle soon after.
• he named the man (not named by debi) and said he concluded that the man and his girlfriend had worked as a team.
• he made his suspicions known days after ciara was found, but was not interviewd until about 8 months after.
• he had apparently spent 4 years trying to obtain the attention of the powers that be including various police officers, the commissioner and minister and showed much correspondence of his claims (some of it accusing the police of ineptitude) and police
responses including defending the qualities and qualifications required of their detectives

• apparently caporn later responded to media requests, talking of the enormous efforts the police had gone to to placate mr silas
• he further stated sarcastically that he felt sorry for mr silas, because the issue was "taking a large space in his life"
• another person after mr silas had threatened to publish details about the man "because we wouldn't arrest this person for the claremont murders"

• macro insider reported that these types of interactions irked caporn using the metaphor: "he was busy enough putting out fires that existed, let alone ones that arsonists had started just so they could watch them burn".

let me kow if there are any other parts of interest.

 

 

03-01-2017 Tangled_Web 

Originally Posted by papertrail 

“I do not believe that VG being BE stepdaughter was actually living fulltime at Acton St BE property at time of his arrest. Her FB page detailed a current employment position in Geraldton region. Given arrest of BE occurring within a couple of days of Christmas more likely she was visiting.”

I think it is correct that she was not living there, but visiting. I recall reading very soon after the arrest that she did not live there but still stayed on occasion. 
I also note that BE's one remaining FB friend has changed her name from VG to VR.

03-01-2017 Moustachio 

She has changed her surname on FB, and the 'P' plate car has gone. I don't think she's living there.

 Originally Posted by mandy.maree 

“I dont think VG would still be living with him if his ex wife had reported. Doubt CGE would still have him on her fb as her cover pic either but who knows.
Other family members seem unlikely too after all these years,unless he finally said one too many worrying things. I'm actually lost why step daughter is still living there. Maybe closer to work or just childhood home and doesnt want to leave. I'd assume the break up wasnt too awful if VG is still living there . Maybe BE didnt reoffend just due to her still being there or the separation being a mutual decision. “
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03-01-2017 AgathasCat 

 Originally Posted by jam sandwich 

“I'm sure he was already a suspect from 1988 and they just made the connection this way...work, vehicles owned, where he was living and with whom and just built up a profile/case this way....”

And they believed they had managed to obtain a DNAprofile of the killer from the body of Glennon. In an astonishing development,they matched this to the Karrakatta rape in 1995.
The person they were looking for, they decided, drove a late-model mid-1990swhite Holden Commodore VS Series in the mid-1990s. They had his DNA but theydid not know who he was.
Quote is from The Australian article, The quiet techie life of the Claremont murder accused. (After certain number of visits there is a paywall.)

Media have stated elsewhere that the accused was not known to them (to WAPOL).Is there any reason to believe this is a lie?

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"Curiouser and curiouser!" cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English). — Lewis Carroll

03-01-2017  potr 

 Originally Posted by b4u 

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG,
I can envisage that one of his line's of defence will be to refer to The Post Newspaper article 2001/09/01 "We know the Claremont Killer" posted in this forum about 6 months ago
https://www.dropbox.com/s/14fibheszg...iller.pdf?dl=0 (I've copied parts of this article below)

With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses.
With the ex-workmate (+female partner) that Frank Silas reported to police, and that the Police reportedly, and belatedly investigated, to be drawn into the case.

[FONT=Calibri]

The apparent lack of media referral to anything to do with Frank Silas, the CARK or this 2001 article, raises questions about the potential for a massive coverup of something about this case, and will do nothing to allay any suspicions or rumours of BRE potentially being falsely accused of some of the charges that have already been laid.

Apparently, Debbie Marshall's book "The Devils Garden" refers to Frank Silas and CARK on p192 (I'll report back on what Devil's Garden says about this after I get around to purchasing it).

Assuming the reports are bona fide, it appears that there was a suspect with no Alibi, that was not followed up on until after the physical remnants of a potential fight with CG on the night of her disappearance would have long gone.

Wonder whether Silas or other members of CARK are still alive, and if not, what happened to them before or after this 2001 article?

Any theories on why any of the CARK reported story might not be true and why?

Anyone know any more about CARK and it's members?

this is a summary of the 2 pages that make up chapter 50 in debi's book (page 192 and 193) I am not sure if it is revisited, its been a looooong time since i read it.

• after the 3 disappearances more than 12 people are repeatedly nominated.
• 3 men concerned that their claims were not being taken seriously called a press conference
• frank silas claimed the man had worked until 10pm the night of Ciara Glennon's abduction, carried a knife and had pointed it at him...plus the other details you have already noted. in addition he had been sacked for assaulting a female co-worker..he was apparently later re-employed
• frank silas said he had first seen him weeks before (and before he started working with him) and that the man and his girlfriend (at around 2 am)offered lifts to young women waiting in the taxi rank in claremont
• frank silas said he was also offered a lift and accepted, in the car the man talked about going bush to a dope crop, and he left the vehicle soon after.
• he named the man (not named by debi) and said he concluded that the man and his girlfriend had worked as a team.
• he made his suspicions known days after ciara was found, but was not interviewd until about 8 months after.
• he had apparently spent 4 years trying to obtain the attention of the powers that be including various police officers, the commissioner and minister and showed much correspondence of his claims (some of it accusing the police of ineptitude) and police
responses including defending the qualities and qualifications required of their detectives

• apparently caporn later responded to media requests, talking of the enormous efforts the police had gone to to placate mr silas
• he further stated sarcastically that he felt sorry for mr silas, because the issue was "taking a large space in his life"
• another person after mr silas had threatened to publish details about the man "because we wouldn't arrest this person for the claremont murders"

• macro insider reported that these types of interactions irked caporn using the metaphor: "he was busy enough putting out fires that existed, let alone ones that arsonists had started just so they could watch them burn".

let me kow if there are any other parts of interest.

03-01-2017 JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by Klutch 

If the kimono was linked to a murder in victoria park, does that mean we could be seeing more charges in the future regarding other potential crimes he did? I'm interested to see where this goes.

If these charges don't stick I have little doubt WAPOL will have another crack at him on other cases at some point. 
I suspect if these charges do stick they may not spend the money on the other cases.

Keep in mind this case is going to cost millions.

03-01-2017 CP345 

 Originally Posted by potr 

this is a summary of the 2 pages that make up chapter 50 in debi's book (page 192 and 193) I am not sure if it is revisited, its been a looooong time since i read it.

• after the 3 disappearances more than 12 people are repeatedly nominated.
• 3 men concerned that their claims were not being taken seriously called a press conference
• frank silas claimed the man had worked until 10pm the night of Ciara Glennon's abduction, carried a knife and had pointed it at him...plus the other details you have already noted. in addition he had been sacked for assaulting a female co-worker..he was apparently later re-employed
• frank silas said he had first seen him weeks before (and before he started working with him) and that the man and his girlfriend (at around 2 am)offered lifts to young women waiting in the taxi rank in claremont
• frank silas said he was also offered a lift and accepted, in the car the man talked about going bush to a dope crop, and he left the vehicle soon after.
• he named the man (not named by debi) and said he concluded that the man and his girlfriend had worked as a team.
• he made his suspicions known days after ciara was found, but was not interviewd until about 8 months after.
• he had apparently spent 4 years trying to obtain the attention of the powers that be including various police officers, the commissioner and minister and showed much correspondence of his claims (some of it accusing the police of ineptitude) and police
responses including defending the qualities and qualifications required of their detectives

• apparently caporn later responded to media requests, talking of the enormous efforts the police had gone to to placate mr silas
• he further stated sarcastically that he felt sorry for mr silas, because the issue was "taking a large space in his life"
• another person after mr silas had threatened to publish details about the man "because we wouldn't arrest this person for the claremont murders"

• macro insider reported that these types of interactions irked caporn using the metaphor: "he was busy enough putting out fires that existed, let alone ones that arsonists had started just so they could watch them burn".

let me kow if there are any other parts of interest.

Well a poster on the big footy forum thought he had a dead cert as well and claimed he was ignored. Honestly there's a few loose cannons who for some reason want to claim they know who the killer is and were ignored by police.

03-01-2017 Psychsleuth 

I have always been interested in this case as I am a psych with a specific interest in crime. Until now my interest has been purely professional curiosity. But reading about the Huntingdale attempted rape triggered a memory from my childhood that made me feel sick. I went to Gosnells senior high school in the late 1980s. I lived in Huntingdale in 1989 one street from BE and moved to Forest Lakes in late 1990 (I was 16). Not long after my family moved into our house in Forest Lakes I was awoken in the night by a sound outside me bedroom window. I remember being terrified and running to my parents room. My dad inspected outside and there were footprints outside my window. We didn't report it to the police and I had forgotten it until now. But I wonder whether he was stalking/hanging around girls bedroom windows in the area. I wonder how many were not reported? 
I also wanted to comment that from a psychological perspective it is unlikely that an offender would switch between murder and rape with victims. There is usually a clear escalation and development in the level of sophistication and violence in crimes. This means that the Vic park murder is unlikely to have been committed by the same person as the Huntingdale attempted rape and the Karrakatta rape.

03-01-2017 JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by Mo Joe 

“It was strange when the Police denied the 'imminent arrest' rumours a couple of years ago. I remember reading comments from people on social media saying things like "What arrest? - We hadn't heard anything, until the Police told us!"..”

Who actually heard these rumours and from whom?
Actually didn't the media run it?

03-01-2017 JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by jam sandwich 

“I don't think they got DNA from a relative like this as it would certainly get back to him and spook him and I don't think the WAPOL would want that....I'm sure he was already a suspect from 1988 and they just made the connection this way...work, vehicles owned, where he was living and with whom and just built up a profile/case this way....”

Certainly someone wanted the “familial DNA” story out there if its true or not, see the site odd sentence in the article from The Australian in previous threads. 
Please don't rule out a familial hit was done prior to approaching BRE just to make sure they had their man. WAPOL can't afford any more bad press.

03-01-2017  potr 

 Originally Posted by Psychsleuth 

“I also wanted to comment that from a psychological perspective it is unlikely that an offender would switch between murder and rape with victims. There is usually a clear escalation and development in the level of sophistication and violence in crimes. This means that the Vic park murder is unlikely to have been committed by the same person as the Huntingdale attempted rape and the Karrakatta rape.”

Gosh I am not absolutely sure about this so correct me if i am wrong but I thought that serial killers including Sutcliffe, Napper, cooke and Ridgeway had freqently either raped or murdered their victims...it all depended on the specific circumstances....Even though a rapist may progress to a killer they fequently indulge in an assortment of criminal acts in the same time frame. I think this is part of a diagnosis of Anti-social personality disorder. (the nearest thing in the DSM to psychopathy). Even Bendali Debs was at the same time as murdering women, robbing restaurants and shoplifting and possibly raping.

03-01-2017  jam sandwich 

 Originally Posted by AgathasCat 

And they believed they had managed to obtain a DNAprofile of the killer from the body of Glennon. In an astonishing development,they matched this to the Karrakatta rape in 1995.

The person they were looking for, they decided, drove a late-model mid-1990swhite Holden Commodore VS Series in the mid-1990s. They had his DNA but theydid not know who he was.

Quote is from The Australian article, The quiet techie life of the Claremont murder accused. (After certain number of visits there is a paywall.)

Media have stated elsewhere that the accused was not known to them (to WAPOL).Is there any reason to believe this is a lie?

No, I don't think he was known to WAPOL until they matched 1988 DNA with CG & KK. I'm sure BE was on a list of people of interest from 1988 and just did a more thorough investigation of all these people and ended up with BE after checking where he worked, cars he drove (Telstra issued VS Commodore Series 1), where he lived, relationship status and he ended up fitting the profile. Arrest and check DNA!

03-01-2017 JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by b4u 

If BRE was to plead not guilty to the 1997 murder of CG,
I can envisage that one of his line's of defence will be to refer to The Post Newspaper article 2001/09/01 "We know the Claremont Killer" posted in this forum about 6 months ago
https://www.dropbox.com/s/14fibheszg...iller.pdf?dl=0 (I've copied parts of this article below)

With Frank Silas and friends (if still alive) to be called as witnesses.
With the ex-workmate (+female partner) that Frank Silas reported to police, and that the Police reportedly, and belatedly investigated, to be drawn into the case.

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The apparent lack of media referral to anything to do with Frank Silas, the CARK or this 2001 article, raises questions about the potential for a massive coverup of something about this case, and will do nothing to allay any suspicions or rumours of BRE potentially being falsely accused of some of the charges that have already been laid.

Apparently, Debbie Marshall's book "The Devils Garden" refers to Frank Silas and CARK on p192 (I'll report back on what Devil's Garden says about this after I get around to purchasing it).

Assuming the reports are bona fide, it appears that there was a suspect with no Alibi, that was not followed up on until after the physical remnants of a potential fight with CG on the night of her disappearance would have long gone.

Wonder whether Silas or other members of CARK are still alive, and if not, what happened to them before or after this 2001 article?
Any theories on why any of the CARK reported story might not be true and why?
Anyone know any more about CARK and it's members?

Jurys LOVE DNA, BRE better hope his wasn't on CG, otherwise he may be in a bit of strife.

03-01-2017  jam sandwich 

 Originally Posted by JoeDetective 

Certainly someone wanted the “familial DNA” story out there if its true or not, see the site odd sentence in the article from The Australian in previous threads. 

Please don't rule out a familial hit was done prior to approaching BRE just to make sure they had their man. WAPOL can't afford any more bad press.

Haven't ruled it out but just not convinced. Too risky getting familial DNA from family member where it could get back to him. I know if anyone in my family gave a sample of anything to Police I would eventually hear about it through normal family discussions. They would not risk it as not to spook him in to doing something like disappearing or even committing suicide if he felt they were on to him. Just my opinion though.

03-01-2017  jam sandwich 

 Originally Posted by potr 

“Gosh I am not absolutely sure about this so correct me if i am wrong but I thought that serial killers including Sutcliffe, Napper, cooke and Ridgeway had freqently either raped or murdered their victims...it all depended on the specific circumstances....Even though a rapist may progress to a killer they fequently indulge in an assortment of criminal acts in the same time frame. I think this is part of a diagnosis of Anti-social personality disorder. (the nearest thing in the DSM to psychopathy). Even Bendali Debs was at the same time as murdering women, robbing restaurants and shoplifting and possibly raping.”

Once Sutcliffe was murdering he didn't alternate between any other crimes or switch between murder and rape....murder was his MO only

03-01-2017   JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by jam sandwich 

“Haven't ruled it out but just not convinced. Too risky getting familial DNA from family member where it could get back to him. I know if anyone in my family gave a sample of anything to Police I would eventually hear about it through normal family discussions. They would not risk it as not to spook him in to doing something like disappearing or even committing suicide if he felt they were on to him. Just my opinion though.”

Not really if done covertly(which has been covered in previous threads)

Sparklingwater 

I would say most direct route would have been: Stirling Hwy over Mounts Bay, Riverside maybe onto Causeway, Shepperton (past a certain Cafe that is now red) and onto Albany Hwy, then over to Nicholson Road, Garden Street, Harpenden Street and onto whichever house he was living in at the time. 

Might have gone via Freeway to down to say, Manning or South Street and up that way, but less to "look at" that way I think.

janwa 

 Originally Posted by Mo Joe 

KK was 17. Officially, what age would a victim be in WA, before a perp is described as a ped?

13 and under pedophile rapist, over 13 and under 16 (i.e. 14 or 15 unable to give consent so even with consent rape

03-01-2017baf65 

 Originally Posted by papertrail 

I do not believe that VG being BE stepdaughter was actually living fulltime at Acton St BE property at time of his arrest. Her FB page detailed a current employment position in Geraldton region. Given arrest of BE occurring within a couple of days of Christmas more likely she was visiting.

shes not working in Geraldton there nothing on FB that suggests that
I suggest she was just staying over at a friends and arriving home early in the morning
She states that she loves her dad so maybe she just wanted to stay living with him, maybe she had a better relationship with BE than her mumperthartist 

Just had an interesting message from a friend on Facebook (also from the Gosnells area): 
My friend xxxxxxx is just saying she used to ride her horse out on gay street through the bush and she got spooked by a guy and he had a shovel and she remembers it really well. She came screaming home telling her mum. I told her to call macro or crime stoppers the timing is right too. She is my neighbour from xxxxxxxxx. Holy ****.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10/page5

 

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10 P.10

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10/page10

03-01-2017 09.33PM

The Weaver 

 Originally Posted by Bohemian 

“Thanks for your replies, b4u and Sherlock. Even though the means by which the alleged CSK was able to abduct his alleged victims, God Rest their souls, still trouble me, they are now academic I suppose. I will be interested to read the reports of the evidence given at trial by the CSK's only known surviving victim, if she is called for the Prosecution. No doubt, giving evidence will be traumatic for her.”

I was only just sitting here thinking about how the KK victim must feel, knowing that she was incredibly fortunate to have survived the attack by the person now accused of the murders of 2 other girls. I hope she is surrounded by loving, caring people to help her get through what is certainly going to be an awful time having to relive this horror. It’s a really crappy world sometimes.

 

03-01-2017 09.38PM 

Bohemian 

 Originally Posted by The Weaver 

 

“I was only just sitting here thinking about how the KK victim must feel, knowing that she was incredibly fortunate to have survived the attack by the person now accused of the murders of 2 other girls. I hope she is surrounded by loving, caring people to help her get through what is certainly going to be an awful time having to relive this horror. Its a really crappy world sometimes”

 

Amen Weaver x

Posts are opinion in the absence of relevant source material.

03-01-2017 10.22 PM

123sniff 

 Originally Posted by Bohemian 

“Amen Weaver x”

I remember reading an article where KK described her group of friends taking her out to their car in the car park & leaving her there because she was too drunk. She then remembers sobering up quickly when she's being groped by her abductor as he's driving her in his van to the rape location. This leans towards CSK either lurking inside the clubs or around the car parks. Otherwise how would he have known KK was passed out in a parked car? 
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03-01-2017 10.35 PM

firestarter 

Originally Posted by 123sniff 

I remember reading an article where KK described her group of friends taking her out to their car in the car park & leaving her there because she was too drunk. She then remembers sobering up quickly when she's being groped by her abductor as he's driving her in his van to the rape location. This leans towards CSK either lurking inside the clubs or around the car parks. Otherwise how would he have known KK was passed out in a parked car? 

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I think you have mashed two events into one there. 
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03-01-2017 10.45 PM

rati0nal 

Originally Posted by apoptosisfutz 

 

“Anyone got an old street directory of Perth around that time?”
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You don't need a UBD, landgate's aerial photos website shows you aerial photos/maps all the way back to the 1950s. You'll need to use it in internet explorer though, as it requires Java.

 

03-01-2017 10.46 PM

troumye 

Just a long shot, but just wondering, considering his electrical background, if BE was contracted to install the CCTV's at C Hotel as well as to do regular maintenance on them. It would make sense that he knew which way to angle camera's how long each of them filmed an area as well as access to edit/change footage.

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Basilisk 

Originally Posted by CP345 

“While I don't doubt that the police have made mistakes in the past I can't understand why people can't accept the perfectly logical sequence of events that they laid out to explain how they made the connection between the crimes. There is a massive amount of evidence sitting in storage which has never been tested. Even though we've had DNA testing for some time now it was slow and also expensive. Police could not possibly have been expected to test the backlog of evidence for crimes in the last 30 or so years. As the testing has become more affordable and quicker the police have had been making an effort to test old evidence in order to close cold cases. As such, after sitting there since 1988 the kimono was tested and police got lucky. They found a match which opened further investigative opportunities. If they found the person who climbed in the window that night in 1988 in huntingdale they had the killer. Now we can all summise and guess how they linked BE to this crime but it would have been a relatively small suspect pool. Maybe they suspected him but had no evidence until the DNA. Quite possibly he'd been sprung in the area as a juvenile taking knickers off a clothes line and given a slap on the wrist but had no official record. Maybe he was known in local circles as being a weirdo and after all these years when someone was questioned about the attack they dropped his name. Unless someone in the know posts here I guess we will find out in court.”
The connection between the KK and CG case was made much later too as DNA testing methods improved. They worked hard to solve the KK case for the same reason with a team of 12 but couldn't crack it.”

 

Excellent deductions CP – some voyeuristic tendency might also neatly explain HS nickname of BE?

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03-01-2017 11.13 PM

 

mandy.maree 

 Originally Posted by PrimeSuspect 

“Gawd, he was working on a story about the wife that he's under her thumb. What a good cover. *******!”

 

Wasn't his first wife also described this way though ? I know I read it on here somewhere from someone whose gf got a lift with her and BEIt surprised me tbh as he seems more the got to be in control type yet both his wives have been described as being basically strong and domineering. 
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03-01-2017 11.13 PM

 

 Originally Posted by firestarter 

“I think you have mashed two events into one there.”

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03-01-2017 11.13 PM

meticulously 

Originally Posted by 123sniff 

Yes you're right - my apologies. I'm not sure where I got that car park story from?

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1989 reported . cott hotel / lakeway drive in attempted sexual assualt 

 

JPEG’s of Subiabo Post Artilces Headed Kidnapped teen in Claremont attack (in 1989) by Bret Christian-Published on November 14^th, 2015

A teenage university student who was abducted  and sexually assaulted in Claremont five years before the first known victim of the Claremont serial killer has tolf her  story publicly for the first time.

A man kidnapped her from a car park opposite the Cottesoe Hotel and drove her to the abandoned Lakeway drive-in theatre in Swanborne, where he tried ot rape her. She escaped but he stalked and recaptured he rin Claremont and bunded her into the back of his station wagon.

She came forward after friends read in the POST (Subiaco) that police investigating the three known Claremont serial killings of the mid-1990’s have now positively linked a prior offence to the last known victim, Ciara Glennon (Subiaco POST October 17,2015.

Forenzic tests have confirmed that the man who murdered Ms Glennon is the same man who adducted a 17 year-old in Gugeria Street, Claremont, Claremont, bundled her into the back of his van and drove her to Karrakatta cemetery, raped her and left her for dead. She survived and ran to Hollywood Hospital.

Special Crime Squad police are keen to investigate other attempted abductions in the Claremont area before and after the Claremont series of killings.

The woman had never reported the abduction to police, believing it was useless because she did not have a description of the man or his vehicle. She said she had been celebrating with friends at the Cottesloe Hotel in late 1989 when they took her to their car parked opposite the hotel o because she was extremely drunk “ couldn’t handle alcohol,” the girl said. They left me there and went back to the pub.”

“He must have been watching I was dressed in a tight short skirt and a tight little top.”

She said she must have been moved from her friend’s car to the kidnapper’s car. “The next thing I remember was waking up, being driven along Servetus Street (Swanbourne) in his car while he was groping my boobs.

“He stopped at the old drive-in at Swanbourne and I came to pretty quickly. I had an adrenaline surge. I sobered up instantly and I can remember everything clearly to this day.”

She said the man tried to kiss her while groping her. “he had hard whiskers. I had only been with boys up until then, so he must have been at least 30.”

She then she had managed to open the car door and run to the back fence f a house. She was half-way over it when the man caught her and dragged her back to the ground and lay on top of her.

“I was screaming as loudly as I could. I have a pretty good voice so it must have been pretty loud.”

When the man reacted to her screams she managed to wriggle out and sprinted to the front of a nearby house, where she hid in a bush as the man search for her. After some minutes she felt safe enough to walk along Alfred Road towards her home. But she was not safe. The man was waiting for her a service station on the corner of Graylands in his hatchback or station wagon with the rear tailgate open.

“He grabbed me and shoved me in the back,” she said.

“Before he could close the tailgate, I pushed past him and sprinted across the road to Graylands (now Claremont) Primary School. “ I was quite athletic and I jumped under a bush and just stayed still for some time.”

She then walked home to the other side of Stirling Highway, hiding under bushed whenever a car approached.

She said that at the time she thought he an was an opportunist who was taking advantage of a drunk girl. “I told my friends but I didn’t tell my mother,” she said.

“My friends kept telling me to go to the police but what could I tell them? I could not remember what the guy looked like or what his cat was.”/

“He didn’t say anything that I remember - he didn’t try to talk or call out.”

“I thiunk he was more stocky than tall, but I wasn’t looking.”I was just trying to get away.”

 

Other related Claremont Serial Killer Newspaper Articles in the Subiaco Post

 

 

Fourth serial killer victim_ 17^th October 2003, Subiaco Post

Serial Killer Net Tightens, Subiaco POST,  March 21st, 2015

By Bret Christian

Detectives are making progress in their bib to solve WA’s most baffling and sensational murder mystery know to the general public as the Claremont Serial Killings

 

Very promising leads have convinced senior-police  that  the apparently unsolvable crimes that traumatised the western suburbs 19 years ago may now be solved.

A team of 12 detectives, separate from the original Macro task forces, has been committed to the inquiry over the past three years.

They have narrowed their focus to other, possibly related non-fatal crimes and to new forensic evidence after an exhaustive review of the case, including hundreds of interviews.

Three young women disappeared late on three separate nights from Claremont after visiting central Claremont night  spots  in  the  mid-1990s, the victims of horrific crimes Two were found murdered and the third is presumed to have met the same fate.

WA’s biggest  and most expensive investigation  followed,  but  it  i s  now  a very    different   Inquiry  with  a different  focus, the  POST  has   been  told.

The  focus has moved away from  taxis  and  Lance Williams,  the innocent Cottesloe  public  servant  who  once absorbed  the  vast  bulk  of  police resources but led to dead ends..

Police now do not believe any  of  the  three  women got into a  vehicle  voluntarily  but was  subject  to  a blitz  attack..

These   separate Incidents were by the same person.  The motive was sexual .

 

 

It is now accepted that the early, intense focus on Mr Williams distracted them from the significance of other clues that might have pointed to the real murderer in the early days. Police were inundated at the time with calls about possibly related abduction attempts  and suspicious behaviour around the Claremont entertainment precinct.

 

But as the POST has previously reported, these were given scant attention because police could not connect them to Mr Williams. The dismissed reports that might not have appeared significant at the time are now being revisited, with promising leads. Other incidents may have gone unreported. International criminologists  s ay  each  massive  Investigation produces one person, and sometimes more than one, who appears to fit, but who in reality had nothing to do with the crime.

The re-investigation has completed interviews and re-interviews, eliminating 10,000 persons of interest, including two men whose lives were severely damaged when their names became public during early inquiries. These were Mr Williams and former Claremont mayor Peter Weygers, who are no longer of interest to police investigating the murders.

 

Police are now focusing on scientific lines of inquiry plus related “precursor” crimes in the western suburbs leading up to the murders, ranging from house break-ins to attempted abductions.

Police have not identified the murderer but are now targeting high-priority persons of interest “based on a number of factors”.

 

The Special Crime Squad has identified and prioritised the  remaining persons of interest after reviewing Macro’s 65,000 files while conducting  interviews  and re-interviews, which   are  still   continuing.   Squad members have made more than seven   trips   to the UK to take advantage of the most  recent breakthroughs in DNA  analysis, using a private forensic science company.

One of its founders, Dr Jonathan Whitaker, a senior forensic scientist,  has visited  Perth and worked on the Claremont case. In UK cases Dr Whitaker has used  familial  techniques  to  track  down the culprits of unsolved murders  up to 30 years old, with one-in-a-billion accuracy.

Familial DNA testing  depends on the fact that each human gets half his or her DNA from each parent, and share a chunk of that DNA with other blood relatives. Police believe that by using some of the best scientists in the world and samples collected back in the 1990s, they can crack the case, but remain tight-lipped about the latest scientic results..

They are hoping to use new computer software that compares the long strings of numbers   generated   by DNA   profiling  results, an operation now done  manually. 

Police do not believe at this stage of the inquiry that a coroner’s inquest into the deaths of the three young women would achieve anything.

They are optimistic that by  the end of this year there will be more concrete developments.

Officers have been frustrated in following thousands of “low-quality” leads, but have investigated each one. Information can be provided to police via Crime Stoppers on1800 333 000.

 

Other Deaths Unsolved

 

Two New clues _ December 5 2015, Subiaco Post

 

Teen Lurded Into Claremont Car- December 22nd, 2015, Subiaco Post

 

A Woman has described her apparent attempted abduction in central Claremont in 1994, the year before the first known attack by the Claremont serial killer. The woman have the Subiaco POST details of the unreported incident following the Subiaco POST’s of new evidence that police believe will help lead them to the killer ( Subiaco POST 5^th December, 2015).

She said that she believed the incident had happened in 1994, when she was 18-years-old and was out on the town in Claremont with her husband and brother. The teenager found herself alone in a big hotel car park at night, when a man approached and asked for her help in finding his car keys.

He said he thought he had lost them down the back of the driver’s seat of his car, a white Holden Commodore. She opened the front door of the car, but the stranger said it would be much easier to find the keys from the back seat. She got in the back seat and was groping for the keys when she felt the presence of the man behind her, and very close to her, A that moment her brother, who had been urinating in a secluded spot, turned up and said: “What the hell are you doing?”

She said she and her brother quickly moved on and she did not see if the car had left.

“What the Hell are you doing?”

The Subiaco POST has passed on to the police other details, including a description of the man and the identity of the teenager, which it has chosen not to pubish.

“It was weird but noting really happened,” the woman said. “ I did not see at the time that it might have been significant, and did not report it.”

It was not until a year later that another teenager who had been to a nightclub in central Claremont was abducted, blindfolded, tiredn up and driven the Karrakatta Cemetery, where she was sexually assaulted by the man now know as the Claremont Serial Killer. She survived (“Fourth serial killer victim”. Subiaco POST.October 17).The next year, 1996, Sarah Spiers (18) was abducted from a Claremont street after visiting the same nightclub, followed a few months later by Jane Rimmer (23) and Ciara Glennon (27) in 1997.

While there is no firm evidence to connect the car-key man to the serial killings, experts in the field say it is very likely the killer would have been familiar with Claremont and responsile for the other abductions before and after the known “Claremont series.

Another woman who as a teenager was abducted from a car outside the Cotteslow Beach Hotel and sexually asssaulted in late 1989 has also told her story to police for the first time in recent weeks (“Kidnapped teen in Claremont attack”. Subiaco Post. November 4, 2015)

Two issues have become starkly clear from information received by the Subiaco POST since it began publishing new details about the serial killings in October,(2015) this year.

Women who were involved in what could be significant incidents leading to clues identifying the serial killer had not previously ocme forward.

A common theme was tha they felt secure beleiving that poic eknew who the killer was, and wer watching him 24 hours a day.

This man was Cottesloe pubic servant Lsnce Williams, who has since been eliminated as a suspect by DNA samples that have ocnnected the murderer of Ciara Glennon with the Karrakatta Cemetry rapist.

This fact has not been publicly admitted buy the Western Australian Police.

A linkined twist is that many young westerm suburbs men and women who visited Claremonth’s very popular nightspots and might have information, left Western Australia in the 1990’s to explore the world and further their carreers.

Many are now returning to live in their home town of Perth, Western Australia or visit family for Christmas, started ot learnd that the hunt for the killer wh had haunted central Claremont is still making progess, and that further information coud be valuable.

Some who contacted the Subiaco Post said they had left Perth comfortable in the knowledge that Claremont was safe because the police had the killer under surveillance, not realisinf they were watching the wrong man.

 

Locals May Help Police

Claremont mayor Jock Barker has called on local people who may have further information that may help police identify the Claremont Serial Killer to come forward.

“Many young people from the Western suburbs left for overseas when the investigation was at its height,” Jock Barker said.

“Those now returning or visiting might be surprised to learn that there is still an active investigation into the murders that so shocked our community.” he said.

They may have some information that they did not think relevant - perhaps about some incident in the 1990’s, such as an attempted abduction or even a home burglary that happened to them or that they witnesses - that could help police.”

The Subiaco POST has revealed that police have established that the killer or occasions drove a while Holder VS Series 1 Commodore, probably a station wagon, and had some connection with screen printing. Mr Barker said it was very important that justice be served, especially for the families of the victims but al for the whole community.

 

Stamp Duty Killer Key? Subiano Post, December, 22^nd, 2015 Page 33 . by David Cohen

Could cross-matching panel van and station wagons owners help police find the Claremont serial killer?

Western Australian Police would not say - but Subiaco POST reader says it could be worth chasing.

Earlier this month the Subiaco POST revealed police know the killer drove a white mid-1990’s VS Series 1, most likely a station wagon, to abduct and murder at least two of his victims (“Two new clues to serial killer”, December 5th, 2015).

“Cops say they can’t watch all the people who had a Commodore wagon of that model at that time,” the reader said.

“ But now the first (now connected) rape was prior or that model (with the matching fibres) being released, and the victim reported a panel van, not a station wagon.

“Hence a cross match of panel van owners in that year against station wagon owners in the later period should narrow the field.”

The reader said checking State Revenue records for stamp duty paid over a short period by the same owner on difficult vehicles could yield results.

“WAPOL is not going to comment on a readers’s letter based on a story that we didn’t contribute to”, a police spokesman said.

 

 

New Leads After 20-year Manhunt January 21^st, 2016, Subiaco Post

By Bret Christian

The 20^th anniversary next week of an Australia Day night to mark the 20^th anniversary  of the mysterious and distressing disappearance from Stirling Road, Claremont of 18-yer-old Sarah Spiers. Two other abductions and murders of young from Claremont over the 13 months after that sparked Australia’s longest and most expensive manhunt.

The crimes mystified and appalled the western suburbs, touching many lives - including those of family, friends and innocent suspects - and became national news.

Until March last year, the public had little idea about what progress, if any, police had made other than that they were watching a Cottesloe man who had been named in some media as the “chief suspect”.

Subiaco POST readers have learnt that, is far from winding down, the investigation is full steam ahead and has made progress.

Part of that progress has been to match DNA found on the third victim, Ciara Glennon, with DNA found at the scene of the abduction and rape in Karrakatta Cemetery of a 17-year-old on February 12^th, 1995.

Police believe the same man was responsible for all four abductions. Publication of this information brought a stream of new information, some form other young women who had been subjected to abduction or attempted abduction on the Claremont area.

None had previously been reported to police.

 

 

Claremont serial killing clues revealed: report

The West Australian. Friday, December 04, 2015 

 

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/claremont-serial-killing-clues-revealed-report-ng-ya-146310

Claremont serial killing clues revealed: report

Possible new clues in the Claremont serial killing case have been revealed, including the type of car driven by the murderer.

The Subiaco Post newspaper reports today that the killer drove a white mid-1990s Holden Commodore VS Series 1 to abduct his victims.

The Post also reports that the killer had some link to screen printing.

These clues are the latest to be reported by the newspaper.

Last month the Post revealed police had identified a possible fourth victim and that there was a positive link between an unknown rapist who attacked and raped a woman in Karrakatta cemetery in 1995 and the man who murdered Ciara Glennon.

Ms Glennon, a 27-year-old lawyer, was the third known victim in the Claremont killings.

The first of the serial killer’s victims, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers, vanished from Claremont on January 27, 1996.

Five months later, 23-year-old Jane Rimmer also vanished from Claremont, followed by Ms Glennon, who disappeared on March 15, 1997.

Ms Rimmer's body was found in bush at Wellard and Ms Glennon's in bush north of Perth.

Ms Spiers' body has never been found.

The Post reports today that the woman attacked in Karrakatta was tied up with washing line that had traces of material used in screen printing.

Fibres found on Jane Rimmer's body matched the upholstery of a near-new Holden VS series Commodore.

The last sighting of Ms Glennon was by three men who saw her talking to someone in a white Holden VS Commodore station wagon.

Police have previously declined to comment, citing the "the operational integrity of the investigation".

In a statement today WA Police said: "Maintaining the operational integrity of the Macro investigation is paramount if WA Police is to bring the offender, or offenders, to justice. Therefore operational outcomes must be prioritised over media and public interest.

"Media reports on an active investigation can seriously jeopardise the investigation and negatively impact future prosecutions.

"To protect the ongoing investigation WA Police is not in a position to make any further comment.

"We are mindful of the public interest in this matter, however we need to balance this with the interests of the investigation.

 

03-01-2017 11.40

123sniff 

 Originally Posted by meticulously 

1989 reported . 
cott hotel / lakeway drive in attempted sexual assualt 

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Yes thank you. I've attached a copy of the article I was referring to 
so I didn't think I was going crazy!

 

 

03-01-2017

123sniff 

WA Police remains committed to solving these crimes."
meticulously 
1989 reported . cott hotel / lakeway drive in attempted sexual assualt 

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This one also...


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03-01-2017 11.57 pm

mandy.maree 

 

I think BE started off with stealing womens clothes off washing lines. 
Maybe one night someone left their curtains open so he started watching them...he probably snuck around peeping in windows a bit,maybe stealing clothes he'd seen them previously wearing off the line and going home and fantasizing. ..after a bit the fantasies werent enough so he started breaking in and attacking women. 
That got too risky as he wasn't entirely in control of what happens in their homes so he starts abducting off the streets and taking them to isolated areas he already knows well.
His first murder may not have even been intentional-just got too rough or perhaps the victim was not cooperative enough...then he just kept killing after that. No witnesses left behind to tell anything to anyone...plus it was the ultimate power and control over anyone a person can have.

I think theres too many coincidences with JR and CGs disappearances for him not to have been involved with SS. 
I'm guessing he put more effort in to hiding her as it was probably his first murder and maybe not even his intention to kill that night. After he wasn't caught for that, he didnt put as much effort in to hiding his victims. 
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04-01-2017 12.03 am

JoeDetective 

I want to go back to the most ridiculous thing I think I have read on here, someone said SvD was going to work pro bono on this case. 
Nobody really believes that, do they?

 

0401-2017 12.15 am

CP345 

 Originally Posted by JoeDetective 

I want to go back to the most ridiculous thing I think I have read on here, someone said SvD was going to work pro bono on this case. 
Nobody really believes that, do they?

Don't know but if the evidence in court makes BE look as guilty as sin and this guy gets him off on a technicality he'll need plenty of money for security!

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10 P.11

 

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10/page11

 

petedavo.au 

 Originally Posted by JoeDetective 

I want to go back to the most ridiculous thing I think I have read on here, someone said SvD was going to work pro bono on this case. 
Nobody really believes that, do they?

Why would he? He doesn't need to advertise for briefs by doing anything pro bono. And discussing it is probably an exercise in irrelevance, except for satisfying the gossips.

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Dragun 

You know when I saw the first pic of BE my first thought was that he could have been a very good looking young man - tall, dark and handsome as they say. 
Then I got to thinking he's some kind of flawed character that has to blitz girls to get them into his car. 
But it has just come to me that he was charming enough to 'marry' twice. We all talk about "he was married at that time" or "his wife might have said.." but think about all the effort it takes to meet a woman, go out with her, get engaged and marry, buy a house together, get her to trust you enough to bring up her child... I'm starting to think he must have been Prince Charming!

And I think we are forgetting why the girls were out... to meet boys!!! Not specifically like I'm going out tonight to meet the man of my dreams but more like there's that cute guy again, he was here last week, oh he's smiling at me, maybe he's the one, I hope I see him next week, he might ask me out…

 

04-01-2017

MissUnderstood  Originally Posted by Moustachio 

“Agree. I doubt any self-respecting serial killer would abduct his victims using a work car, with 'Telecom' on the side, and which was GPS'd.
Also, I don't buy the 'mastermind' theme of the CSK: To have 2/3 (at least) bodies actually discovered, in a State like WA, is either laziness or hastiness. This was not thought through. Probability is that it was a fairly spontaneous thing -he hadn't.t thought through what he was going to do after. It was primarily a sex attack, and the victims were murdered to obviate identification ...

That's what I think also. Obviously classed as a serial killer but I don't think he has any of those crazy psychological traits, I don't think where the bodies were dumped means anything. I think he took the girls to rape them and killing them was just a means to not get caught. Just my opinion. 
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The Weaver 

 Originally Posted by JoeDetective 

“I want to go back to the most ridiculous thing I think I have read on here, someone said SvD was going to work pro bono on this case. 
Nobody really believes that, do they?”

It wouldn't be the first time that's happened in a high profile matter, but there is no need to. A Legal Aid Grant will be negotiated which will be satisfactory to all Parties. Anything less than reasonably funded Defence opens doors to possible Appeals. Don't be surprised if BRE sacks a D

 

 

SN76 

 Originally Posted by Dragun 

“You know when I saw the first pic of BE my first thought was that he could have been a very good looking young man - tall, dark and handsome as they say. 
Then I got to thinking he's some kind of flawed character that has to blitz girls to get them into his car. 
But it has just come to me that he was charming enough to 'marry' twice. We all talk about "he was married at that time" or "his wife might have said.." but think about all the effort it takes to meet a woman, go out with her, get engaged and marry, buy a house together, get her to trust you enough to bring up her child... I'm starting to think he must have been Prince Charming!
And I think we are forgetting why the girls were out... to meet boys!!! Not specifically like I'm going out tonight to meet the man of my dreams but more like there's that cute guy again, he was here last week, oh he's smiling at me, maybe he's the one, I hope I see him next week, he might ask me out...”

Totally agree here...take 20 years off him, he would have been my type back then when I was 20 and going out and single.... throw some charm in...and it's actually quite scary knowing how "normal" he looks….

 

 

JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by SherlockSleuth 

This theory, and similar versions of it, have been well explored in earlier versions of this thread. 

I'm not a big fan of it, even though it sounds quite plausible. In at least one of the abductions, the victim actually did make a call, from a pay phone, to a taxi which turned up 8 minutes later to collect her. But she'd vanished. 

I think risking being seen like that would have been too much for him. There were places to hide for a blitz, and other ways to coerce one into a vehicle, rather than posing as being 'on the job'. If a work mate had seen him, would have been game over. Just my opinion.

EDIT: I think the theory you mention could have worked in a more remote location, but not for the girls who were abducted so shortly after leaving CBV.

If you have called a taxi and you are a nice sweet girl like SS was, you wait for it I think. You don’t take a lift, makes me think blitz.

 

SN76 

Also..... maybe he was so charming that no blitz was necessary? Maybe the girls did recognise him from previous nights out...He knew the right things to say and they were putty in his hands and willingly got in the car.... maybe it was just a simple pick up with no blitz Involved. ?.

04-01-2017

JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by petedavo.au 

Why would he? He doesn't need to advertise for briefs by doing anything pro bono. And discussing it is probably an exercise in irrelevance, except for satisfying the gossips.

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I've spoken to three separate senior lawyers in Perth, who all told me the only reason people would be saying this is to assist in BRE’s appearance of innocence. 
They laughed when I suggested someone had said they were going to defend him for free.

04-01-2017

 JoeDetective 

 Originally Posted by Moustachio 

Agree.

As to the suggestion they have had BE on their list of possible suspects, I doubt it because according to the reports they have spoken with EE 'several times' THIS WEEK past. I would have thought if BE was on their list they would already have asked his wife at the time his whereabouts on the nights the victims disappeared.
And if so, not a very encouraging indication that WAPOL have improved.

Now this is evidence based assumption, so its much more likely to be correct, assuming BRE was on the radar they either had no Idea about EE until people starting digging around(scary but possible based on past mistakes) or really he has only been on the radar for a short period of time i.e. 12 months max.

petedavo.au 

Someone might want to go to 3rd floor of the State Library and look for a weekly newspaper called "This week : the weekly newspaper for Telstra staff in Western Australia" that ran from 1993 to 1994

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CP345 

 Originally Posted by JoeDetective 

Now this is evidence based assumption, so its much more likely to be correct, assuming BRE was on the radar they either had no Idea about EE until people starting digging around(scary but possible based on past mistakes) or really he has only been on the radar for a short period of time i.e. 12 months max.

I think they knew about her but to speak to her any earlier than the arrest would have meant BE was likely to get advance warning they were on to him. I think they wanted to take him by surprise.

Grok 

Could I make a suggestion to the posters of this forum...
Don't quote people when the quote is bloody huge...It makes for horrible reading. 
Instead start with their user name and bold it if you must...

mandy.maree 

 Originally Posted by JoeDetective 

If you have called a taxi and you are a nice sweet girl like SS was, you wait for it I think. You don’t take a lift, makes me think blitz.

Agreed.
I think SS and CG were blitz attacks. JR may well have willingly left with CSK.
Also read no evidence of sexual assault with CG which I thought had to be nonsense at the time...could have been true though. CG was more aware the streets were dangerous due to the previous disappearances and would have put up a hell of a fight when she was ambushed. CSK may have got quite angered by this and might have had to shut her up quick. 
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jam sandwich 

 Originally Posted by Moustachio 

Agree.
As to the suggestion they have had BE on their list of possible suspects, I doubt it because according to the reports they have spoken with EE 'several times' THIS WEEK past. I would have thought if BE was on their list they would already have asked his wife at the time his whereabouts on the nights the victims disappeared.
And if so, not a very encouraging indication that WAPOL have improved.

I was referring to being a suspect in the 1988 case. He wasn't with EE then and they had already separated when they connected DNA evidence from this to 1995 and CG so wouldn't be speaking to EE about this.

 

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Claremont serial killer case- new clues emerge

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/claremont-serial-killer-case-new-clues-on-murderers-car-20151204-glfnot.html

Cop zapped for cavalier use of taser - Subiaco POST  - 17th December, 2016

By BRET CHRISTIAN

A taser stun-gun fi res two barbs into the skin from a distance of up to 20 metres. The barbs are connected by thin wires to a high-voltage, low amperage power source that synchronises with the pulses of the central nervous system, the ultimate controller of a body’s muscles, causing the muscles to contract uncontrollably and for the body to collapse. Head injuries from the collapse and heart attacks have been attributed to taser use.

Judge Davis made findings against Officer Clark and Traynor for malice in Essex Street and at Fremantle Police Station;

against Offi cer Clark for malicious prosecution;

against Offi cer Traynor for battery, and of malice

and

malfeasance in public offi ce against Mr Caldwell for the tasering. She found against the state of WA for false imprisonment for the whole of the time after Dr Cunningham was grabbed by police.

 Judge Davis said D r Cunningham was concerned to “seek justice”. “The outcome that he sought was initially an apology from the police and to have the criminal charges dropped,” she said. “When that did not happen he sought an acknowledgement that a mistake had been made and that things had gone wrong, but he did not receive that.”

David Baker  - DECEMBER 5, 2015

New clues in the Claremont serial killings appear to have emerged - detailing the type of car driven by the murderer.

Police have established a crime scene at a home in Kewdale, with reports connecting it to the Claremont serial killer. 

According to The Subiaco Post, police believe the killer used a mid-1990s white Holden Commodore VS series 1 to abduct and kill at least two of his victims.

They have linked fibres found on Jane Rimmer's body to the upholstery of a car matching that description.

The newspaper also reports the killer had some link to screen-printing and had a way of "printing coloured words and patterns on fabric such as T-shirts". 

After years of apparent inaction on the unsolved case, these are the latest clues to be revealed by the Post, which identified a link between the killer and the rape of a woman in Karrakatta Cemetery in October.

Home sold after Ciara abducted - Subiaco POST  - 31st December, 2016

By DAVID COHEN

The man accused of murdering Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon sold his Huntingdale home two weeks after Ms Glennon was abducted from Claremont. Bradley Robert Edwards (48) bought a home in Huntingdale’s Fountain Way three years after he allegedly indecently assaulted an 18-year-old woman in the south-eastern suburb. Mr Edwards and Esiuw Culhane sold the Fountain Way property on April 2, 1997, the day before Ms Glennon’s body was discovered in Eglinton. Mr Edwards and his defacto wife Catherine Geneste then bought a fi bro home in Kewdale’s Acton Avenue in July 2000. Police broke down the door early on Thursday, December 22. After 21 hours Mr Edwards was charged with two counts of wilful murder, two of deprivation of liberty, two of aggravated sexual penetration without consent, one of break and enter dwelling with intent, and one of indecent assault.

 Mr Edwards, a Telstra operations manager, said “yes” when asked to confi rm his name by magistrate Evan Shackleton on Friday, December 23 in the Perth Magistrates Court. Mr Edwards, in a red collared shirt with black trim and dark hair parted from the right, appeared calm when barrister Sam Vandongen said his client understood what he was charged with. Police allege Mr Edwards abducted Ms Rimmer from Claremont on June 9, 1996: her body was discovered in Wellard on August 3. It’s also alleged Mr Edwards abducted a 17-year-old girl from Claremont’s Rowe Park on February 12, 1995, forced her into a car, and then sexually assaulted her at Karrakatta Cemetery. Mr Edwards is alleged to have broken into the Huntingdale home on February 15, 1988, and attacked the 18-year-old in her bedroom as she slept. Police said investigations into the disappearance from Claremont and suspected murder of Sarah Spiers in January 1996 were ongoing. “There is still much work to be done … we never give up,” Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan said. Mr Edwards did not apply for bail and is next due in court on January 25.

Weygers deserves apology- Barker

Claremont mayor Jock Barker says his predecessor Peter Weygers deserves a public apology from WA Police and perhaps compensation. Mr Barker said the many Claremont residents he had spoken to since Bradley Robert Edwards was charged with the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon had expressed relief. “The people I feel most for are the families of the girls who disappeared,” Mr Barker said. “There is a sense of relief someone has been charged. “But the judicial process has a long way to go.” Mr Barker, who has been Claremont mayor for seven years, said he worried about his daughters being out in the town at night after the murders. “You’d be concerned if they went to get takeaway,” he said. “It tainted Claremont.” Mr Barker said people leaving flowers at the Claremont Hotel was a wonderful gesture. “A lot’s been lifted from people’s minds,” he said. “The police should be complimented.” But Mr Barker said Mr Weygers, who was Claremont mayor during the murders, deserved a public apology at least. “Anybody wrongly accused, and it going on for years, there is perhaps a case for compensation or at least a public apology,” he said.

Early clues missed -  Subiaco POST  - 31st December, 2016

By BRET CHRISTIAN

Detectives missed three early opportunities that could have led them to the Claremont serial killer in the 1990s. The fi rst was clues left on the driver’s licence of a 17-year-old girl abducted and raped in 1995. The second was when car upholstery samples recovered from the body of Jane Rimmer were sent to the wrong department of the Chemistry Centre in 1996; and the third was a vital clue missed in forensic examination of the body of Ciara Glennon in 1997. The 17-year-old was abducted from Claremont’s Rowe Park, in February 1995, opposite the Showgrounds subway, taken to Karrakatta Cemetery and raped.

The teenager, who had left Claremont’s Club Bay View and was walking to a friend’s house after midnight, survived. Her attacker had handled her driver’s licence. A young girl who lived locally found it discarded in the park soon after the attack. Some detectives investigating the Claremont murders believe the licence would have yielded the fingerprints and DNA of the attacker had they been able to preserve it early. The girl who found the licence told her older sister but police were not informed at the time. That abduction and sexual assault were investigated by the Claremont Criminal Investigation Branch and the Sex Assault Squad. It was written off as unsolved after six weeks. It was not until more than a year later that the Rowe Park incident was re-investigated, this time by the Macro Task force set up to investigate the disappearance of Sarah Spiers in January 1996 and Jane Rimmer in July the same year.

 The Macro detectives did something that the Claremont CIB did not. They door-knocked the houses surrounding Rowe Park, and the victim’s driver’s licence was handed to them. In the meantime, friends of the victim said she was distressed because she worried that her attacker may have kept her licence which contained her name and address. But while some Macro offi cers thought there was an obvious link between the Rowe Park crime and the later abductions, senior Macro offi cers discounted any link. They said repeatedly that it was a “different MO” [modus operandi]. This was at the time when no bodies had been recovered, so it is hard to see how an MO could be determined. They believed that the “serial killer” victims must have got willingly into a car, perhaps a taxi or a vehicle driven by a person in authority such as a police offi cer.

 The Rowe Park incident was allegedly a “blitz attack”, with the teen disabled and forced into a vehicle. Senior Macro officers became convinced that they had their man in Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams. He has now been absolutely eliminated by DNA. The Rowe Park attack was again filed as unsolved until 2008. Claremont CIB no longer exists.

Its culture in the early 1990s became the focus of harsh criticism by the 2004 Kennedy Royal Commission into police corruption, Commissioner Kennedy describing the actions of some offi cers there as “distressing”. A second opportunity was missed when car upholstery samples recovered with adhesive tape from the body of Jane Rimmer were sent to the wrong department of the Chemistry Centre in 1996. Macro assumed that the samples had been lost, although the Schramm external review said that the fibres were likely to vital clues if tested (POST December 11, 2004). The samples were not found until the Chem Centre moved to Bentley in 2011.

Tests then revealed breakthrough clues about a motor vehicle. Another blunder concerned forensic examination of the body of Ciara Glennon, found at Eglinton north of Perth two weeks after she disappeared from Claremont in March 1997. A critical item from her body was overlooked at the time and not tested until years after the Schramm review of 2004, an international and interstate external review forced on local police after the broadcast of He Who Waits, an episode of the ABC’s Australian Story.

The item from Ciara Glennon was then taken to the United Kingdom for testing, these tests revealing the breakthrough clue. Despite the Schramm review identifying numerous promising forensic opportunities, some reluctant senior police kept insisting that the Claremont murders were the work of the man they referred to as LKW – Lance Kenneth Williams.

The investigation into the Claremont murders was winding down and in danger of being shelved in 2015. The POST revealed in October and November some of the breakthrough links that had so far not led to an arrest. Renewed interest in the murders led to more resources and expert personnel being thrown at the case that gripped the nation over Christmas.

Cop zapped for cavalier use of taser - Subiaco POST  - 17th December, 2016

By BRET CHRISTIAN

A taser stun-gun fi res two barbs into the skin from a distance of up to 20 metres. The barbs are connected by thin wires to a high-voltage, low amperage power source that synchronises with the pulses of the central nervous system, the ultimate controller of a body’s muscles, causing the muscles to contract uncontrollably and for the body to collapse. Head injuries from the collapse and heart attacks have been attributed to taser use.

Local police are agog at the highly negative court fi ndings against three police offi cers who were sued by an innocent tasered couple. Judge Felicity Davis recounted graphic evidence, saying one of the offi cers, Glenn Alexander Caldwell, had tasered UWA professor Robert Cunningham while he was being held by two other offi cers. “His tasering was unnecessary and he did not need to be subdued,” she wrote in her detailed 241-page District Court decision. She made fi ndings of malice against the three offi cers and against the state of WA for false imprisonment, awarding the couple a total of more than $1million in damages. “Mr Caldwell has also demonstrated …. an attitude that anyone who is being dealt with by his fellow offi cers on a Saturday night is a ‘fucker’ and should be tasered, without questions being asked fi rst and without regard to police policy on the use of tasers,” Judge Davis wrote in her judgment. A taser is a police stun-gun that administers a severe electric shock, in this case causing Dr Cunningham and his partner, Catherine Atoms, to collapse on to Fremantle’s Essex Street. The couple took eight years to get a resolution after they were charged in 2008. That night, they had been passing The Esplande Hotel after celebrating Dr Cunningham’s birthday. Judge Davis found that the imprisonment of Ms Atoms and Dr Cunningham had been neither lawful nor justifi ed. “They should never have been detained, arrested or tasered and they should never have been charged,” she said. All charges were thrown out by the Magistrates’ Court in 2010. “The fi ndings I have made in relation to the tasering of each of the plaintiffs lead me to conclude that at the time Mr Caldwell tasered each of them, he was tasering as a means of compliance rather than as a means of offi cer safety. “The use of the taser was neither reasonable nor appropriate.” “Mr Caldwell’s evidence that he said ‘zap that fucker’, along with the evidence I heard about the 12 previous occasions he had used a taser before this night … demonstrate that he is the kind of person who would taser fi rst and ask questions later and that he had no regard for police policy for the use of tasers.” Judge Davis also rejected the evidence of offi cers Simon Traynor and Peter James Clark that Ms Atoms had sworn at them after she and Dr Cunningham had attempted to rescue one of three “drunks” who were skylarking in a garden outside Fremantle’s Esplanade Hotel. Police had assumed that Dr Cunningham and Ms Atoms, who were not intoxicated, were part of the “drunks” group when in fact they had been helping one of the men who had become stuck in the bushes. The police gave evidence that Ms Atoms had sworn at Offi cer Traynor saying “Haven’t you got anything better to fucking do? Go and arrest some proper criminals.” “Offi cer Traynor’s evidence about this is inconsistent with the CCTV footage and implausible,” Judge Davis said. “I am unable to accept the evidence of Offi cer Traynor and I strongly suspect that Offi cer Traynor has gratuitously and wrongly attributed swearing behaviour to Ms Atoms. “I reject the evidence of Officer Traynor and Officer Clark and I prefer the evidence of Ms Atoms. “I fi nd that her evidence is both supported by the CCTV footage and inherently probable. “Ms Atoms did not use the words. Nor was she being argumentative – she was entitled to respectfully assert her innocence.” She found Ms Atoms was calm and composed, a view reinforced by the judge’s second-by-second analysis of CCTV footage. “I am satisfi ed that she was not angry or aggressive when she spoke to Offi cer Traynor,” she said.

“On my view of the evidence the only probable inference is that the two offi cers’ decision was motivated by the fact that she had spoken up and asserted her innocence. “Both offi cers [Traynor and Clark] seemed to be of the view that a person like Ms Atoms should not be disagreeing with them. “As Offi cer Traynor said, she ‘continued to argue as if she knew better and as if she was above the law’. “In fact, she did know better and she had not broken the law. “He perceived Ms Atoms to be challenging his authority and judgment.” Dr Cunningham had walked up to the police and asked in a non-aggressive way if his partner was being arrested or issued with a move-on notice. “The picture [Offi cer Clark] was painting was a false one of an angry, aggressive and argumentative Ms Atoms who swore at the police, and an interfering Dr Cunningham who grabbed Ms Atoms, allegedly to pull her away from police,” Judge Davis said. “It was a very different picture from that which the CCTV footage actually shows. “I am satisfied that Officer Clark fabricated the parts of the statement of material facts [about the behaviour of the couple outside the hotel]. “As to the other facts, he must have known them to be false or at the very least he was reckless and wilfully tendentious.” She said Dr Cunningham’s arrival and inquiry irritated and annoyed the two offi cers further. “In their mindset, they perceived Dr Cunningham’s lawful, reasonable inquiry to be unlawful and unreasonable – another person questioning their authority.

“There was no justification for the arrest of Dr Cunningham and his arrest [and everything which followed from his arrest] was unlawful.”

Offi cer Caldwell arrived later after Dr Cunningham had been manhandled to the middle of Essex Street. Dr Cunningham had been handcuffed with his hands behind his back while an offi cer kneed him repeatedly in the thigh, the judge said.

Dr Cunningham said he had feared falling fl at on his face and smashing his glasses into his eyes because he would be unable to break his fall with his hands. “The police had wrongly arrested Dr Cunningham and Ms Atoms was entitled to go to his aid,” Judge Davis said. Ms Atoms had been standing close to the back of an officer, not jumping on his back as Offi cer Caldwell had said in evidence, she said. “By this stage both offi cers had really lost control of the situation, through no fault of anyone except themselves,” she said. Ms Atoms was calling out “don’t shoot, don’t shoot” before her partner was tasered, and screamed loudly in pain, collapsed and was unable to move after she had been tasered.

Dr Cunningham said he thought Ms Atoms was dead. He gave evidence that he saw two police offi cers, both young, one female with blonde hair and another male offi cer, both smiling and laughing and ‘looking upon the scene’, Judge Davis said. Judge Davis said of the of ficer who shot the taser, Offi cer Caldwell: “There is also a real issue about his honesty and whether I can rely upon any of the evidence he gave during the trial. “He has a proven propensity to lie and a disrespect for the work of tribunals and a cavalier tendency to give both inaccurate and self-serving accounts of events.” Mr Caldwell had given the court his police history, claiming to have been promoted to sergeant in 2008.

 But he had been an acting sergeant and had held the rank of senior constable when he retired in 2013. “The 12-month period he spent at Crime Stoppers was part of the outcome imposed on Mr Caldwell by a police disciplinary tribunal for wilfully making a false statement, which he explained related to giving false evidence in the magistrates’ court. “He has displayed a range of disrespectful and, in my view, malicious attitudes. “He considered the Police Tribunal a ‘kangaroo court’; he ignored the sanctions imposed by the Tribunal; he was cavalier and inaccurate when completing the Use of Force Report after the tasering.” “Mr Caldwell had been the subject of other disciplinary proceedings including where he was found guilty of charges of conduct unbecoming and use of unnecessary force.” She added: “In all of the circumstances, I am satisfied that Offi cer Clark acted maliciously in initiating and maintaining the criminal charges against the plaintiffs {Dr Cunningham and Ms Atoms] and that he did not honestly believe the case which he instituted and maintained.” She said Officer Traynor’s evidence about the arrest “is in my view a post-event reconstruction, manufactured to justify his arrest of Dr Cunningham. “They should have spoken to him, but did not speak to him. “In my view Offi cer Traynor’s and Clark’s treatment and use of force against Dr Cunningham in pulling his arms behind his back and proceeding to handcuff him was excessive and disproportionate.” She said he had been kicked numerous times in the thigh.

Judge Davis made findings against Officer Clark and Traynor for malice in Essex Street and at Fremantle Police Station;

against Offi cer Clark for malicious prosecution;

against Offi cer Traynor for battery, and of malice

and

malfeasance in public offi ce against Mr Caldwell for the tasering. She found against the state of WA for false imprisonment for the whole of the time after Dr Cunningham was grabbed by police.

 Judge Davis said D r Cunningham was concerned to “seek justice”. “The outcome that he sought was initially an apology from the police and to have the criminal charges dropped,” she said. “When that did not happen he sought an acknowledgement that a mistake had been made and that things had gone wrong, but he did not receive that.”

Dr Cunningham has been reported as saying that he and Ms Atoms had tried every avenue other than the courts to seek redress, but without success. He said less privileged people could be subject to such treatment on a regular basis, and would lose faith in the justice system. The pair had risked being awarded massive legal costs against police and the state if their court claim failed.

Claremont serial killer case- new clues emerge

David Baker - 5 Dec 2015,

http://www.busseltonmail.com.au/story/3538648/claremont-serial-killer-case-new-clues-emerge/?cs=7

• Claremont killer: Police investigate 1995 rape lead

New clues in the Claremont serial killings appear to have emerged - detailing the type of car driven by the murderer.

According to The Subiaco Post, police believe the killer used a mid-1990s white Holden Commodore VS series 1 to abduct and kill at least two of his victims.

They have linked fibres found on Jane Rimmer's body to the upholstery of a car matching that description.

The newspaper also reports the killer had some link to screen-printing and had a way of "printing coloured words and patterns on fabric such as T-shirts".

After years of apparent inaction on the unsolved case, these are the latest clues to be revealed by the Post, which identified a link between the killer and the rape of a woman in Karrakatta Cemetery in October.

The paper said police have forensic evidence linking Ciara Glennon's killer with a rapist who abducted a 17-year-old woman from a Claremont street then raped her in the cemetery back in 1995.

The young woman had left Club Bay View shortly after midnight and was walking to a friend's house when she was abducted, taken to the cemetery, raped and released.

The Post also reports that new evidence shows this victim was tied up with washing line, not telephone wire as previously reported, and that the line was "impregnated with material used in screen printing".

Sarah Spiers, 18, went missing from outside a Claremont nightclub in January 1996; Ms Rimmer, 23, was abducted from Claremont in June 1996 and her body found in bushland south of Perth that August.

Ms Glennon, 27, disappeared in March 1997. Her body was found in bushland north of Perth 19 days after she was last seen in Claremont.

The Post reported that police, who said at the time the Karrakatta attack was not linked, had now changed their view after finding a forensic link in 2009 and a 12-member squad was working on the case.

WA Police issued a statement that seemed to indicate the revelations were true and important to their overall investigation.

"Maintaining the operational integrity of the Macro investigation is paramount if WA Police is to bring the offender, or offenders, to justice," it said.

"Therefore operational outcomes must be prioritised over media and public interest.

"Media reports on an active investigation can seriously jeopardise the investigation and negatively impact future prosecutions. To protect the ongoing investigation WA Police is not in a position to make any further comment.

"We are mindful of the public interest in this matter, however we need to balance this with the interests of the investigation."